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Post by Shiryu on Aug 27, 2008 17:52:35 GMT -5
I didn't know anything about this book until I read it here, and I wish things had stayed that way -_- Ok, Hulk had to win, but even setting aside all the powers that Thor has (and doesn't use here), the no gravity trick was just ridicolous. And I'm pretty certain I have seen the hammer working in space before!
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Post by Shiryu on Aug 27, 2008 17:50:14 GMT -5
Am I the only one who, up until 5 minutes ago, didn't know that Final Crisis had actually started? To answer the original question, yes they probably are overlapping too much. However I think the problem is not the event itself, but months of books leading to it. For example, for months New Avengers has mostly been about the upcoming S.I., which meant that little happened in that book concerning the Avengers themselves, other then the Hood arc and a couple of fights with the MA. Now we have SI until the end of the year, and every issue is SI related, then we'll probably have 2 or 3 months break followed by the build up for the next event. These build ups mean that the event essentially lasts for over a year in some books, and that's where the overlapping becomes excessive. I wouldn't mind a series of consecutive events as long as they were mostly taking place in their own books with just occasional references and tie-ins, but the way things are it looks like Civil War, WWH and SI are the one and only thing happening in the books of te MU that I follow.
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Post by Shiryu on Aug 27, 2008 17:35:34 GMT -5
I too would rather have Sue than Reed. But funny enough, I actually did like having the two of them around. Wouldn't want it for too long, but for a dozen or so issues would have been ok. They could bring some interesting new thematics, like the clash for leadership between Reed and Cap, or how different the Avengers and FF approach to enemies can be.
However his stint was just too short, and he behaved a bit like a jerk in that time, so just 2.
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Post by Shiryu on Aug 27, 2008 17:32:09 GMT -5
Just like the Thing, this is tricky, because in everyone's mind she is, and will always be, a FF member.
Now, say we are talking about the Invisible Woman with all her powers and personality but no FF history, she would easily be a 7 for me. Charismatic, good powers with many different uses, good looking enough to potentially attract Clint or Herc etc.
But the way things are, 3 is the maximum I can give.
Incidentally, I would have liked to see her interacting with the other women of the team. In the FF she is almost always the only one, and being often used as a support character for Reed, rather then as a complete one, doesn't help.
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Post by Shiryu on Aug 27, 2008 17:25:59 GMT -5
1 This is one character I could never stand, in any apparition, book or issue. I'd much rather have Dr Druid around than him!
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Post by Shiryu on Aug 27, 2008 17:23:58 GMT -5
3 I liked the way she was used in Volume 3, to discuss mortality and immortality with Thor, and I think she had some important role in WCA too. However, as powers go, I like other characters much more. Both the Original Human Torch and Firestar would be better choices for me in terms of flame guy/gal around.
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Post by Shiryu on Aug 27, 2008 17:21:37 GMT -5
A belated happy birthday, W!! Sorry for being over a week late
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Post by Shiryu on Aug 27, 2008 17:18:28 GMT -5
I've updated with most of the new ones, leaving out only the most recent polls opened in the past few days for the moment. Most interesting for me is seeing Mockingbird sharing the same place with Black Panther, who has been around almost since the beginning And here is a summary in a different format 8: Thor, Iron Man, Cap 7.5: Vision 7: Wasp, Hawkeye, Hank Pym So far, in a standard 7 members line-up, they would be the only active roster 6:Scarlet, Wonder Man, Beast, She-Hulk, Photon 5:Hercules, Black Knight, Ms. Marvel, Namor I suppose these 9 would be the reserve roster 4:Quicksilver, Black Panther, Starfox, Mockingbird 3.5:Thing 3: Swordsman, Black Widow 2.5:Jocasta 2:Tigra, Falcon, Hellcat, War Machine And finally the hall of shame: 1:Hulk, Mantis, Moondragon, Whizzer, Two-Gun Kid, Dr. Druid, Mar-Vell, Moon Knight, Marrina, Yellowjacker 2, Demolation Man, Gilgamesh Interestingly, this is also the largest group. Looking forward to see how/if this rosters will change with the future polls.
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Post by Shiryu on Aug 27, 2008 17:10:40 GMT -5
A 2 for me. Not only was he on board for a very brief time but he never displayed much on the way of a personality as well. Still, he could have been very useful since he wasn't limited, like Herc or Wondy, to being just an extremely strong superhuman but, rather like Thor, he had many other ablities. You pretty much summarized my feelings for him too. In a better line-up he would have had potential, but he stayed for too short a period and in a very unpopular roster. His silly death didn't help either.
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Post by Shiryu on Aug 27, 2008 17:08:20 GMT -5
1 I like the character, but he doesn't seem to have any skill that would put him in the Avengers for me. He probably works better as a Cap character.
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Post by Shiryu on Aug 27, 2008 17:07:12 GMT -5
2, for potential. A villain turned hero can always work if properly used. Pity she was killed before being given the chance to shine...
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Post by Shiryu on Aug 27, 2008 17:04:34 GMT -5
2 I haven't read a single issue of his book, I'm still to read his WCA apperances and I know almost nothing about the character. But I like the Egyptian background and the costume ;D He kind of looks like a reserve Black Panther in a way.
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Post by Shiryu on Aug 9, 2008 15:44:14 GMT -5
I'm surprised that no one has commented on the movie here. I haven't seen it yet, but everyone said marvels on Dark Knight. Who's seen it here? Comments?
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Post by Shiryu on Aug 8, 2008 16:02:02 GMT -5
Maybe this Thor will actually be more like a viking god, and less like a melancholy lump. There is a lot of viking god Thor in "Thor - Reign of Blood", but it wasn't necessary a good thing. Being used to hero Thor, seeing him spitting at Loki or killing some humans in a fit of rage wasn't the best for me, even if it is mythologically true.
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Post by Shiryu on Aug 8, 2008 15:58:35 GMT -5
I actually really liked this book ^^ Especially the Namor bits, definitely wouldn't call it boring.
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Post by Shiryu on Aug 8, 2008 15:57:37 GMT -5
I'm here too Sorry for not being around much lately, something new popped out and I basically have to write a book by the 18th, but after that I should be around more regularly hopefully ^^
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Post by Shiryu on Jul 30, 2008 19:11:40 GMT -5
3 At the beginning, he wasn't that bad. He helped the team on Avalon, saved them during the Under Siege storyline and held his own against the Gods on the Olympus, which is quite something. Magic is something the Avengers often miss, and being not nearly as powerful as Doc Strange, Druid wasn't too difficult to handle for the writers.
The problem is that the moment Stern left the book, he immediately went downhill, going from somewhat egocentric to truly insufferable, and never was given a chance to redeem himself.
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Post by Shiryu on Jul 30, 2008 19:06:08 GMT -5
5, I'm a sucker for inter-team memberships ;D Clearly, this is just a vote on his potential as an Avenger, but I think that Reed is the only FF who couldn't really fit in an Avengers team, the other 3 would do pretty well. They would have different dynamics compared to the usual ones, but still do well.
As for Ben, it's not just the strenght, but also the experience he has which would benefit every Avenger's team.
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Post by Shiryu on Jul 30, 2008 19:02:12 GMT -5
The problem with Namor is that his behaviour changes a lot depending on who writes him. It's not just being a jerk, sometimes it's almost like he has different personalities altogether.
I liked him a lot in Stern's run, and for that I give him a 5. He was much like Hercules, short tempered and ready for hungry outbursts, but also willing to listen and to follow the orders, or to have heart to heart conversations with Cap. There is a scene, around the time of Secret Wars II, where he is arguing with Hercules as usual. Captain Marvel (Rambeau) zaps them apart, then orders him to do something (lifting the Quinjet I think). He says "You are humbling me" and she replies "You are humbling yourself", then he admits she is right.
So, this Namor would be a great Avenger, perhaps one of the greatest. However, this is counter balanced by the villainous Namor often seen at times, like in Emperor Doom, and by the unreasonable Namor who is only good at arguing. This version could never really fit.
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Post by Shiryu on Jul 30, 2008 18:53:57 GMT -5
Also, at the time of her first tenure with the team, she had just obtained her powers, as shown in an ASM annual I think, so it was fair she wasn't very experienced. Now however she has had them for years, so it's a different matter.
I especially remember how long she considered if revealing her true identity to the rest of the team or not, it felt very reasonable at the time.
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Post by Shiryu on Jul 30, 2008 18:50:45 GMT -5
Hope I don't get fired for trying this again and again! Gh! ;D Glad you are enjoying it. Keep trying (best if at home ^^)
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Post by Shiryu on Jul 30, 2008 18:48:06 GMT -5
I find that the Avengers have a tendency to let members who haven't been been around long just disappear with their problems go "Oh well, don't worry about them. As long as we have a full line up who cares?" That's pretty true. They do ignore their rule about private life of the members much more when the involved members are old friends, like Cap and Wasp for Tony, but if it's somebody new they seem somewhat less interested. Then again, I suppose it's the difference between having friends and having colleagues...
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Post by Shiryu on Jul 30, 2008 18:43:57 GMT -5
I almost wish there could be a way for the Mockingbird which appeared in SE to be the real McCoy. That way I could truly and sincerely say that BMB finally did something right by my book, but I realize that this couldn't be so without violating certain aspects of the current continuity. I suppose it could be argued that if a Skrull has all her memories, her personality, and truly believes to be her, she kind of would be back in a way
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Post by Shiryu on Jul 30, 2008 18:41:19 GMT -5
I highly recommend "The Death of Captain Marvel". It is a strong story, which never fails to make me a bit teary when I read it. Seeing Mar-vell slowly fade away as the cancer kills him is really hard. Starlin was brought in by Marvel to kill the character off and came up with a number of plots where he would die heroically in battle. But none of them worked for him. His own father had passed away from cancer 6 months earlier, and so he decided to use his experience with his father's death to write the story. It is a very honest and moving story, and (especially at that time) very different from most comics. I quote every word, that graphic novel is a masterpiece
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Post by Shiryu on Jul 30, 2008 18:39:42 GMT -5
I don't think he saved everyone For one thing, only a couple of Avengers went to that mission, and in the end Thor saved him if I remember well. One of my favourite scenes with him is when Cap tells him off for being 2 minutes late to a training session. In a way, it showed how serious being an Avenger is.
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Post by Shiryu on Jul 30, 2008 18:36:28 GMT -5
1 for me too. I don't mind her as a character, and I even like her as Namor's wife, but she doesn't feel like an Avenger. In fact, the very presence of Namor in the team made her redundant since he can do everything she can, and better.
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Post by Shiryu on Jul 30, 2008 18:33:48 GMT -5
Welcome in forum then, badgermaniac
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Post by Shiryu on Jul 25, 2008 9:41:48 GMT -5
Yay! More Sentinels!! Short is better than nothing! I'll be reading it this evening
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Post by Shiryu on Jul 25, 2008 9:37:02 GMT -5
We have seen a lot of beautiful covers in other threads, usually corresponding to great or at least good stories inside. But which covers do you remember being very excited about, only to discover they were leading to a pretty bad issue? In other words, this is not a topic for bad covers per se, but for good covers for disappointing stories
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Post by Shiryu on Jul 25, 2008 9:35:15 GMT -5
Edited with Two Gun Kid, Jocasta, Tigra, She Hulk, Baron Zemo I and villainous Hulk. Also edited Mantis' vote from 2 to 1.
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