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Post by dlw66 on Sept 4, 2007 10:43:54 GMT -5
Is #203 a Carmine Infantino-drawn Beast story? If it's the issue I'm thinking of, then it's one of my all-time least-favorite Avengers issues!! EDIT: Yep, that's it!!
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Post by Bored Yesterday on Sept 4, 2007 13:49:46 GMT -5
Oh -- that issue was painful to read!
Beast and Wonderman versus radioactive sewage -- and I believe they lose the fight in the end.
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Post by dlw66 on Sept 4, 2007 15:30:18 GMT -5
See, some people think those of us who dislike Disassembled and NA don't ever speak poorly of the "classic Avengers" stuff.
Well, kids, here ya go!! This issue should be stricken from the collective Avengers-memory banks!
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Post by Hourman on Sept 4, 2007 16:37:22 GMT -5
Avengers #178 is another Carmine Infantino -drawn issue, with Steve Gerber (of Howard The Duck fame) writing the story.
You're about to enter the wasteland issues of the Avengers (IMO) when Al Milgrom starts penciling... as Count Floyd used to say, "Scary stuff, eh kids?"
On the other hand, there is a great inker for a couple of issues -Brett Breeding.
Avengers #201-202 were based roughly on Jim Shooter's "This Evil Undying" Avengers novelization (adjusted to reflect the current line-up), and having read that first, I was disappointed by the comic version.
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Post by Shiryu on Sept 4, 2007 17:52:04 GMT -5
You are speaking with the only person in the world who actually really likes the Milgrom Avengers ;D I guess it's because these are the first Avengers issues that I picked up years ago, but, as Dlw and the others here know full well, I definitely like them. Besides, I will shortly be in the Stern's run, which is my all time favourite, so I can't complain really It's what's after Stern that worries me more...
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Post by Bored Yesterday on Sept 4, 2007 20:32:17 GMT -5
I recently tREAD the same path, Shiryu. Your're right, after Stern, it gets pretty dicey. I really like a lot of what Harras did, but it was inconsistent, and the low points were terrible. Toward the end, I couldn't even tell what was happening. Boring characters, even repulsively tacky characters -- seemed to come and go without explanation.
It's like, after Thor disbands the Avengers shortly before issue 300, that's the end. The rest of volume I is just ... like a bunch of Civil War reenactors trying to hang onto the glory.
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Post by Hourman on Sept 5, 2007 10:48:50 GMT -5
You are speaking with the only person in the world who actually really likes the Milgrom Avengers ;D I guess it's because these are the first Avengers issues that I picked up years ago, but, as Dlw and the others here know full well, I definitely like them. Besides, I will shortly be in the Stern's run, which is my all time favourite, so I can't complain really It's what's after Stern that worries me more... I do like some of Stern's storylines, it's just that I found the artwork to be rather pedestrian for a book like the Avengers... but also keep in mind during these years I was filling in a lot of my back issue collections, as well as branching out into DC books so I found some of their stories artwork (i.e. Keith Giffen's LSH, Perez on the Teen Titans), so there was a lot of competition for my attention back then.
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Post by Shiryu on Sept 5, 2007 17:12:38 GMT -5
Poor Milgrom... all these people appreciating Perez and Buscema and not realizing the greatest of them all was there already (just kidding, I too prefer Perez and Buscema to Al ^^). I'm almost at the end of the second, very short, Shooter period. I already know these issues so will browse through them fairly quickly. I have to say that YJ demise makes actually less sense now that it did when I first read it. At the time I thought he was a relatively new guy (Cap even jokes saying "Yellowjacket, right?"), but now, even with all the explanations that will follow, and the hints that had been dropped before, his breakdown feels somewhat rushed. Just one issue and he already cracks under pressure, after having been through much more in the past... On the other side, I liked the Molecule Man issues, especially Tony and Don willingness to fight despite not being Iron Man and Thor anymore, even if their presence will only serve "to draw fire". PS, can't believe I've already read over 20 years of Avengers in about a month time! The Thomas, or even the Lee eras are still rather fresh in my memory and yet it all flows really well.
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Post by Bored Yesterday on Sept 5, 2007 21:07:08 GMT -5
I liked the Miracle Man story a lot too. How did you like Iron Man's leisure suit?
I love when writers can find situations where a character's powers have limits, and that was a fun thing for Shooter to put in there.
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Post by Shiryu on Sept 10, 2007 13:26:24 GMT -5
Do you mean the "dress" that Molecule Man makes for Tony, because he can't rebuild the armor? That was very funny ;D Reminded me a little of GL, who can use his ring only to create objects he knows how they work.
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Post by Bored Yesterday on Sept 20, 2007 10:11:45 GMT -5
Question for owners of the DVD. When it comes to the variants for volume I, issues 379 through 381 (or 382), which version is on the DVD? These issues were published in 2 versions. Some of them are "double feature" issues with a Giant Man solo story. So, are both covers on the DVDs? Are teh Giant Man stories on the DVD?
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Post by Bored Yesterday on Sept 20, 2007 10:12:49 GMT -5
I finally found the double feature versions of these issues in my collection and am gearing up to read the Giant Man story for the first time pretty soon.
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Post by dlw66 on Sept 20, 2007 10:33:01 GMT -5
I don't have it with me, but I will try to remember to check when I get home (if someone on the boards doesn't beat me to the answer first! .
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Post by The Night Phantom on Sept 20, 2007 16:38:35 GMT -5
Question for owners of the DVD. When it comes to the variants for volume I, issues 379 through 381 (or 382), which version is on the DVD? These issues were published in 2 versions. Some of them are "double feature" issues with a Giant Man solo story. So, are both covers on the DVDs? Are teh Giant Man stories on the DVD? The “double feature” editions (issues #379–#382) are the ones on the DVD-ROM. As you’ll recall, those editions are flip books, with the “Giant-Man” pages and cover having been printed essentially upside-down. The DVD handles this by starting the issue’s PDF with the main front cover and its pages, then, once the front portion is finished, showing the “Giant-Man” cover and its pages. Usually this results in a spread appearing twice (because it’s where the two sets of pages meet), but it looks like #380 doesn’t repeat the spread (you can use Acrobat Reader to turn the last page of the “Giant-Man” story 180°, though).
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Post by Bored Yesterday on Sept 20, 2007 20:52:52 GMT -5
Thanks Night Phantom! And DLW gets a thanks as well, no harm done just because you weren't as "on the spot" as Night Phantom.
I'm glad to hear that the Giant Man stories are in the DVD. These are next in my "to read" stack. Though I really don't expect the Giant Man story to be great, I sort of hope it is anyway.
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Post by dlw66 on Mar 24, 2009 13:00:19 GMT -5
I'm moving a discussion on digital comics from the "missing persons" thread in the general section over here...
I for one like the completeness of the ROM collections a few years ago, and it's a shame Marvel went away from that model for reproducing their catalog of material. While I understand that in the long run they should realize far more profit from their present strategy of making their own magazines available for download off their website, I for one enjoyed those wonderful discs while they lasted.
That being said, however, I was into some books last week that I'd not read since they were published 20 years ago. I was all giddy and smiling stupidly as the smell of that aging newsprint wafted out of the mylar bag. DVD-ROMs are great, but in the end you still can't beat the real thing for true comic book aesthetics!
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Post by bobc on Mar 25, 2009 9:38:18 GMT -5
Hi DL--I remember one of the Marvel artists telling me that at some point the cost of paper went waaaaay up in the 90's and that was the real reason that the cost of comics went up so high at that time.
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Post by bobc on Mar 25, 2009 11:05:11 GMT -5
This is a bit off topic--but have you guys seen the animated Fantastic Four movie on Marvel.com? It's really funny--I like it! They fight Namor.
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Post by starfoxxx on Mar 25, 2009 15:38:39 GMT -5
I'm definitely not into digital comics, but I understand it works for some people, so I'm not gonna totally diss the idea.
But the one thing I LOVE about comic books are the covers, and I admit a large chunk of my collection was purchased because I was entranced by a fantastic cover. The point I'm trying to make here concerns another fascination of mine, ALBUM COVERs. and we all know that while compact discs are superior in sound and size, the one downside to CDs was the shrinking and general death of the album cover as an artform. Who didn't sit and stare at a great album cover intently as the record spun?? or even buy a crappy record just because of the awesome album cover. I know that the digital comics will include the covers, but for me, there's no replacement for holding a great comic book cover OR album cover in your hands and just being sucked into it.
also, come on, it's easy to complain about advertisements in comics these days, when a large portion of your 3 bucks are ads, but back when comics were more affordable, and the ads were more clever (IMHO), they were part of the comic-book reading experience. The old house ads or subscription ads were works of art in themselves! Digital fans may be missing out on this too. Again, they MAY be nice for some people, but NOT FOR ME. LONG LIVE PAPER!
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Post by dlw66 on Mar 25, 2009 19:31:01 GMT -5
Allow me to show my ignorance here -- are the digital comics Marvel offers on its website not complete reprints? Because the DVD-ROMs to which I was referring were complete scans of all of the issues of Avengers, or ASM, etc. I would be unhappy if Marvel was not including ads, letter pages, and both covers.
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Post by Shiryu on Mar 30, 2009 17:45:59 GMT -5
I think digital comics can be very useful, they don't occupy physical space, are cheaper - albeit less durable - and easier to access. However, as it has been pointed out, comics are best enjoyed when held in the hands, without pages to scroll, brightness to adjust etc. And I wouldn't say that young readers prefer digital comics to the physical ones, I know a lot of people who rely on scanlations for manga, but they all buy the actual book when it comes out, to appreciate it more.
This is the reason why I don't think that piracy damages comics as much as it does with movies or songs. Downloading a movie, one has exactly what he would get on a DVD, but unless he prints the comic, and it would cost more in ink than the value of the book itself, it's far from being the same.
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Post by Dr. Hank Pym on Apr 2, 2009 22:10:12 GMT -5
I also don't mind digital comics. I mean, I know that it's not the same as the real comic, and I LOVE when I get the real comic, but it's also great if I ever feel like relaxing and reading a story. And I also agree with starfoxxx, I love album covers. Actually, I enjoy looking at single covers, more. It's there where you'll find the cheesier art or dorky pictures. For example, the single cover to the Phil Collins hit, "Sussudio"!
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