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Post by Marvel Boy on Nov 12, 2012 23:44:41 GMT -5
Hickman is indeed worrisome, as his tenure on FF is what led me to finally drop that title. Really? Would you elaborate further? I've always heard that Hickman has had the best FF run since Byrne but that he tended to have multiple plot lines that somehow or another managed to play out to a close by the end. We've already seen another attempt at solving a similar population-explosion problem when the number of Mutants & X-Folks in the MU grew beyond all reason and practicality as Marvel continuously milked that cash-cow during that genre's decades of wild popularity. Twice, in fact. First, they KILLED a ton of them with. . .the Legacy virus, was it? And then a bit later, didn't Marvel strip all but about 100 or so Mutants of their powers? Wasn't that a result of the House of M thingy? (Again, didn't buy it.). Personally, I think both of those methods are dreadful ways of dealing with a cumbersome population of characters. Slash & burn/Pyrhic solutions. If nothing else, just let all of the unused, unneeded heroes drift out of any spotlight at all, and let them lead quiet lives until a writer calls on them again. I actually LIKE seeing that happen, as it's something that makes the MU reflect the real world. Agh-- talking overlong yet again-- HB The problem back then was instead of forming an interesting origin for a new super-powered character, that character would just be a mutant. Simple, but also a cheap way out. Thus, Marvel's decision to lay waste to mutants by having Wanda hex them out of existence (House of M). It made mutants unique again and also in danger of extinction as there were only 198 mutants left in the world. (How or why these select few escaped Wanda's hex, I can't recall at the moment) As for Hickman expanding the roster, from what I read of his interviews, his intention is that the Avengers are the greatest team on the planet, thus they should face the greatest threats. More members help them do this as well as expanding the global make-up of the team. I think this is a left-over result of the Initiative. Due to AVX, mutants are becoming more mainstream and accepted or at least Cap and Co. are trying to present them as such. Marvel is downplaying the old adage of human fear and resentment of mutants. As for Cannonball, I like Sam, as I do for the rest of the New Mutants. Cable had trained him as a very capable leader (in their days in X-Force) and if you think about it, a dangling plot thread that is hardly ever mentioned these days but no one has ever dismissed since the 90s, Sam is immortal. Glad to hear that Jan is back. Hope her spirit of heart and passion hasn't been affected too much by whatever has happened to her. But they are still dealing with 'Sorcerer Supreme'? That's just one of the reasons why I never could get into New Avengers. Though darn it woodside, you now make me want to read a Bendis Avengers book. May have to check this out now.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Nov 12, 2012 23:14:43 GMT -5
Actually, we went with Alana Woodside. Lovely name, congrats good sir on your family's newest addition. Great job on the reviews as well.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Nov 12, 2012 23:03:08 GMT -5
This past week saw the release of Marvel NOW! Iron Man #1 by Gillen and Land. Sadly, my print subscription runs about a week behind the issue's release date. So hopefully I'll get this issue next week.
Till then, if anyone has read this issue and wishes to shares their thoughts, please go ahead.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Nov 12, 2012 22:56:08 GMT -5
Heck, they're not even calling him 'Hood'. It's 'The Man In the Hood'! Guess there's no Lois Lane at any Starling City newspaper to name him.
As for the Legion show, hoping not to blow the show's budget, I'd pick the Founders, Brainy, Duo Damsel, Phantom Girl, Ultra Boy, Sun Boy, Timber Wolf, and either Colossal Boy or Shrinking Violet. I would include Cham but pulling off a convincing shape-shifter every week could stretch the budget too far.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Oct 26, 2012 18:56:16 GMT -5
IDW has recently announced they've picked up the license to THUNDER Agents. While they are unsure whether to follow Spencer's recent DC run of the characters or pick up from Wood's run (or some combination of both), they have announced they will reprint Wood's run.
....which is good since I've always wanted to read it, having heard over the years nothing but great reviews of it.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Oct 26, 2012 18:49:28 GMT -5
True, but Cyclops is not the sole person to blame for faltering on the dream. Logan has his share of blame for the activities he has been party to as well. This may have lead to their Schism, but it's nice seeing Logan accept some measure of responsibility for his actions.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Oct 26, 2012 18:44:45 GMT -5
Did anyone catch Felicity Smoak? She was the lab tech Oliver went to. In the comics she was Firestorm's stepmother! That seemed a bit odd. Hm, did not know that. I thought Deadshot was pretty good. Didn't quite get the tattoo thing either. He had the hand cannon though! ;D Liked that they are still using the flashbacks to slowly reveal what happened to Ollie on the island. A Chinese bowman and who were the guys in the black ops gear? More questions and questions...... Because of the success of the movies, that's the reason I've always heard about the lack of any kind of Batman TV show. Geoff Johns wrote the Legion episode in Smallville. There was only Cosmic Boy, Lightning Lad, and Saturn Girl, but you easily got the sense of the scope of the rest of the group, the history from the episode's story. When they gave the Legion oath, holding aloft their flight rings, I got chills and goose bumps.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Oct 24, 2012 16:07:30 GMT -5
Fraction's run on Invincible Iron Man comes to a close as Marvel gears up for Iron Man NOW! with Keiron Gillen and Greg Land.
As I've said elsewhere, I consider Fraction to be Marvel's answer to Grant Morrison, full of wonderful ideas yet the execution of which is sometimes lacking.
While this prevents me from liking his run on Mighty Thor, Fraction is great on Iron Man. Who knew a comic featuring industrial espionage could be so entertaining? He and Larocca have also done very well in adapting elements of the films into the comics.
Now though, the end has come as Tony faces off against the Mandarin. Seems the Mandarin's ten rings contain ten spirits or forces. Mandarin has coerced Tony into building these behemoth tech monstrosities to serve as new host vessels for these beings. So Tony is having to work with old foes like Zeke Stane (son of Obdiah), Blizzard, Living Laser, and such to try and stop the Mandarin.
In all of this, Rhodey has had to take on being Iron Man (after Tony faked his death) in what I can only call Tron Iron Man armor (looks sweet) while Pepper is having to deal with an (apparent) rogue J.A.R.V.I.S.
Fraction has managed to maintain a fun balance between normal life and superhero life in this title so I am sorry to see his run end. But I am looking forward to Gillen and Land's run (Previews of Land's art look great)
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Post by Marvel Boy on Oct 24, 2012 15:49:36 GMT -5
The whole time Smallville was on-air, I kept wondering why they didn't do something similar for Batman? Have a show that focused on Bruce's journey around the globe, learning his skills, solving mysteries, getting into adventures, learning the tough life lessons before his return to Gotham. I'd love to watch that.
Did you watch the old Birds of Prey TV show? It only lasted a season, but I remember liking it. It would be cool if they brought back the Flash TV show especially seeing as how Barry Allen is back in the comics now.
Deadshot is on Arrow tonight. He also made an appearance on Smallville, which, if memory serves, had something akin to the Suicide Squad on a couple of times (though not by that name). So there may be something to your suggestion there.
The three kids who played the founding members of the Legion of Superheroes on Smallville? I'd watched a live-action show of them and the Legion. A wild fantasy, but hope springs eternal......
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Post by Marvel Boy on Oct 24, 2012 15:42:06 GMT -5
I hate to admit to it, but if I met Hiddleston, I'd probably be all tongue-tied and make a fanboy fool of myself. It helped that your sister didn't know him. Great story.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Oct 24, 2012 15:33:56 GMT -5
Ah, the joys of fall, the leaves changing to golden hues, to cooler temperatures that lead to annoying sinus colds, yay!
Anyway, finally got around to reading #1. Overall, I did enjoy it. A brief intro though, as Alex was more a bystander than leading any team.
I have yet to read anything related to Young Avengers or Children's Crusade so I don't know about this new attitude or outlook of Wanda's. Though I really can't blame Rogue for punching her for those remarks of hers.
Odd seeing Logan give Xavier's eulogy. Speaking of abandoning Xavier's Dream, yes, Logan, leading two separate death squads counts as abandoning such.
Cassaday's art looked good though there were some rocky spots. Don't like Havok's new costume though really didn't see a good enough look at it. But to me, looks like he just added the head fins to Cyclop's rubber suit.
Loved Wanda's bored look in that one close-up shot. Perfectly captured the tone of her indifference.
Wicked ending. A tad more visceral than I prefer though. Liked it enough to come back next month.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Oct 14, 2012 0:47:41 GMT -5
First things first, really loved this film, felt it captured very well the spirit and feel of the comic Thor. There were a couple of nitpicks (the Destroyer should have wiped that town off the map) but the family relationship of Odin-Thor-Loki, along with his burgeoning relationship with Jane, provided a strong anchor for a fun film. That being said, came across this nugget the other day: www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=41580Seems Malekith is ready to wage war upon the Nine Realms. So Be It. ;D
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Post by Marvel Boy on Oct 14, 2012 0:35:21 GMT -5
Yeah, Cassaday really flared up the chain mail on Cap's costume. Made it look bulky and ugly. The wait is almost over, only a couple more days.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Oct 14, 2012 0:30:36 GMT -5
You all bring up some excellent points for Peter belonging with the group. He's built up a camaderie (of sorts) with most of the Marvel heroes, is resourceful and quick-thinking, can represent the heart of any group with his Never-Say-Die attitude and is very intelligent (I would loft Peter right up there with Reed, Hank, Stark, and Banner) I would have no problem with his being on the team.....if he hadn't joined around the same time as Brand New Day and One More Day, the sole intent of which, according to Quesada, was to take Peter back as far as they could to his Lee/Ditko days. No marriage, troubled life, caring aunt. The timing of it all is what I find troubling. They wanted to make his life more hectic yet put him on the most popular super-hero team in the MU. The two actions seem opposed to me. Based on what you all have brought up so far, the better question is why didn't he join before now? Back in the 80s, his joining up was always the biggest tease. However he ended up joining, I do think he's a valuable member of the team now. As for Logan, it'd make more sense to me if he'd joined now when they are looking for mutant members. Perfect reason for him to be there now. Figures Logan would show up a decade early.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Oct 13, 2012 23:59:37 GMT -5
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Post by Marvel Boy on Oct 11, 2012 23:28:40 GMT -5
Forgive me if this subject was brought up elsewhere. I tried looking for older threads with this subject but haven't found any.
Still being a relative newbie here, I wanted to know what everyone's thoughts are on Spider-Man and Wolverine being Avengers. Here's my stance:
To this day, I have no idea how or why Logan is a member of this team. He is the face of mutants but other than his relationship with Carol Danvers and his professional relationship with Cap, I can't figure out why he is here.
Peter is another issue. To my knowledge, prior to Bendis putting him onto the team, Spidey last flirted with joining back in Avengers #236-237. Here, he accosts the team, wanting to join for two reasons, to earn some respect and to earn a paycheck. But while inadvertently helping the team on a mission, he questions whether he can work well with others. Later though, the government rejects him based on his reputation.
Isn't that keeping in line with Marvel's underlying intent on portraying Peter as the Loveable Loser? He never has it easy, is always near-broke, his motives constantly questioned, never getting the girl in the end. Yet now he is a member of the most powerful team on the planet. How is that hard luck?
Sticking iconic characters on a title does help raise sales and probably helped Bendis make the Avengers into the powerhouse franchise it currently is for Marvel. But I think it also calls for logical, in-story reasons for doing so. I still don't see any of that for Peter nor Logan.
(Now, I'm just talking about their initial joining, not so much their current standing. I haven't read all that much of the Amazing Spider-Man lately but I recall seeing that Peter has a good job, is dating a new girl, and such so my stance on his hard luck may weaken in that regard)
Thoughts?
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Post by Marvel Boy on Oct 11, 2012 22:59:26 GMT -5
I intend on reading this issue (and title) but sadly, must wait till next week before I can do so (the joys of being paid bi-weekly). I haven't read all that much of Remeder but have heard good things about him. Always liked Cassaday's work though. So, if anyone else has read it, give your thoughts here. Just try not to spoil it too much for me
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Post by Marvel Boy on Oct 11, 2012 22:52:13 GMT -5
Years later, I bought What The? on a regular basis and enjoyed it as well. I also have the books where Fred Henbeck destroys the MU and DCU and the Fantastic Four Roast. I admit to being a sucker for these corny goofy things like when Henbeck dries poor Ant-man in the microwave. Maybe that's why the Impossible Man has always been one of my favorite characters. Goofy is fun. I remember ads for NBE, but have never read an issue of it. I do recall What The? with fondness though. Fred Hembeck is a mad genius. He also had a regular page in Marvel Age every month which was always funny. You all are right though, Marvel couldn't release a title like this today.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Oct 11, 2012 22:43:40 GMT -5
Boy, as evidence of "don't let this artist write. . . EVER!", just look at McFarlane's title, SPIDERMAN. Dialog was excruciatingly bad. I could have written better in 8th grade, I think. I remember reading somewhere about how McFarlane wrote those early scripts for Spider-Man. Basically, he used no plot outline, no script, just thumbnails and sketches of broad scenes laid out on his floor and playing it by ear. I would rank Miller, Byrne, and Perez among the best of artists-writers. My own experience with the King starts in the 80s with the campaign to get Marvel to return most, if not all, of his original art back to him. Those petition letters were everywhere. Back then, I think I kinda took him and his work for granted. Yeah, he helped Lee, Ditko, and others build the Marvel Universe and I was reaping the rewards of their hard labor. But other than a few scattered issues of different titles found in friends' collections, I never really read any of his actual work. That's changed since the arrival of this new Golden Age of Reprints. Being able to read his run of FF, Thor, Avengers, Cap have really helped me appreciate the power of his work. In reading his New Gods material, it is rough in some places, notably the dialogue, but there's no denying the intent, the commitment, the passion Kirby put into it. I know Busiek and Ross have been working on the Kirby Genesis line over at Dynamite and have been thinking about checking some of it out. Thanks for reminding me about Evanier's bio too. I'll have to hunt down a copy now.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Oct 11, 2012 22:21:32 GMT -5
I've read his work on Daredevil recently. Matt going up against Namor may seem like a losing battle, but Wood rendered it with grace. Beautiful work.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Oct 11, 2012 22:14:56 GMT -5
Other than the bare-bone basics and what little I've gleaned from cartoons, my knowledge of GA is limited. That said, I thought the pilot episode for Arrow was very well-done, laid some strong foundations for stories, and constructed some interesting relationships.
5 years trapped on a island offers up plenty of story opportunities, so I hope they continue to use flashbacks of his time there, perhaps to highlight or expand on the current storyline. (And then there's that certain mask seen on the beach when he was rescued. Hm........)
Tracking down the corrupt people his father told him about is keeping with Ollie's activist ways in that he is helping the people affected by this corruption (and possibly helping to redeem his father as well)
Yeah, the spray-on mask is weak, considering how his picture has been plastered over the news since his return. Hopefully that will improve.
Nice shout-out to Mike Grell as well.
I liked Justin Hartley as GA on Smallville but so far, I'm liking this series and eagerly awaiting the next episode.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Oct 7, 2012 17:23:02 GMT -5
Ch'p! Tomar Re! The coolness factor of this cartoon just went through the roof. Getting the band back together, the threat of the Manhunters expand, and I'm thinking this is the Anti-Monitor as well or at least a version of him. If Hal ended up on Qward in the Anit-matter universe, I have to wonder how long it will be before the Yellow Sinestro Corps appears. This was a fun episode.
As for YJ, I'm with Wally on this, that plan was WAY too risky, some of them or all of them could have just as easily been killed. I know she's undercover, but Artemis just blew up the Mountain, that's gotta hurt. The payoff from this scheme may not balance out the prices incurred so far and upcoming.
The scarab taking over Jaime and kicking butt, that was sooo crash.
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AvX?
Oct 5, 2012 9:00:10 GMT -5
Post by Marvel Boy on Oct 5, 2012 9:00:10 GMT -5
My word, the response this last issue, and this whole event, has garnered from the X-community has been both harsh and critical.
They feel that, while the X-Men have achieved more recognition and prominence within the MU, it's only because the Avengers sanctioned it. The level of hatred and animosity towards Cap and Wolverine is surprising.
In a way, I can see their point, but I'm definitely reading this event now just so I can catch up and form my own opinion.
Uncanny Avengers comes out next Wednesday. The future is Now.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Oct 2, 2012 19:18:50 GMT -5
Most cherished collection-wise is Whiz Comics #121 and Captain Marvel #65, so far, my only Golden Age issues of Shazam.
Most cherished story-wise......geez, that's a tough one. Dark Phoenix Saga, Batman Year One, Miller's work on DD (original run, Born Again, and Man Without Fear mini), Mage by Matt Wagner, Elementals by Bill Willingham......
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Post by Marvel Boy on Oct 2, 2012 18:54:41 GMT -5
Johns re-started the Teen Titans with Mike McKone. I think he ended up writing about 50, maybe 60 issues of the title. Could be off with that number though.
I liked his work on JSA but my favorite Johns work is his run on Hawkman with Rags Morales. Really great stuff there.
As for the Legion..........*deep breath* here goes.
The Waid Legion had Triplicate Girl, they never fought Computo, so I don't think she ever lost a body. If you are reading the New 52 Legion, then yes, you are reading the original[/i] Legion, usually called the Levitz Legion to distinguish these from the other versions of the Legion.
So, Luorno should still be Duo Damsel although I didn't know Time Trapper killed her second body. Could be that incident was forgotten or overlooked since this version of the team hasn't been seen for over 20 years.
Superboy is still with this Legion albeit in a different way. Instead of Superboy flying around both the future and current DCU, it's only in the future with the Legion that Clark is Superboy, never in the present.
They also changed the inspiration of the Legion. Instead of just Superboy/Superman, the Legion was inspired by all the heroes of the present-day DCU.
Anyone remember the Superboy and LOSH cartoon from a few years ago? I liked that as well.
Can't watch the Superhero Squad show although I do like the figures. Those are cool.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Oct 1, 2012 13:08:16 GMT -5
Obviously, the team confrontation scene in the SHIELD lab was a big highlight for me. Whedon nailed each character's motivations and speech perfectly here, all the while showcasing why and how they are able to move past those differences and work together as a team.
But the unsung heroes are Clint and Natasha. They could have easily been overlooked and underused. Even when he was brainwashed, I kept pulling for Clint to come out of it in a big way, which he did. Seeing Natasha's quiet but firm intent on rescuing someone she feels strongly about, that was excellent.
Cap's command of 'Hulk smash" is the best line ever....in any comic movie.....ever made.....now and in the future........ ;D
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Post by Marvel Boy on Oct 1, 2012 13:00:26 GMT -5
This question may seem odd considering the movie in question, but is it feasible, given the human tech seen so far in Marvel movies, that an operation such as this, taken a dead man's brain patterns and installing them as a base program for a robotic/synthezoid being, possible?
You have a basis for it though, for the Human Torch created by Horton was seen in the Cap movie. I like the idea for this, but maybe some stolen/salvaged alien tech retrieved in the upcoming conflict with Thanos and then used in this Vision venture would make this idea more sensible for a more general movie audience not properly schooled in Avengers history.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Oct 1, 2012 12:52:31 GMT -5
Wendy eh? Yeah, I remember her, Marvin, and Wonder Dog from Superfriends. (Actually liked them better than Zan and Jayna). I think Johns tried using them again late into his run on Teen Titans. Odd to see her back though. Had she appeared in any previous episodes? Something I never understood was why Jason Todd was always seen as the failure Robin. He was a little headstrong, a little brash, perhaps a bit too violent, but isn't that kind of a mix between Batman and Dick Grayson? Two reasons, I think, for this perception of Jason Todd. First, coming from the psychoanalysis that seems mandatory for Batman these days, Robin is viewed as being an anchor of light and sanity for Bruce to keep his darker moods in check. Without a Robin, Bruce may edge closer and closer to manic obsession and lose sight of what is important and necessary. Jason Todd, due to his own personal issues and demons, didn't fit into that Robin mold very well. Second, Todd is unique in comic history in that the fans themselves voted on his fate. If memory serves, DC Editorial felt that Jason as a character wasn't a good Robin, but gave the ultimate choice of his fate to the fans who then voted to have him die during Death in the Family. So, he's considered a failure because the fans wanted him to die. I liked his return as Red Hood, I thought Winick handled that very well and added another level of tragedy for Batman. The fans may have considered him a failure, but in story, Todd was a failure for Bruce and to see him return, in that matter, made for some very good stories. @marvel boy The only time I'm aware of Ted Kord in animation was in Batman the Brave and the Bold. If you've dismissed it as being silly or juvenile than you are missing out. Sure, some episodes are silly, but some are more serious and all are entertaining. You'll see the best Aquaman ever and the death of Ted in "Fall of the Blue Beetle!" Wil Wheaton voices Ted BTW. Oh no, not evil Wil Wheaton! I've seen very little of B&B, thinking that it did stray too much into Silver Age silliness. But I've also read and heard of too many good reviews (like you mention here) to totally dismiss it, so I'll check it out. As for Johns and GL, it's a little complicated. If you go with the idea of DC's Trinity, then Johns has done more than his fair share of lofting Hal and the Corps onto that pedestal as well. My problems began with Blackest Night and the other Corps. I thought their reveal overall was handled poorly and too quickly, the violence quotient of the book became too excessive for me (Sorry, but I don't want a full page spread of Black Hand committing suicide by blowing his brains out in full gory detail) and the event story just didn't interest me at all (Not a huge zombie fan) I love the way the cartoon handled the other Corps better. The slow reveal of the history of the Red Lanterns, learning of the Star Sapp- sorry Violet Lanterns, the potential of Yellow Lanterns through the yellow fear minerals, and the terrific build-up of Saint Walker, with Mogo's and Ganthet's help, as a Blue Lantern. Much better than Johns going, "Here is every other single Lantern Corps, right here, right now. Enjoy!" Yeah, right.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Sept 30, 2012 16:47:00 GMT -5
About YJ, in the shrine of heroes there was Ted Kord memorial and a Robin one, which I'm assuming is Jason Todd. At least he was acknowledged as having existed for once. Did all those guys die in the five year span? That would be depressing. So was that Jason Todd? I was beginning to wonder if Tim died during the break. It would be so sweet to see Ted Kord in action especially if Jaime continues to learn about his namesake predecessor. Yay! Bart is still around! The fight between Roy and Mercy was very well done, in fact, it shows Roy is just as crafty as Dick. Taking on the identity of Arsenal was great indeed, can't wait to see more of him in action. I'm something of a late-comer to YJ, missing over half the first season, but been watching all of Invasion. So, can anyone tell me who the girl was talking to Superboy in Ivy Town about his birthday? Don't think I caught her name and out of costume, I have no idea who she is. GL was fun too. Really enjoyed the first season, more excited over the cartoon GL than for Johns' comic actually (long rant over why). Guy was terrific. Although I think it's funny that in the comic, it's Guy who is part of the Honor Guard yet here it's Hal who gets promoted. I hope this doesn't mean we won't see any more of Aia and Razor. I really liked their relationship as it developed last season and would love to see more of them.
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AvX?
Sept 30, 2012 12:51:47 GMT -5
Post by Marvel Boy on Sept 30, 2012 12:51:47 GMT -5
It really depends on the chapter, to be honest The Jason Aaron and Ed Brubaker issues are really excellent. The Bendis chapters are, well, Bendis chapters, you either love or hate them. The Hickman chapters are decent. That's one of the problems I've read about. The writing dynamic here in this event doesn't seem as fluid as say, Waid/Johns/Rucka/Morrison was on DC's weekly mini 52. On 52, each writer handled certain character beats that meshed together in nearly every issue, allowing for a unified front. On AvX however, with each writer handling a whole entire issue themselves, characterizations may not be consistent throughout the event due to the writer's own views and influences. (Cap seems to be a big example of this) I think it's the percerption of this event that hurts it the most. X-Men used to be the dominant franchise, now it's the Avengers. X-Men have been steadily re-building themselves, but to reach prominence again, they have to do so through the Avengers. Mutants aren't supposedly going to be as hated as they once were under Claremont's watch. I'm not saying that is Editorial's position, just fan perception.
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