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Post by dlw66 on May 2, 2006 12:52:10 GMT -5
This collection, called 40 Years of the Avengers, is scheduled to ship tomorrow -- May 3 2006!!
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Post by dlw66 on May 2, 2006 13:22:58 GMT -5
From amazon.com:
Product Description Revisit and relive every Avengers comic book every printed covering over 40 years from September 1963 through December 2005. Over 535 complete printable comics, that's over 19,000 pages including all issues. Read every single page as they were originally published-all the letter pages, pin-ups, bullpen bulletins and every single advertisement.
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Post by Shiryu on May 3, 2006 8:23:53 GMT -5
That's more than enough to make one dribble... I still prefer paper comics, but that would be one great back up !
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Post by Yellowjacket on May 4, 2006 8:55:29 GMT -5
Seems a little bit weird to me that they included these NA issues. Wouldn´t Volume 3 have been an perfect endpoint for the DVD?
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Post by The Night Phantom on May 4, 2006 21:25:16 GMT -5
Seems a little bit weird to me that they included these NA issues. Wouldn´t Volume 3 have been an perfect endpoint for the DVD? You mean, end with the Chuck Austen run?
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Post by Yellowjacket on May 5, 2006 8:09:29 GMT -5
Ok, I see your point. ;D You´re right, accurately I mean end with the resumed Volume 1 end.
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Post by asgardian on May 6, 2006 3:27:09 GMT -5
I always saw this as inevitable. Paper reprints are nice but take up a lot of storage space, and in the case of the Essentials are not in colour. Yes, the old comics were good and I too feel the nostalgia, but times have changed. Trying to keep comics from even the early 80's in a decent condition is now a chore.
Anyway, food for thought.
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Post by Shiryu on May 6, 2006 10:14:44 GMT -5
Who is going to buy it in the end ?
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Post by asgardian on May 6, 2006 23:19:05 GMT -5
Who is going to buy it in the end ? In answer to your question, I think there are added markets out there in the form of females and art students.
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Post by Shiryu on May 7, 2006 8:03:11 GMT -5
I think you misunderstood my question ^^ I was meaning: inside this posting board who is going to buy it ? (so I know where to ask for comments ;D)
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Post by Van Plexico on May 7, 2006 13:54:36 GMT -5
Mine's sitting here on the desk, as I write. While the case's packaging is somewhat amateurish, the design of the DVD is first-rate. Everything's there, and it's crystal-clear. I don't envy the people who had to do all that scanning, though. And, Why include the Bendis issues? Let's see: 1. They're selling better than anything else AVENGERS-related has sold in years (whether most of us like them or not). 2. They can then put Wolverine and Spidey on the cover of the DVD (and of course they did). Presto: $$$ 3. Why not? Why not cram as much right up-to-the-last-minute material into it as possible? And I'm happy about it, because I sold the first year or so's worth of NEW AVENGERS issues before I moved to Singapore last year, so it's nice to have them at hand again. And I prefer this format to the Essentials, I think. Marvel's comics just lose so much when taken to B&W (with the exception of MOON KNIGHT, maybe...). Note that I put a link on the main AvengersAssemble! page, leading to the site of the company that's selling it for nearly half-price. I don't get anything from them; it just seemed like a good thing to do for you folks (and others). And now that my copy has arrived, I can testify that they delivered the goods and in a timely fashion.
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Post by dlw66 on May 7, 2006 14:26:09 GMT -5
Thanks for the head's up on the packaging. I've seen the listing on amazon.com, but there were no cover images. I fully understand your statement about Spidey and Wolverine, maddening as it is...
Let us know after you've gone through it some more if you find that you still really like it, any bugs in it, etc.
My birthday is in June -- this will be prominently featured on my wishlist!!!
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Post by spiderwasp on May 7, 2006 18:53:40 GMT -5
I'm not a huge fan of the current Avengers situation but it still amazes me that people have complained about the inclusion of the issues in the collection. Why complain about getting more for your money when you could just opt to not read those issues of you don't like them.
I do wish they would have not included Wolverine on the box however.
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Post by Shiryu on May 8, 2006 8:13:36 GMT -5
My birthday has been a short while ago, but I'm sure I can find an occasion to put this dvd in my whishlist ;D I just hope they can send it across the ocean without increasing the price too much.
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Post by Yellowjacket on May 8, 2006 8:59:32 GMT -5
I will buy it, but can of course nothing say about it yet. But I´m not even thinking about to sell my collection (never! , but I think the DVD will come helpful for (fast) inquiries (last but not least for my own reviews). What I liked to now: what data format have the comics? Is it pdf or something else?
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Post by Van Plexico on May 8, 2006 10:09:18 GMT -5
It's in PDF, yeah.
I could've sworn I mentioned that before. Ah well!
(And the colors are very vivid-- as if the comics scanned had been printed on glossy paper, instead of the old crappy stuff we all (okay, some of us!) remember dealing with, back in the day. Still not sure how they pulled that off...)
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Post by von Bek on May 8, 2006 12:59:58 GMT -5
It's in PDF, yeah. I could've sworn I mentioned that before. Ah well! PDF!! Aaargh!!!! Good that I still have that program that converts PDF to CBR-CBZ ;D The miracles of Photoshop...
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Post by Shiryu on May 9, 2006 8:36:15 GMT -5
I don't think they have scanned every single page of 500 ish Avengers books. A long long while ago I read an article explaining how a book is printed, and a copy used to be automatically kept on negatives or something like that. They probably just "cleaned" these negatives (or whatever they are) to make the colors more vibrant, probably using photoshop. I believe it's the same process they use for Masterworks, that are then printed on good quality paper, resulting in a better product compared to the original ones.
And now another question: is there any kind of menu to browse the DVD ?
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Post by dlw66 on May 9, 2006 8:52:35 GMT -5
Concerning reprints with more vibrant colors: Do you think that some books look better in the darker, somewhat muddy look of old newsprint paper? Not all books, but some. Daredevil, Batman come to mind... I think sometimes the colors, particularly in the Masterworks but not as much in DC's Archives, are TOO vibrant.
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Post by Shiryu on May 9, 2006 9:11:03 GMT -5
Well, possibly. Some books need a dark atmosphere and dark tones. However, I would prefer that being done with the appropriate use of colors and shadows rathen then with printing on old papers. Most graphics softwares have a "darken" option which can come in handy in such situations.
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Post by Yellowjacket on May 10, 2006 6:49:01 GMT -5
Concerning reprints with more vibrant colors: Do you think that some books look better in the darker, somewhat muddy look of old newsprint paper? Not all books, but some. Daredevil, Batman come to mind... I think sometimes the colors, particularly in the Masterworks but not as much in DC's Archives, are TOO vibrant. I think this is definitley a factor with the old comics and their paper. Not only with "dark" stories but in general. In Germany we had already in the 70s the switch from a lower paper quality (but still better than that of the US books) to a glossy paper (but not as good as the glossy papers of today). And, although the comics were new colored for the german publishing, I think the later stories on glossy paper don´t look as good as they would have on the older paper. Another example would be the german TPB reprints of the first part of Byrne´s FF run - printed on glossy paper. This series wasn´t coninued so I did buy from FF 250 on the US books - and I can clearly say the art in the german TPB´s doesn´t (not nearly) look as good as it does in the original US books. So, I think the old issues look best on their pristine paper, at least when the printing process wasn´t flawed.
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Post by Shiryu on May 10, 2006 8:50:15 GMT -5
Interesting... Makes me wonder if the artists actually considered the quality of the paper their stories would have been printed on, and somehow adapted their style a bit.
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Alaric
New Avenger
Fear the A!
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Post by Alaric on May 27, 2006 8:03:44 GMT -5
Hi there- I'm new to these boards. I ordered my copy last week from Barnes & Noble (using a gift card), and, to me pleasant surprise, recieved it a couple of days later. I've been reading it ever since. The format isn't bad, once you get used to it, and it sure takes up a lot less space than all those comics would...
Much as I'm enjoying it, I wish they had included GIANT_SIZE AVENGERS and WEST COAST AVENGERS/AVENGERS WEST COAST- their decision not to include the latter is kind of ironic, considering the image they're using to represent the Avengers in the '80s...
I should point out that I've been an Avengers fan since some time in the mid-to-late '70s, I haven't bought comics since the early '90s (aside from the JLA/Avengers series and book, and a few comics written by on-line friends...), I got rid of my comic collection a few years ago, and have gotten heavily into comic-related things again in the last few years (ironically, starting around the time I got rid of my collection...). For me, this Avengers collection is almost perfect- the only problem being the omissions mentioned above.
It's fascinating to read those early issues (I've managed to read through issue 53 now, including the first Special/Annual), and pick up a lot of interesting bits and pieces. For example, I hadn't realized that Zemo was never actually called BARON Zemo durring any of his appearances. It's also interesting to see that, even towards the end of the '60s, Captain America's shield was not considered indestructable, that Rick Jones appeared, as an AVenger, if not a full-fledged one, on the covers of Avengers 5-8, that when the Enchantress created Power Man, she apparently saw the team of herself and Power Man as a continuation of the Masters of Evil, and many, many other little tidbits of information.
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Post by Shiryu on May 27, 2006 8:10:37 GMT -5
Welcome among us, Alaric I've only read the early Avengers issue through reviews so far, but I understand what you mean, there are a lot of tiny things that it's nice to pick up in the very early issues, especially compering to how things became later. I didn't know WCA was not included in the DVD, that's a pity. Wonder if it was a space problem that made them take this decision.
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Post by dlw66 on May 30, 2006 8:05:50 GMT -5
Whoa -- I thought the GS's were included!! That really stinks for those who buy this and wonder what the heck is going on during the Celestial Madonna storyline!!!!! There were three GS's as integral chapters of that story!
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Post by Shiryu on May 30, 2006 8:26:17 GMT -5
I guess they can be easily downloaded from the internet. Still it's a pity, such collections should be complete.
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Post by Yellowjacket on Jun 7, 2006 7:23:30 GMT -5
I didn't know WCA was not included in the DVD, that's a pity. Wonder if it was a space problem that made them take this decision. That may be the reason for dropping WCA and GS #1 to #4 (I don´t know how much space on the dvd is used/left), but it´s in no way an excuse for dropping the GS books - they´re not only great stories but like dlw66 said they´re essential for the Celestial Madonna/Kang storyline. A shame if some marketing people decided to drop GS in favor for NA, especially when the end of volume 3/1 would have been some ideal punch line.
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Post by Shiryu on Jun 7, 2006 8:08:51 GMT -5
The more I think about it, the more it looks like they just stored all "Avengers" in the dvd, without thinking of the possible links and crossovers with GS or WCA. I think there was at least one Avengers annual that ended in WCA annual, and it's now cut in two.
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Post by dlw66 on Jun 21, 2006 10:52:18 GMT -5
I have ordered my copy from digitalcomics.biz, which Van had recommended. I'll let you know when it arrives and give a review. I'm also planning to get the FF DVD-ROM, and I'd like to get the Spidey collection as well.
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Post by Engage on Jun 25, 2006 0:28:13 GMT -5
I got the Fantastic Four set by ordering it in at a local shop, but I'd like a cheaper option for the Avengers set.
The website on the main page kind of freaks me out though. Between the price, the lack of information and the lack of a security thing on their ordering page it seems a little off.
I'm sure its fine, but I just wish that there was a little more on the site. Has anyone else gotten the set from them?
The Fantastic Four set, by the way, is awesome. I'm only in the mid-sixties and I've just gotten through the Wedding/Inhumans/Galactus run. It rocks.
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