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Post by bobc on May 7, 2009 12:42:01 GMT -5
Are you guys starting to get it now that Bendis has never read the Avengers before he took it over? This is just more proof. Anyone who knows ANYTHING about the Avengers, particularly the Busiek/Perez years, knows that the Beast/Wonderman duo was and still is one of the most popular Avengers pairings EVER. Fans were demanding that the Beast come back when WM rejoined the team in the 90's--and the outcry was so huge that even though the X-Men team at the time "owned" the character and didn't want him back in the Avengers, Busiek had him appear as a guest for several issues.
Bendis is such a complete idiot. Who the hell does he think he's talking about when he says "nobody likes the Beast?"
Goldenfist--who told you that nobody cares about the Avengers? The book has been in the top 5 for decades.
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Post by bobc on May 7, 2009 11:10:27 GMT -5
Hey Ulron--I went to school at Brockport State!
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Post by bobc on May 7, 2009 9:04:22 GMT -5
I'd say Ultron. I said this a while back but I'll repeat it: John Buscema created Ultron but when I spoke to John, he didn't even remember who Ultron was! I had to explain Ultron to John and then he remembered!
I'd put the Masters of Evil and Kang at number 2.
But in terms of a seriously kick ass battle, nobody tops Nefaria from the Byrne years. Now THAT was a memorable battle.
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Post by bobc on May 7, 2009 8:58:49 GMT -5
I went back and looked up The Crossing. In hindsight I guess that story arch just bored me because I barely remember it. About the only thing I remember is a big splash page of the Wasp flitting into the air in that ridiculous form, as if we were all supposed to gasp in exhilaration at the mere sight of her! That was really goofy. At that point the Avengers seemed to be drifting so I didn't take it very seriously.
Speaking of the Masters of Evil story-arch, I'd probably say that was my all-time favorite Avengers story. I also loved the Olympus story arch.
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Post by bobc on May 6, 2009 16:38:41 GMT -5
Can you jog my memory? Was that the time when the Wasp turned into that moth creature?
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Post by bobc on May 6, 2009 15:49:39 GMT -5
I had post-traumatic stress disorder after Heroes Reborn. Man when I think of that mercifully short period--I just shudder. You know what I remember most from that? The stupid costumes. I don't know why. Remember that god-awful costume for either Hawkeye or the Swordsman (I can't remember which it was), that looked like a cross between the Black Panther''s mask and Hawkeye's? Only brown? My God the suckage is off the Richter Scale.
Spellcheck is telling me "suckage" is not a real word. Apparently it hasn't read Heroes Reborn.
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Post by bobc on May 6, 2009 15:41:28 GMT -5
I have no idea who Leinil Yu is. Is he one of those guys who draws in that gimmicky Manga style? I don't care for that--I'm old school.
I like Ditko okay but he was kinda like the comics version of the band Talking Heads--the style was so unique that it got tiresome after a while. He never drew the Avengers as far as I can recall.
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Post by bobc on May 6, 2009 15:36:20 GMT -5
I really like GP's work, Starfoxx. I was seriously asking what you liked about his style--that's all! I didn't care for his work in the 70's but loved his stint in the 90's. In fact, I'd put that era up against any other era in Avengers history as being my favorite, along with Byrne's stuff and Roy Thomas/John Buscema's work in the 70's/60's.
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Post by bobc on May 6, 2009 13:37:40 GMT -5
Yeah Infantino sucked. He was like a D-list Gene Colan. I also really, really hated George Tuska as well--God those endless up-the-nose shots and stilted poses just drove me nuts. Blech. I hated Don Heck as well, although these days I have a soft spot for him in hindsight. His work, and Bob Brown's, always seemed really sketchy and lazy to me. To be fair though, Coming off John Buscema's stellar 60's and early 70's work, it would have been almost impossible for anybody to measure up.
Speaking of Gene Colan, I loved his work on Tomb of Dracula and other places, but his issue or two of the Avengers didn't seem to work for me. Just wasn't the right fit, which is cool.
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Post by bobc on May 6, 2009 13:30:46 GMT -5
hmmmmm--I must have zoned on that one.
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Post by bobc on May 6, 2009 13:29:09 GMT -5
Remember when the Wasp had what amounted to a safety pin on her wrist for a weapon? She tried to sting the Sub-mariner and all she got out of it was a bent stinger! Hee hee--that was awesome! I posted this a few years ago but it bears repeating: the Wasp's powers were vastly improved by Byrne (I think it was him) in Marvel Team-up in the 80's. Her stings were now bio-energy which could blow a hole in a wall, she could fly faster than a computer could keep up with, she could vary her size (rather than just shrinking to insect-size), and she became far stronger the smaller she shrank. She could bend a metal bar with her bare hands!
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Post by bobc on May 6, 2009 12:48:20 GMT -5
I liked Yellowjacket the best, probably, but also liked him as Giant Man. When he was stuck at 12 feet as Goliath, I thought he was a little too low-powered and liked it better when he was in almost the same league as Thor and Iron Man.
I've gotta disagree with Giant man being the "most practical" mainly because he was a huge target, frankly.
Did you all like Hawkeye as Goliath?
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Post by bobc on May 6, 2009 12:43:50 GMT -5
I don't remember the Crossing.
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Post by bobc on May 6, 2009 12:41:17 GMT -5
I didn't mind the stuff Johns wrote--it just wasn't very memorable for me. You know the other day I was bored and looked at the cover gallery on this site, mainly just to jog my memory, and frankly there were whole runs that I barely remember. I accept the fact that there are going to be periods that are mediocre--you have to if you stick around long enough.
All that being said, the two "eras" that I really thought SUCKED were Heroes Reborn and Bendis.
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Post by bobc on May 6, 2009 12:33:07 GMT -5
I wish I could laugh
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Post by bobc on May 6, 2009 10:40:13 GMT -5
Yeah nobody can accuse George Perez of being a lazy artist! I am really enjoying this book--there's lots of action, interesting character interaction and of course, GP's great art. Reminds me of the good old days of Marvel.
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Post by bobc on May 6, 2009 10:31:21 GMT -5
I can't believe that any of you actually believe Bendis read that storyline "the first time around." It is blatantly obvious to me that Bendis never read any Avengers comics before taking over and destroying this book (or maybe he read one or two over the years). If he had--the characters he's destroyed would have shown SOME resemblance to what had gone before, if for no other reason than simple osmosis. I think Bendis is pretending to be a fan for appearances. Look at Millar's work--it is glaringly obvious he was/is a huge longtime Avengers fan and Marvel fan. When he changes a character he always plays off the original and puts a new spin on him or her--he doesn't just throw everything out like garbage.
I mean come on Bendis--stop pretending.
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Post by bobc on May 5, 2009 16:46:11 GMT -5
My list would be:
1. John Buscema when inked by Tom Palmer
2. Brian Hitch (okay he's Ultimates but he still kicks you-know-what)
3. John Byrne
4. George Perez
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Post by bobc on May 5, 2009 16:43:23 GMT -5
Tell me your criteria, Starfoxx. I mean does his art just appeal to you in general, or can you name what you like specifically?
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Post by bobc on Apr 24, 2009 15:43:48 GMT -5
Ignore Me: It's called incompetent writing. I am sick of being negative too but this is stuff is just beyond the pale. Seems like most of the people writing for marvel are following Bendis' approach to writing--sloppy, inconsistent, lazy, incompetent. I know it's only comics, but come on. Do people even have expectations anymore?
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Post by bobc on Apr 24, 2009 9:30:30 GMT -5
I'm done buying Marvel comics. I bought this comic for the first time yesterday and I read the opening blurb--and discovered that Iron Man has been absolved of his duties and both Shield and the Avengers have been turned over to Osbourne, a known criminal. WTF? No explanation (mercifully, I'm sure). And of course there is yet another cabal of super-villains (haven't we already seen this stale plot device 100 times in the past couple of years?)secretly conspiring behind the scenes with the new head of Shield/the Avengers.
This is third rate, fifth rate stuff. I'm not spending another dime on this crap.
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Post by bobc on Apr 17, 2009 14:18:13 GMT -5
YES!!!
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Post by bobc on Apr 17, 2009 11:11:35 GMT -5
That review is HILARIOUS! Man that guy totally NAILS what a frikkin fraud Bendis is.
You know I swear Bendis is just taunting the comic-buying crowd--writing the most incoherent crap ever and seeing how far he can go before his Moonie-like apologists turn on him. I can just see him cackling, saying "man if these fools accept THIS crap then the brain-washing is complete!"
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Post by bobc on Apr 17, 2009 9:28:08 GMT -5
What a nerd I am that i can actually quote lines from 35 YO comics...
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Post by bobc on Apr 17, 2009 9:23:33 GMT -5
I'm glad you liked it, DL! Isn't it amazing how much Sal's art looked like John's in those first few issues? I especially loved the storyline where the Valkyrie came onboard. I thought the art was right up there with the late 60's Avengers stuff, and the stories were exciting. Each of the characters had a very defined personality at the time--you had a very arrogant Namor, a very detached Silver Surfer, the Hulk was just confused and hostile most of the time, Dr. Strange was the calm, level-headed anchor, the Black Knight was thoroughly human as opposed to the others, and the Valkyrie was sucha wild card. I loved how she wanted to join the Defenders and Namor wasn't having it--saying he had no need for human companionship.
I think the Valkyrie's response was one of Marvel's greatest lines ever: "You'd desire it if you'd never had it. How self-centered you are..."
That line perfectly summed up the Sub-Mariner's haughty character at the time--as well as the Valkyrie's confusion over being basically created out of nothingness.
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Post by bobc on Apr 14, 2009 13:07:55 GMT -5
Hey I love zombie stuff and cheap gore is fine in that context! In fact, The Evil Dead Part2 is one of my favorite bad movies! But when did the Hulk and Hank Pym start eating people?
You know I think it's all in how you present it. Did you guys read Millar's parody of the Avengers in The Authority back in the 90's? There was tons of cheap gore in it, but the way it was presented was funny. It worked. At that time it was novel and most of it was tongue in cheek--but I don't think Millar could have continued that kind of thing for more than a few issues or it would have come off as cheap (in a bad way).
I just bought a comic, Ultimate Wolverine vs. The Hulk, where the Hulk breaks Wolverine into two pieces and they (the Hulk and Wolverine, not the two pieces) sit there and discuss, for pages, which leg the Hulk is going to eat. IMO it just seemed kind of--I don't know--cheap in a bad way. Although I do admit there were a couple of funny lines AND I found the idea of a new She-Hulk look to be kind of cool. The artwork was very nice.
I guess I am mostly objecting to Hank Pym biting the Blob's head off and then blowing himself up, needlessly. It was senseless cannibalism and suicide. Remember when Jean Grey sacrificed herself to save the others in the X-Men? And when the Swordsman sacrificed himself to save Mantis? Those deaths had nobility to them.
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Post by bobc on Apr 9, 2009 16:50:21 GMT -5
Don't give Bendis any ideas. Salad tongs as a weapon sounds like the kind of "plot" that would be hatched in Bendis' fevered bald cranium. Oy vey!
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Post by bobc on Apr 9, 2009 16:47:42 GMT -5
Who are those people? I thought it was the Avengers.
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Post by bobc on Apr 9, 2009 16:44:01 GMT -5
As if Marvel needed to sink any lower these days--I have bought three different Marvel comics in one month where major characters were eating people. The Blob ate the Wasp, the Hulk ate Wolverine's leg, and Yellowjacket bit the head off the Blob. AND in this other crappy comic I just bought called "Ex-(something)" (sorry it sucked so bad I can't recall the name), the Beast rips the arm off Modok, and in a later scene the X-Men have Wolverine's ripped apart body chained to a flying ship.
What is going on? This is what passes for plot developments these days? I happen to love cheesy slasher movies from the 80's but does that kind of stuff belong in comics? What happened to characters with nobility? Is that just completely gone now?
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Post by bobc on Apr 9, 2009 16:33:11 GMT -5
Hee hee--Wolverine "fighting for his soul?"
I liked it better when he was ripping Jean Grey's skirt off so she could run better. I don't want a soul-searching Wolverine.
I went to the comic store yesterday and I swear to God Wolverine was in almost every Marvel comic. It was ridiculous.
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