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Post by Marvel Boy on Feb 12, 2013 22:10:43 GMT -5
Hm, it never occurred to me that Kirby would use his own personal experiences about shell-shock to influence Cap's re-appearance in the present. But Lee's melodrama took hold of it and ran wild.
Awhile back, I read Essential Cap Vol. 1 and while I found the initial story about the Red Skull's return interesting, Steve's continual droning about being a 'man-out-of-time' began to grate on my nerves. Now toss in his 'mental enhancement', then really, he should have adjusted more quickly. But you lose any drama doing that, so in a sense, I can't blame Lee for mining that plot point for all it was worth.
I never knew about his 'mental enhancement' either. I find that similar to Superman, in that both characters may be highly intelligent, but in this visual medium, such facets are oft overlooked for the more physical capabilities.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Feb 9, 2013 10:39:08 GMT -5
Minor spoilers for #3 ahead.......
Well, so much for Cap being on the team. I'm glad in a way because his reasoning is a complete 180 degree turn from the accepted reasoning of the others. To Cap, choosing the lesser of two evils is still evil, so while everyone may not care how the MU is saved, Cap has to live with that decision and he wants it to be the right one.
Still, like every other decision this group has made, I think mind-wiping Cap will come back and bite them.
As for the Infinity Gems, there has to be some Hickman significance to the fact that the Time Gem apparently vanished instead of shattering. Plus, very interesting to see the three beings who noticed that the Gauntlet was remade.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Feb 9, 2013 10:32:50 GMT -5
Gah! I want to read it but alas may have to wait till next payday before I can buy it. (Darn it, Marvel is putting out too many books I want to read ;D ) It's great to see Sunturion again. To my knowledge, his last appearance was his first, back in Iron Man #242-244, somewhere in that range. Arthur was operating a Roxxon space station that harnessed solar and microwave radiation. He underwent the treatment that gave him microwave powers to save on costs and consumables for him living aboard the station. He dissolved while helping Tony stop the Roxxon station from hitting somewhere in the Midwest after it fell out of orbit. This story also marked our first view of Tony's new IM space armor (which was cool.....as was the whole story.... )
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Post by Marvel Boy on Feb 8, 2013 23:39:03 GMT -5
Obviously, these things are as raggedy as the price suggests, but still I am super PSYCHED. I never had anything earlier than the 100s before. Anybody else make any cool Classic Avengers finds lately? As long as the staples are still holding and the covers halfway intact, I'll take raggedy. Cool finds indeed. And for the record, the earliest Avengers issue I own is #33, in raggedy condition, found in a used bookstore many many moons ago. Priceless.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Feb 8, 2013 23:32:03 GMT -5
About #4, a few questions:
When did A.I.M. get an island?? Are we talking something like a legitimate gov't or do they simply own it?
Liked the Hyperion insights but where was their Earth's destruction detailed? Like you said tom, is this tied into the events over in New Avengers?
Liked this issue, Kubert's art was decent. Didn't notice this till I saw a post about it on another board. Here in #4, this issue ends with a someone being shown frozen in ice. Just like in another classic #4 where someone in ice is thawed out. Nice touch.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Feb 6, 2013 0:08:42 GMT -5
If you think about it, given that the turning point against Ultron and the Rise of His Machines may be Logan making 'the most controversial decision ever in Marvel Comics", we all may be done for after all. ;D But if it helps our chances, I'll turn over Wakanda to him and you can turn over Asgard to him. Then as the MU burns, we can have all the pie we want.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Feb 5, 2013 23:38:35 GMT -5
Ok, time for #3 (#4 should show via the mail this week hopefully) Good ending for this first story and already the seeds for Hickman's ongoing plot are being laid out. Capt. Universe saves the day by shifting the focus of Ex Nihlio's goals. From what I gather, Hickman plans to delve deeper into the origins and purpose of Capt. Universe. The only other instance I've read of the character was back when it possessed Spider-Man and he fought against the Tri-Sentinel. This is apparently a brand-new host seeing as how the girl was confused upon arriving on Mars. This brand-new Hyperion looks about as powerful as the previous. Again, more insight into this new member is forthcoming (perhaps in #4-5) The new Smasher debuts. I've always liked the Imperial Guard but I'm at a little of a loss to understand why this new Smasher is on Earth. Hickman is sure to provide clues. Hickman is starting to build up the epic granduer, the ominous tones at issue's end, the scope of what may be uncovered via their new members, not the least of course that they basically gave Ex Nihlio the okay to terraform Mars as he sees fit. What will come of that I wonder? Loved Thor's line of "Well argued. You will be spared at the time of reckoning"So very good issue, still enjoying it, but like you mentioned, may have to read these issues over as Hickman may be going over my head a bit with all the cosmic stuff......but in a good way.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Feb 2, 2013 1:36:39 GMT -5
I'm sorry I ignored your birthday Ignore Me. So a late Happy Life-Giving Day to you! And another late Happy Life-Giving Day Ultron69! Unfortunately, I cannot match the birthday gift Marvel is giving you later this year when you are finally able to take over the MU. Just remember to spare me during that onslaught because I did wish you a happy birthday. ;D
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Post by Marvel Boy on Feb 2, 2013 1:28:23 GMT -5
Oh, for a minute there, I thought it said Mothersbaugh. You know, as in Mark Mothersbaugh, member of the almighty Devo.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Feb 2, 2013 1:23:51 GMT -5
I'm not keen on yet ANOTHER Batman cartoon. I'll look at it just to see what it's like but I'd rather see another Justice League cartoon, especially if Warner is serious about doing a JL movie soon. A cartoon would help build momentum for such a film. Plus, Warner needs to stop thinking of these characters as separate franchises. For years, Batman or Bruce Wayne couldn't appear on Smallville because of what was going on with the Batman movies. That's rubbish. The audience isn't as dumb as they think. We can accept and love a grim Batman along with a super-detective Batman as well as Silver-Agess Fun Batman. I'm more upset over cancelling Green Lantern. This is a fine cartoon. I love how they've handled the different Corps. The team dynamics have been fun. And I really like Razor and Aia's relationship. Yeah, we may have seen this done before, but this hasn't been forced, they've taken the time to develop this relationship as shown by that last episode where Razor feels the Manhunters can never have true intelligence and emotion, his outburst causing concern and hurt for Aia. Which is why I'm mad that she 'died', is this a result of the cancellation? Their way of wrapping up plot lines? Man, I hope not. That was brutal and sad how she 'died'. How will Razor handle this, after finally being able to admit his feelings for her? A great show so of course, they cancel it. As for Young Justice, the writing was on the wall for awhile but it still sucks to find out for real. I liked the TT cartoon, even their new shorts. I'm looking forward more to watching that than the Batman cartoon. I loved seeing Conner chew out Dick over the rising costs of his plan. Things are spinning out of his control despite his best intentions so how many friendships is he burning to accomplish this?
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jan 28, 2013 20:10:12 GMT -5
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jan 27, 2013 12:30:47 GMT -5
Well, if you go by Stan's Marvel Science, then Madame Curie should have been the world's first super-hero. It might have been a little extra work but I like that Gruenwald made the effort. That's another thing I liked about him. Like you mentioned, he had the deep knowledge of the history of the MU and here, he tries to expand the minds of any young readers by giving a little science behind the action. It's another reason why it's a crying' shame that he has passed........
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jan 27, 2013 12:23:58 GMT -5
Okay, read #1.
Again, this is my first introduction, reading of these characters so I have no idea how faithful or consistent Gillen is towards their portrayal.
That being said, Billy and Teddy's relationship seems strong and solid, Miss America Chavez is a bit of mystery, Kid Loki was full of mischief, Kate and Noh-Varr being attacked by Skrulls and a bit of cliffhanger at the end.
I liked it, may have loved it if I'd been more familiar with the characters and their history.
But the art....outstanding.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jan 27, 2013 12:14:32 GMT -5
How good is Avengers Assemble? Is their focus still on the 'movie' team of Avengers?
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jan 27, 2013 12:10:59 GMT -5
Portrayed correctly, Shazam should be, at least, the equal of Superman. The strength of Hercules matches Superman's strength. The Wisdom of Solomon is akin to Solomon whispering in Billy's ear. Ergo, that whole 'He's a kid, he doesn't have that much experience" is hogwash because the Wisdom is there to guide him if need be. The Stamina of Atlas means Cap may not have any endurance limits whereas Superman has been shown to 'run' out of solar energy.
Power of Zeus is the ambigious ability. It may be how he is able to tap magical sources, how he is able to perceive and handle magical threats, but like I mentioned before, Maggin suggested it may boost the other abilities. I have to dig up the actual issue and read it again (After Shazam's '70s title ended, the character moved to World's Finest where he was written by Maggin with art by the great Don Newton)
Courage of Achilles means he goes where others fear to tread. And the Speed of Mercury, sorry, that means he is at least as fast as the Flash. In fact, he has to exceed the speed of light to reach the Rock of Eternity. (Why he didn't use this ability in the fight with Despero is beyond me)
But because he is sometimes seen as the ultimate Superman clone, he is given second-tier status at DC. Also, the whimsical nature of his Golden Age stories, a tone that often follows the character, doesn't fit in well with the gritty style of DC. Jerry Ordway's Power of Shazam series was the best they've ever done in fitting Shazam into the proper DCU.
Johns, on the other hand, took a darker turn with the characters. That may work for Black Adam (which I did like) but I didn't like the corruption of Mary Marvel nor the promotion of Junior to Capt. The all-ages title Billy Batson and the Power of Shazam was much better and truer to the Golden Age feel.
For the record, I haven't read the new Shazam series appearing in Justice League. I'm afraid over what I may find. I don't like the character re-design either.
Cool list of battles though. All-Star Squadron #36-37 were great issues done by Roy Thomas.
Atom could hurt Superman from his inside if he is able to penetrate his skin. Alan Scott could hurt Superman because his ring is powered by magic. And of course Batman can hurt Superman because Batman can hurt Every Single Person in the DCU. (*sigh* another rant for another day)
I haven't watched this week's episode yet (don't mind the spoilers) but if this is the end of Aia, I'm going to be as pissed as Razor.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jan 24, 2013 16:01:58 GMT -5
Finally #3.......
I think it was worth the wait. This was a dark and brutal issue, showing how Skull is able to spread and infect his brand of mutant hatred. (The shot of Honest John pouring Skull a drink as the murderous riot continued was quite chilling)
Havok displays why Cap made the correct choice in picking him. He could have fought Cap but instead chose the high road and showed off his innate leadership qualities.
Some may have issue with the abundance of caption boxes, but I like them here. They offer a closer look into the mind-set of the characters, especially Skull.
Delays hurt this title, but I think the story is strong enough that I'll continue to hang around for now, especially with Wonder Man and Sunfire set to arrive.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jan 24, 2013 15:55:50 GMT -5
If you take Steve and Tony's talk from Avengers about their need to expand, then perhaps they see this group as simply another asset of the Avengers thus the name New Avengers (even if the group is a secret)
Read the first two issues.....interesting. I never read Bendis' version of the group so I can't say anything over any differences Hickman may have made to the group but the group interactions in #2 was definitely interesting.
My only nitpick is, I'm not sure Cap would agree with how this group operates unless he is there to change that somehow. Cap is open, honest, and in your face not the hide-and-manipulate-from-the -shadows as this group is known to do.
Plus, can someone explain to me please if BP has gotten any powers upgrade? I'd never seen some of the moves he pulled in #1.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jan 24, 2013 15:45:05 GMT -5
I was excited to see the Green Beetle, it's an interesting idea and the shapeshifting martian abilities are a pretty good excuse as to why the scarab couldn't lock onto the host body. I suspect something deeper, perhaps J'onns evil twin? I'm interested in the Reach, but I'm waiting for the Light/Lex/Vandal Savage to shut them down. It was cool to see Ray Palmer, and wasn't the attending doc addressed Dr. Cross, a.k.a Dr. Midnight? I'd love to see a JSA episode with Sandman, Hourman, and maybe a re-formation of the JSA. The Captain Marvel thing go ton my nerves. First, as I understand it, Despero was a schemer. Somehow he turned into a pink Hulk or Mogul with mental powers. There is exactly zero that is interesting about him. (If I'm wrong, please enlighten me, anybody.) A few years ago Black Adam kicked around the entire DCU. CM has the exact same abilities and can easily fight Superman to a standstill, given his edge in magic. So why does CM resort to the lightning trick? Yeah, I took that to be Dr. Midnite as well. I think he's made an appearance or two before this but I've never seen him in costume. Jay Garrick was in the Flash Bloodlines episode and we've seen Dr. Fate so I have to assume other JSA members are around as well. It would be great to see Hourman too. Despero changed, I believe, Post-Crisis. My favorite appearance was circa Justice League America #38-39. He arrives on Earth and basically tears through the entire League, murdering a few members, and ends up burning the Earth all of which ends up a mental illusion by Martian Manhunter in order to get him to leave. Here in this episode though, he was more like a mindless Hulk creature albeit with his mental powers intact. As for Cap.....*sigh*. Without descending into my usual rant over this subject, yes, Cap should be the equal of Superman. In fact, Elliot S! Maggin once wrote the best explanation for his powers in that the Power of Zeus augments and amplifies his other abilities. The problem is the whole acquiring of the character from Fawcett via their lawsuit settlement and that Cap is usually shown as being even more of a Boy Scout than Superman. Superman is the premiere character and thus is always given preference in any meeting of the two. As for the lightning trick, to my knowledge, the first use of that was in Waid and Ross' Kingdom Come where he used it against Superman (unlike the episode, Cap was fast enough to move outta the way and let the lightning hit Superman full on) Later writers picked it up and used it as basically a last-resort measure. (Yes, it was even used in the JLU episode where Cap and Superman fought) I don't like it, it's not acknowledging the capabilities of the character, and in a way, it's lazy writing. Black Adam has the exact same abilities and look at what he is capable of doing. Capt. Marvel is capable of the same thing. (Sorry, Shazam is one of my all-time favorite characters and sometimes it annoys me how DC treats the character whether it be comics, cartoons, or whatever medium)
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jan 21, 2013 20:52:38 GMT -5
After searching the collection, seems I only have issues #1, #6, #8, and #17. Something interesting I noticed was a small Science Fact section in the letters page, an illustration with science text that tied-in with the story.
How long did they do that throughout the run? That's a pretty neat feature.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jan 21, 2013 20:46:52 GMT -5
Good day, all! Sorry for my brief absence, but my computer suffered a bit of a blow and that, plus work, a recently-added new routine, and the regular pressures of being a family of 3.5 and being the only source of in-coming has prevented me from writing a review of Avengers Forever until today! I'm going to be a little more brief than normal, as I don't have a lot of time and would like to continue to read Volume Three as soon as possible. Overall, Avengers Forever is about a team of Avengers hand-selected by Libra and summoned by Rick Jones to protect Rick from the machinations of Immortus. Turns out that the Supreme Intellgience reactivated Rick's latent powers and his connection to the mysterious "destiny force." Immortus seeks to kill Jones, but Kang openly opposes Immortus and aides the eclectic team of Avengers simply because he hates Immortus. Time travel high-jinks, sub-plot resolution, and charcter drama ensue -- and eventually the Avengers are confronted the Time-Keepers, beings who seek to wipe out several timelines because the Avengers (and Rick and his connection to the Destiny Force) go bad. An army of good and evil Avengers war with each other. Rick throws himself into the cannon (or, as I like to call it, the "canon cannon") and saves the day. Immortus is killed but a new Immortus is created by ripping Kang into two. Kang then kills the Time Keepers. The Avengers then return home, the majority of them none the wiser. **** The Pros: - the cast. I loved just how wild and vivid the cast was. Two Hank Pyms? Songbird? The future Captain Marvel? A demoralized Cap? Non-powered, young Hawkeye? Wasp as the leader? This is a very intersting, very unique set of Avengers that help make this stroy so great. I loved the drama and angst associated with these characters and the way they still all united - likewise, I thought Rick Jones was pretty cool in this series. I wish we would see more of his destiny force. Libra and Supremor were neat. Immortus was great. - Kang! Kang stole the show! The chapter that was all about his life was excellent. It would be interesting to see an up-dated version of this, taking into account the Kang Dynasty, Iron Lad, and the recent appearance in Avengers Volume Four. - The Time-Keepers felt like a major threat - as did Immortus. I think Immortus was espcially interesting, having trying to save humanity even as the Time-Keepers worked against him - the art by Carlos Pacheco remains some of my favorite Cons: - the story, as its told, is really convulted and weird. I don't mind a complicated story, but the exposition just seems to make it even more complicated. It's hard to put into a basic premise. Too many characters have too many motivations. Libra, the Supreme Intelligence, Kang, Yellowjacket, Immortus, the Time-Keepers --- all of these characters are manipulators. It becomes bogged down with exposition and with all the different elements running around, Busiek has to almost remind us constantly what the story is about. I'm not saying the story is bad by any means . . . but it's too complicated for its own good. The 50s Avengers and the cowboy adventure could have been removed. Libra felt somewhat unnecessary, as did Supremor. Overall: I'm not exactly pleased with how the story has aged. I don't think it's aged as well as I had hoped. It was a blast reading it 12-13 years ago, but now, it's just a little more messy. But that being said, the characters make the story. I like that we had a lot of sub-plots revealed and we had new wrinkles added into the history of the Avengers. It is possible that we see these wrinkles even today. Note the Civil War occured at the exact same time as Annihilation and preventing Earth's heroes (notably the Avengers) from helping against the forces of the Negative Zone. Plus, in the aftermath of Secret Invasion, the Avengers had to go into hiding because of the rise of Norman Osborne. Could Immortus be behing some of this now? Hmmm. Avengers Forever feels like a bit of a primer in Avengers history. For all its history and characterizations, I can walk away with a feeling of fulfillment. Despite my issues with the plot and the mass of manipulators, Avengers Forever remains a decent read. You just have to take notes. Avengers Forever is one of my favorite all-time stories. Yes, it's incredibly plot-driven, with numerous off-shoots, but I think Busiek deserves a lot of credit for taking seemingly non-connected events with Kang, Immortus, and Rama-Tut and connecting them in a new fashion. The story notes helped out a lot of course. Pacheco's art is fabulous. While the time-displaced Avengers were great, I like Genis and Songbird the best. The legacy aspect of Genis, Songbird's commitment to reform, and the latent feelings Genis had for her. They provided fresh perspectives to this massive story. It also lead to a cool Capt. Marvel title with Peter David. Although I am still waiting for Songbird to become an Avenger and ditch the Thunderbolts.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jan 21, 2013 20:23:09 GMT -5
Havok's Avengers squad is hunting down Cable and his group for some form of crime over in the Cable and X-Force title. I haven't read that much of it so I don't know if the squad is really up and running yet.
But these delays are hurting, I keep forgetting to check to see if #3 has been released. Not the best of ways to build up loyal readers.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jan 21, 2013 20:15:57 GMT -5
The Blue Lanterns are so cool, really my favorite of the 'new' Corps. Really don't see how the Blue Battery super-charged the Manhunters; are they powered by the green will energy?
Really glad to see Razor back, picking up the sub-plot with his relationship with Aia. Sinestro was cool as well AND ruthless. Also liked that most of the action happened aboard the ship, everyone confined, paranoia takes over, who is who, it was fun to watch.
As for YJ, kinda bummed that Despero never talked. But I'm more irritated over Shazam's appearance. He was basically Despero's punching bag, offering little resistance. I'm sure that if it was Superman, he would have gotten in some quality hits on Despero. Poor ol' Cap, ever the red-headed step-child to Superman.
First Mount Justice, now the Hall of the Justice. Headquarters are being wrecked with ease here lately.
Alpha Squad's day at the farm, now that was a cool episode. Liked Roy's outlook towards all things Luthor and his willingness to bend orders, Jaime's fears over his scarab, Green Beetle is interesting, want to see a fight between Sportsmaster and Deathstroke even more now, and oh yeah, Psimon being brought in to help Aqualad recover.
Yeah, this is getting a lot more interesting now......
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jan 13, 2013 12:40:00 GMT -5
As for the Jan 5th episode of YJ, finally get to see Black Beetle and he kicks mucho butt. He looks powerful enough to take on the whole Justice League, let alone all the kids.
Don't know if it's Ted at the controls, but at least we know Kord Industries had the Blue Scarab so Ted is involved somehow.
Good to see the kids rescued, spotted Static Shock and Apache Chief.
Miss Martian learns the truth behind Aqualad's deception though it's unclear if Kal is left a mental vegetable by her mind-probe. At some point, I think someone is gonna backhand Dick for this mad scheme and the rising costs of it.
As for GL, interesting, I thought for sure he'd end up near Qward. Instead we get Steam Lantern which wasn't too bad. Although how Hal eventually saved that world.......whoa. Impressive.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jan 13, 2013 12:28:48 GMT -5
Of the core Trinity, Cap's book is the one I always read the least. Don't really know why, maybe because the character has such obvious political overtones, sometimes Marvel felt that he should 'reflect' the social conditions of the current times, thus you have the various periods where Cap quit and took on another identity.
When he went by the Captain, back in the 80s, probably the most I read of him. Finally got around to reading the first half of Brubaker's run and found that to be extremely good. I thought bringing Bucky back would be crazy but Brubaker pulled it off with style and substance.
So, haven't checked into the NOW title, heard some positive reviews for it though. Always liked Romita Jr's art, but when I think of Cap, I think two names: Kirby and Zeck.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jan 13, 2013 12:16:01 GMT -5
To showcase what the medium can really accomplish, I'd recommend Fables by Willingham and Buckingham.
It features characters known to almost everyone, fantastic art, features strong female characters that aren't trivialized or overly sexualized, and an outstanding storyline.
If they like that, then show the newcomer the different genres within comics so that they may pick what to read next.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jan 13, 2013 12:09:03 GMT -5
I can only imagine what the mindset was in mid '63. For many years following WWII...comics had become a world of SF, Suspense, Crime, Combat and Romance. There was always that small pocket of of the DC3...but it seemed that super heroes were on the back burner. With the dawn of the Silver Age...it must have been a shining beacon of hope when the lines were drawn concerning Earth I and Earth II. And then came The Marvel Age. Most will say that early Marvel's are part of the Silver Age. I disagree. From the moment that the first issues of Spidey and the 4 hit the stands...that age had changed. As DC would go on within the Silver for many years...Marvel had already broken that mold. The idea of the 'Super Team' was not only relevant...but welcome and comforting. I can only imagine the thrill that readers felt when they saw the big Marvel powerhouse heroes join together under one title. The Avengers! I would imagine the mind-set of '63 was more of wonder and fun. I have no clue as how to much advanced advertising there was for Avengers #1 but if this was done today, we'd know about the title six months before it's release, have preview pages probably with some form of spoiler, lots of hype, so that when the actual issue is released, we almost know half of the story before we even read it. Back then, though, at least for me in the 80s, you'd have the Previews Checklist, Marvel Age may have a preview article, interview with the creative team, just enough to wet your appetite. So that when you spun that spinner rack around and finally saw #1, you got so excited, you bought it, rushed home, and devoured it, page by page, punch by punch. You were thrilled by it, not spoiled. Magnify that feeling back in '63 and I think it must have been mind-blowing to see Avengers #1 on the rack.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jan 13, 2013 11:57:59 GMT -5
Man, I hope I have the same amount of energy as Stan does when I turn 90.
Happy Late Life-Giving Day to Van!
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jan 13, 2013 11:54:18 GMT -5
What's so wrong with a red sports jacket? It's the ultimate in superhero apparel. ;D
Welcome Knight of Wundagore!
Like you mentioned being a comics child of the 80s, when I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Mary comes to me and she says fill in the blanks and holes in your 80s collection/reading.
For example, when I heard that Peter David suffered a stroke (Best Wishes for his recovery), I realized that I'd read very little of his landmark Incredible Hulk run, one of the few 80s Marvel titles that I didn't follow even on a semi-regular basis.
So now trying to track down some of his Hulk TPBs for the most decent price I can find. (Yes, HB, there may yet be another Hulk fan waiting to burst from the closet and out into the foyer of Avengers Mansion)
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jan 4, 2013 12:51:40 GMT -5
First issue came out this week, have to wait till next week for payday before I can read it though.
I was at least going to read the first couple of issues, just to see what Hickman is setting up here. He's said in previous interviews that whereas the Avengers face the public threats, the New Avengers will deal with the secret hidden threats. A reader doesn't have to read both to enjoy either, but if you do read both, you'll see the ties that bind.
That being said, I've always felt a tad uncomfortable with the idea of the Illuminati. On paper, it sounds like a terrific idea. On execution though, it sounds like a great way to retcon in any way any event they didn't like. Maybe Hickman's handling of the group will be more to my liking than how Bendis handled them.
Thoughts?
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jan 4, 2013 12:44:46 GMT -5
I haven't read this issue, frankly, it's not a title I want to read simply because, as you all mentioned, the premise is flimsy to begin with, something I don't think an ongoing series can maintain with quality for any given length of time. Maybe this is just the opening arc and we're looking for some kind of premise shift down the road, who knows.
I do know that I did like Academy kids, Gage wrote a wonderful series with great characters and I hate to see them caught up in something weird like this. Unless you spoiler me wrong, I think X-23 would survive outta all of them, simply because of her Wolverine ties.
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