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Post by dlw66 on Sept 29, 2006 10:38:08 GMT -5
Do you think that as Marvel now looks to be issuing all of their vast, classic body of work in this format, that it will cut into the tpb market? As some have said, they still like the portability of a book, as well as the feel. Thoughts?
My opinion: I have always been a buyer of collected works -- saves all the trouble of opening single issues from the bags/boards, getting tape caught on the book cover, etc. Plus, it's obviously a nice way to obtain stories I don't already own. However, as a laptop computer owner, I can tell you that curling up in a chair with a throw pillow on my lap and the computer on it is a nice way to be able to instantly access almost 600 issues of a given book. The major drawback to the DVD-ROMs, as we've been discussing, will be when stories crossover either within a title (regular to GS and back to regular) or between titles.
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Post by Shiryu on Sept 29, 2006 14:28:26 GMT -5
Good question. There is a risk, but I think that, in the end, they are for different targets and different "use". The DVD is, simply, the whole collection, always accessible and easy to store. The books however you can read everywhere and kind of "feel" better, so I think in the end they shouldn't overlap each other too much. To make an example, just 3 days ago I brought a Fantastic Four pocket book from the Lee / Kirby era, to read sometimes on the train on my way to work. And I have the FF DVD PS, talking of FF, have you guys seen the Annual with the wedding ? Reed builds the first ever "dish washer mechanism", and a short while after Nick Fury has a camera that takes photographs of brain waves
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Post by bobc on Sept 29, 2006 17:24:14 GMT -5
Hee hee! I loved all the crackpot inventions back then! Reed was always dreaming something up!
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Post by dlw66 on Sept 29, 2006 19:08:18 GMT -5
McGuyver before there was a McGuyver! (to our European and Latin American friends, that is a reference to an American tv show where this guy could save the world with a toothpick, a piece of wire, and a car battery!)
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Post by The Night Phantom on Sept 29, 2006 22:22:29 GMT -5
that is a reference to an American tv show where this guy could save the world with a toothpick, a piece of wire, and a car battery! Doug’s MacGyver explanation reminded me of something that really was in Fantastic Four, but it took me a few minutes to find it. In #293, Johnny and Reed have the following exchange:
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Post by dlw66 on Sept 29, 2006 22:24:45 GMT -5
Great run right before the wedding of Johnny and "Alicia", which turned out to be one of the better "not what you think it is" stories of all time with the revelation that "Alicia" was Lyja the Skrull! The scene where they find the real Alicia and she runs right to Ben is heartbreaking!
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Post by Shiryu on Sept 30, 2006 12:08:49 GMT -5
I'm still a lot behind that in my reading. For the moment, I'm actually amazed at how goofy certain things looked in the 60ies. For example in Avengers 3 we have Iron Man who uses his transistors (!) to project an ologram through which he can see, hear and talk And short before that, he magnetizes the blood in the Hulk to make him twist I wondering what would happen if someone writes something like that today... PS, of course I know MacGuyver. Together with Supercar and the A-Team, is one of the evergreen tv series even in Italy.
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Post by dlw66 on Sept 30, 2006 16:14:40 GMT -5
Ah, the A-Team. You just can't beat Mr. T!!!
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Post by Engage on Oct 7, 2006 2:22:10 GMT -5
Great run right before the wedding of Johnny and "Alicia", which turned out to be one of the better "not what you think it is" stories of all time with the revelation that "Alicia" was Lyja the Skrull! The scene where they find the real Alicia and she runs right to Ben is heartbreaking! And she was carrying Johnny's... egg. Shockingly, that plot went nowhere fast. DeFalco's run is, IMO, the worst in the book's history but my favourite part of his run is the evolution of the Puppet Master into a sort of pseudo-friend of Ben Grimm. Sort of seems right. To DeFalco's credit, I think a lot of the problems with his run was Ryan's useless art. Its hard to tell a story when its impossible to tell what's happening.
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Post by bobc on Oct 7, 2006 7:55:56 GMT -5
oh god. Lyla the Skrull. Was it really necessary to bring her up? I was having a nice morning...
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Post by dlw66 on Oct 14, 2006 15:52:46 GMT -5
Oh, come off it bob -- she was kinda hot. I mean, for a chick who looked like she'd run chin-first into a chain-link fence...
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Post by Tone-Loc on Oct 14, 2006 17:30:06 GMT -5
First post on these boards, and I wanted to thank this website and all the members here for rekindling my love of the Avengers. I had a subscription back in the late 80's that ran through the New Yellowjacket up until the first couple of issues of the Heavy Metal arc. I was also a subscriber to WCA from for a year up through #24, and managed to get my hands on some of the first 12 issues as well.
I just got the ROM Friday. Amazing! I thought I would start reading from the very beginning, but after a few issues I skipped up to where my old books ran out.
I do have a question... where did this Issue 1.5 come from? That seems to be some sort of new creation? I mean its drawn by Bruce Timm, and i thouroughly enjoyed seeing my Avengers in his style (being a big fan of his from BTAS through JLU). I also noticed that they have put new ads into the old issues as well.
Just curious what brought about this 1.5 issue, if anyone knows.
Thanks!
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Post by dlw66 on Oct 14, 2006 17:36:22 GMT -5
Welcome, and have a little Funky Cold Medina on all us other 80's fans!
The 1.5 issue was just a nice, little treat from Bruce to us. I don't think there was a major impetus for the project -- probably just something he wanted to do and Marvel was smart enough to let him.
I have the ROM and to be honest (as I've said) I interupted my Avenging with issue #16 when I bought the FF ROM. I'm not sure what you speak of when you say "new ads in old comics", because from what I've experienced so far on both products all of the books contained therein are scans. Several of us originally posited that perhaps these discs were shot from negatives or production plates but that is not the case. They are pdf files from actual books. So if you could give a specific issue that I could look up perhaps I'd have some additional insight...
Again, welcome and we'll look forward to your contributions around here. Don't be a stranger!
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Post by dlw66 on Oct 20, 2006 9:20:14 GMT -5
Since I've heard there are DVD-ROMs coming for Thor, Captain America, and Daredevil for sure (with rumors of Iron Man and Hulk), what other compilations in this format would you like to see?
I would like to see them do a couple of specific packages from my youth. Keeping in mind that these discs can contain up to 550 issues (!), I'd love a DVD that had all of the Marvel Team-Up and Marvel Two-In-One series. Next, I'd like a package (they could even call it The Groovy '70's!!!) with the following books included --
Amazing Adventures (Inhumans, Dr. Doom, Beast, Killraven) The Cat The Inhumans The Man Called Nova Super-Villain Team-Up some of Marvel's horror stuff (Tigra, Man-Thing, Dracula, Frankenstein's Monster) some Ka-Zar and Shanna stuff The Champions Ghost Rider Master of Kung Fu The Defenders (although this title stretched quite a ways into the '80's)
Any other opinions?
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Post by Tana Nile on Oct 20, 2006 10:20:16 GMT -5
Since I've heard there are DVD-ROMs coming for Thor, Captain America, and Daredevil for sure (with rumors of Iron Man and Hulk), what other compilations in this format would you like to see? I would like to see them do a couple of specific packages from my youth. Keeping in mind that these discs can contain up to 550 issues (!), I'd love a DVD that had all of the Marvel Team-Up and Marvel Two-In-One series. Next, I'd like a package (they could even call it The Groovy '70's!!!) with the following books included -- Amazing Adventures (Inhumans, Dr. Doom, Beast, Killraven) The Cat The Inhumans The Man Called Nova Super-Villain Team-Up some of Marvel's horror stuff (Tigra, Man-Thing, Dracula, Frankenstein's Monster) some Ka-Zar and Shanna stuff The Champions Ghost Rider Master of Kung Fu The Defenders (although this title stretched quite a ways into the '80's) Any other opinions? I'd like to have Captain Marvel, Warlock (own series and Strange Tales issues), Marvel Premiere (Warlock and Brunner's Dr. Strange at least) all together. I echo your Marvel Two-In-One and Team-up choice. That Project:Pegasus story arc was awesome!
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Post by dlw66 on Oct 20, 2006 11:19:13 GMT -5
Conan, Kull, and Red Sonja would be nice -- showcase of Buscema and Windsor-Smith, plus Frank Thorne . It's too bad Tarzan has been all over the place (Dell, DC, Marvel, Dark Horse) -- that material would make a nice compilation and would showcase Manning, Kubert, Adams, and Buscema! I do appreciate, however, that Dark Horse has been packaging Kubert's work in an Archives hardcover format.
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Post by Shiryu on Oct 23, 2006 3:41:38 GMT -5
All the What ifs would be nice, but there is probably not enough to fill in a DVDs. Question: Iron Man begins on Tales of Suspence and stays there for a good while, even sharing with Cap for a few years, before obtaining his own book. Therefore, if they make an Iron Man dvd, should they include the ToS stories, and if so, should they cut away the Cap's stories, leaving only Tony's ? I'm reading those ToS issues (not saying how I got around them, for Doug's sake ) and they are worth a read, pretty much like the other silver age comics.
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Post by Yellowjacket on Oct 23, 2006 7:16:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I think so. They should include ToS but separate Cap´s stories. After all, they shared the same book for placement reasons, but that´s all. On the other hand there will be the issue with the covers, you´d have Cap covers with IM stories and vice versa.
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Post by dlw66 on Oct 23, 2006 7:42:00 GMT -5
I don't think anyone would mind if the covers were included on each character's respective DVD. I believe this is how they've done it with the Essentials and Masterworks editions, although I don't have any of those to say for certain.
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Post by BigDuke on Oct 26, 2006 14:07:55 GMT -5
Since I've heard there are DVD-ROMs coming for Thor, Captain America, and Daredevil for sure (with rumors of Iron Man and Hulk), what other compilations in this format would you like to see? Any other opinions? I think a combo disc of the Defender, the Champions, and the Invaders to cover the "2nd Tier" super groups would be good, with emphasis on the Invaders (who are surpassed only by the Avengers on my list of favorites).
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Post by Engage on Oct 30, 2006 18:17:55 GMT -5
Mine came just after Canadian Thanksgiving and I'm now somewhere around issue 45. Its interesting to me how the original Avengers, who lasted only 15 issues, are immediately treated as the elder statesman and legends despite the longer stay of Avengers such as Hawkeye.
Also, I'm starting to see why Hercules is such a fun character.
Fun era.
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Post by dlw66 on Oct 30, 2006 18:21:09 GMT -5
That is a great period, and now that Buscema has the reigns in the art dept., it will only get better. Don't bother with the annuals that fit into the time period... #1 was a fun story, but #2, which roughly coincides with issue #56 or so is OK (Baaaaaadd art, though!).
I just love the Bullpen Bulletins, house ads, and the letters pages on the ROMs!
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Post by dlw66 on Nov 1, 2006 13:27:46 GMT -5
I noticed, while perusing the Marvel Masterworks site I recommended over in the "Hanging out online" thread, that the upcoming Avengers Masterworks, Vol. 6, will include X-Men #45 right before Avengers #53. This is a great feature that we need to see in future editions of the ROM collections.
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Post by sharkar on Nov 1, 2006 19:04:31 GMT -5
I noticed, while perusing the Marvel Masterworks site I recommended over in the "Hanging out online" thread, that the upcoming Avengers Masterworks, Vol. 6, will include X-Men #45 right before Avengers #53. This is a great feature that we need to see in future editions of the ROM collections. Also, both stories- - X-Men #45 and Avengers #53- -are contained in the Essential Classic X-Men Vol. 2. And Wanda and Pietro appear in X-Men #43-44 (included in this volume).
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Post by dlw66 on Nov 2, 2006 9:56:14 GMT -5
For those of you who travel in your work:
I generally do not, but this weekend I have to go to Des Moines, Iowa to deliver a teacher inservice. It sure was nice to slip those two DVD cases into one of the outer compartments on my suitcase! Over 1000 issues of Avengers and FF right at my fingertips for the evenings in the hotel!! Very compact.
One of my plans is to finally post regarding boredyesterday's "Know the Classics: Avengers 26-28" thread.
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Post by Engage on Nov 2, 2006 15:03:22 GMT -5
All the What ifs would be nice, but there is probably not enough to fill in a DVDs. Well, there are roughly 200 What Ifs. Maybe for about twenty dollars? Sort of like their "Last Twenty Years of Spider-Man" set. Those seem pretty comparative. I think that the "Last Twenty Years" is interesting. They're willing to break up their product into smaller chunks for less money, which means that some of the smaller stuff could be coming. Maybe a set with Tales to Astonish and the other Mighty Marvel Three Word Title Triumphs. My idea: "Marvel: The Events" featuring the major company crossovers in their complete, company spanning collections? It'd mostly be a collection of those terrible annuals, but it might actually be nice to read one of those stories the whole way through. Could also collect some of the inter books events like the "Avengers/Defenders War". Or maybe base a set on a villain. Dr. Doom and Magneto probably have enough appearances to fill a DVD, and who wouldn't want "40 Years of Doctor Doom"?
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Post by dlw66 on Nov 2, 2006 15:51:40 GMT -5
It's interesting looking at the results from the www.marvelmasterworks.com poll of what consumers want to see collected. The Masterworks are nice volumes, but when you consider that you are paying $55 for 10 issues of continuity, the ROMs seem like such a better deal. I would very much go for a more "thematic" approach to the ROMs, at a lesser cost as you suggested.
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Post by BigDuke on Nov 2, 2006 16:24:00 GMT -5
While it would probably not be cost effective, Marvel could, eventually, have every comic they have published available on DVD. You place your order for which titles you want included on it and they ship it out. That way you could customize your collections of several smaller run titles on one (or several) DVDs. It would probably cost more than the $40 or $50 retail cost right now to get the whole run of Avengers or FF. But it could be a money maker for Marvel on all that old intellectual property.
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Post by von Bek on Nov 3, 2006 9:12:01 GMT -5
I noticed, while perusing the Marvel Masterworks site I recommended over in the "Hanging out online" thread, that the upcoming Avengers Masterworks, Vol. 6, will include X-Men #45 right before Avengers #53. This is a great feature that we need to see in future editions of the ROM collections. Also, both stories- - X-Men #45 and Avengers #53- -are contained in the Essential Classic X-Men Vol. 2. And Wanda and Pietro appear in X-Men #43-44 (included in this volume). In Essential Avengers vol. 4 they didn´t include X-Men 45. But in the good ol´ days one could still undestand the story even with the first part of the crossover missing!
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Post by von Bek on Nov 3, 2006 9:15:20 GMT -5
While it would probably not be cost effective, Marvel could, eventually, have every comic they have published available on DVD. More than 80% of all Marvel (or Atlas) comics ever published are already available on the internet.
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