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Post by bobc on Apr 25, 2012 9:25:28 GMT -5
I was able to comprehend the various episodes in between bouts of drooling and bumping into the furniture.
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Post by drew on Apr 29, 2012 1:58:18 GMT -5
I heard the Avengers movie was quite good, and a certain madman shows up at the end... no spoilers though.
YJ took a very strange turn; essentially the series picks up five years after the previous episode. Beast Boy, Blue Beetle, Bumblebee, Batgirl, Wonder girl and Lagoon Boy are now on the team with no explanation. Zatanna and Rocket are now in the JLA. Artemis, Red Arrow, Speedy, Kid Flash, and Aqualad are all gone for reasons unknown. Tim Drake is now Robin, while Dick Grayson is now Nightwing. Jason Todd and Cyborg aren't mentioned. Lobo shows up and reveals aliens have secretly infiltrated Earth. (Wow, that's original. I wonder what other show has that same storyline unfolding right now?) I know animation is done way in advance and this probably a coincidence, but it's still lame. Do I like the retooled YJ? It's alright, it's a bit jarring throwing in so many new characters and dropping older ones with no exposition seems odd. I hope they'll eventually reveal this is just a possible version of YJ, sort of like a Days of Future Past kind of thing. I'll keep watching for now, but if things stay this way with so many unanswered questions I might have to drop the show. At least Thundercats was awesome.
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Post by ultron69 on Apr 29, 2012 17:40:56 GMT -5
Yeah, YJ had me thinking I'd stepped into another world until almost halfway through when they mentioned that it was 5 years later. Interesting, and it was great to see all of those new Titans (and Adam Strange) but also weird, like Drew said. You're right, Drew, the new lineup is jarring, and assuming this is permanent, will take some getting used to. But I liked it. I liked Nightwing mentoring Robin. What's up with Lagoon Boy dating Miss Martian, though? You're also right that an alien infiltration is nothing new, in fact it's a bit old, but I'm fine with it, as long as it's well done and entertaining. Like you said, its similarity to the Avengers storyline is probably just a coincidence, however unfortunate. I have to admit, I had to look up Lagoon Boy, and I'm not really familiar with Rocket or Icon either. That's OK, though. Also, I assume they will either fill us in gradually, or this is just a two or three part thing. Anyway, I like this almost as much as EMH, so I will give YJ a long leash before I consider dumping it.
Avengers was good, but by no means the best episode. It had the feel of a fill-in issue. Not that that is necessarily a bad thing.
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Post by drew on Apr 30, 2012 0:22:13 GMT -5
I agree Ultron, the Miss Martian Lagoon Boy thing was the part I was like wtf? I assumed I'd missed a few episodes (maybe more than a few.) Lagoon Boy was a back up character in Erik Larsen's mercifully short run on Aquaman, and then the character stuck around as cameos every once in a while. Icon and Rocket I'm not especially familiar with, I know they were part of the Milestone universe and eventually folded into the DCU, which was then rebooted several times so now it's hard telling what is going on. Icon is basically Superman as near as I can tell, and the JLA already have several powerhouses so he seems a bit redundant. My theory is that the YJ team dispatched to Rann will figure out some way to Zeta beam to the past and stop the league members who attacked Rann, somehow resetting the timeline. I guess it bothered me because yeah, I've read quite a few Teen Titans comics over the years but the last few years were just painful, as the constant recruitment/other responsibilites/death/major events all lead to a book that felt schizophrenic on a good day. Sub-plots would be introduced then quickly and permanently forgotten. It was very frustrating; and I read both X-men and the Legion titles and could generally follow them without too much trouble. Part of having a good comic/ show is letting us get to know the characters, which can't happen if the line-up isn't somewhat stable.
Onto EMH, yes I'd like seeing the invasion storyline move forward, at least a little. I love Hank Pym but absolutely nothing was done with him. I thought near the end he'd become Yellowjacket, because we all know it's going to happen eventually. I suspect he'll have to see Janet get hurt to push him back into action. I wanted to be excited about Luke Cage and Iron Fist, but they are on USM so it wasn't really anything new. I didn't recognize any of the villains other than Crossfire, and even he was altered. A bad guy has to be pretty obscure for me to never even have heard of them, so that was a bit strange. Why can Scott Lang not grow to giant size? That was never explained. Did Hank disable that feature? Why not just destroy the suit? It was just a pretty good episode but not a great one. It seemed like treading water to me.
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Post by ultron69 on Apr 30, 2012 7:14:39 GMT -5
Drew, you're making the recent Titans sound like the X-Men, LOL. Seriously, tohugh, I've only paid passing attention to the comics recently but by all I can tell, you're quite right. Your theory on YJ sounds very reasonable, as what possible reason could they have to jump ahead 5 years unless they were going to somehow fix the past? I wonder if Adam Strange will become the real Adam Strange as a result of this story. They probably won't have time to work that in.
Regarding EMH, I haven't been watching USM, so for me it was great to see "don't call me" Power Man and Iron Fist. Iron Fist sure sounds like he wants to join the Avengers. Maybe this will happen at some point. This episode was a bit different in that it hardly had any Avengers in it. Like you, I hadn't heard of any of those bad guys, and I meant to go online to try to look them up but forgot. It was good to see Scott Lang, and I thought they did a pretty good job with him. As far as him growing giant size, well, he didn't have that power in the comics, at least not for a while, so maybe the'yre going with that. Perhaps the on screen explanation is that he just doesn't know how to grow giant size? I suspect it's more likely that Hank just disabled that feature. I think shrinking and growing are separate powers, so just because Scott stole one, doesn't mean he got the other.
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Post by bobc on Apr 30, 2012 7:44:08 GMT -5
I didn't see this episode but from the sounds of things it may be that the creative fire is out. An EMH with hardly any Avengers in it and grade z villains is not what got me interested in this series in the first place.
By the way I am slowly but surely getting my friends to watch EMH on Youtube, and every single one loves it. I went back and watched the Ultron episodes--man, he is really scary.
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Post by ultron69 on Apr 30, 2012 9:47:16 GMT -5
Good job on getting new recruits, bobc!
I'm hoping last week was just a filler and we'll be back to normal soon. After all, they've got this Skrull invasion thing to sort out, and I wonder if the Fantastic Four will show up for some of that.
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Post by bobc on Apr 30, 2012 10:42:47 GMT -5
Thanks! I do what I can!
Re: one shot stories. I am currently obsessed with the series Mad men--and the main reason I even noticed that show was because I would flip through channels at night, and any time I'd light on Mad Men, I'd get engrossed. It didn't matter if I knew what had come before--it just grabbed me because the writing, art direction and performances were so strong. In fact, those couple of episodes I saw led me to go buy the complete seasons on DVD. I think EMH has the same quality standard--you can enjoy a single episode regardless, and if anything that makes you want to see more episodes. I agree that people's attention spans are increasingly short, but great writing can overcome that.
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Post by drew on Apr 30, 2012 12:24:58 GMT -5
bobc I'm not giving up hope yet, and the movie is right around the corner, so we'll see. What demoralized me was seeing Taskmaster in USM, when I'd love to see him fighting Captain America, Hawkeye, and even the Hulk or Iron Man on EMH. Bob, when I introduce ANYONE that is into comics/sci-fi/ role-playing or even have young kids to EMH they completely fall in love and generally want to buy the DVDS (or borrow mine.) What's not to love? A fully realized, faithful Avengers cartoon, with all the best elements of Stan, Jack, Roy Thomas, John Buscema, George Perez, Jim Shooter, and too many others to mention? That's something very special. It's not a lack of interest, it's a lack of awareness that is keeping this show from being a monster hit. Like you, if some show catches my eye or if a friend recommends it I'll at least check it out. FX is running a Marvel Movie Marathon leading up to the Avengers movie, why isn't EMH being afforded the same courtesy? To be fair to this weeks' EMH, I think it was a tip of the hat towards John Byrne and his work on Heroes for Hire/and his Avengers run, which I'm not really familiar with. I'm sure someone out there was tickled pink; that just wasn't me this week. Ultron I may be mistaken, but wasn't it somewhat established that Pym particles are detrimental to most humans long term? Then came Bill Foster, Cassie Lang, Atlas, etc. It's a bit like the Atom, where his power/equipment ONLY works for him/her, until it doesn't. So if Hank scaled back the powers in the Ant-man suit (because Hank had many problems with going big that makes sense) it still bears mentioning. Meanwhile it was cool to see an inexperienced Ant- Man kick butt.
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Post by ultron69 on Apr 30, 2012 13:40:17 GMT -5
Drew, I know that Pym particles were very detrimental to Hank's health, but then Clint became Goliath/Giant-Man for a while and this effect was never mentioned. In fact, I'd assumed that it was specifically Hank that had a problem with the particles. I don't recall Bill Foster having trouble with going big (though battling Atom-Smasher didn't do his health any good) though I guess Bill Foster duplicated Pym's formula so it could be slightly different. However, you may be right that it was somewhat established that Pym particles are detrimental to most humans long term though if so, this probably happened after I had stopped collecting comics aroun 1989-1990, and I'd have missed it.
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Post by bobc on Apr 30, 2012 16:30:25 GMT -5
I know whatcha mean, Drew. I have yet to hear one person dog EMH. It is dying a slow death by lack of publicity. Sad.
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Post by humanbelly on Apr 30, 2012 18:41:10 GMT -5
Drew, I know that Pym particles were very detrimental to Hank's health, but then Clint became Goliath/Giant-Man for a while and this effect was never mentioned. In fact, I'd assumed that it was specifically Hank that had a problem with the particles. I don't recall Bill Foster having trouble with going big (though battling Atom-Smasher didn't do his health any good) though I guess Bill Foster duplicated Pym's formula so it could be slightly different. However, you may be right that it was somewhat established that Pym particles are detrimental to most humans long term though if so, this probably happened after I had stopped collecting comics aroun 1989-1990, and I'd have missed it. There was a story sometime in the 90's that did deal with all of the folks who, at that point, had had more than just a brush with Pym Particles. It was a crossover which had at least half of its installments in the Avengers title, in fact. But it was hard to follow, since I never got whatever title the other installments were in, and the art and writing were substandard. It had the feel of a half-baked, extended filler issue--- that just went on and on. I seem to recall Scott Lang, Tigra, Bill Foster and Erik Josten all being involved and their survival endangered-- but I can't recall the specifics at all. I do remember that it reinforced the idea of Pym Particles posing a serious potential hazard to one's health, though. And that story idea is really solid, I like it a lot. It just wasn't deftly executed at all. HB
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Post by humanbelly on Apr 30, 2012 19:02:19 GMT -5
Thanks! I do what I can! Re: one shot stories. I am currently obsessed with the series Mad men--and the main reason I even noticed that show was because I would flip through channels at night, and any time I'd light on Mad Men, I'd get engrossed. It didn't matter if I knew what had come before--it just grabbed me because the writing, art direction and performances were so strong. In fact, those couple of episodes I saw led me to go buy the complete seasons on DVD. I think EMH has the same quality standard--you can enjoy a single episode regardless, and if anything that makes you want to see more episodes. I agree that people's attention spans are increasingly short, but great writing can overcome that. And, unless a show/story is uber-complex (like LOST or LEGION OF SUPERHEROES or I, CLAUDIUS), people have always managed to jump on board. And even with the aforementioned complex tales, people will still tend to jump in as often as not if those stories are being well-told or well-produced. As you said, bobc, great writing will almost always result in a reaction of "I want to find out more about what I've missed", rather than "Oh, I missed part of it. Well, better skip the whole thing. . ." Clearly Disney/Marvel Animation is operating in fear of the latter, rather than trusting in the historical precedent of the former. It's a very snively, shallow gameplan that really insults the target audience, if one thinks about it at all: Either the audience isn't worth putting the effort forth for-- or the audience is too simple-minded to follow a good, serialized story. Rggh. HB
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Post by ultron69 on May 1, 2012 7:22:23 GMT -5
Drew, I know that Pym particles were very detrimental to Hank's health, but then Clint became Goliath/Giant-Man for a while and this effect was never mentioned. In fact, I'd assumed that it was specifically Hank that had a problem with the particles. I don't recall Bill Foster having trouble with going big (though battling Atom-Smasher didn't do his health any good) though I guess Bill Foster duplicated Pym's formula so it could be slightly different. However, you may be right that it was somewhat established that Pym particles are detrimental to most humans long term though if so, this probably happened after I had stopped collecting comics aroun 1989-1990, and I'd have missed it. There was a story sometime in the 90's that did deal with all of the folks who, at that point, had had more than just a brush with Pym Particles. It was a crossover which had at least half of its installments in the Avengers title, in fact. But it was hard to follow, since I never got whatever title the other installments were in, and the art and writing were substandard. It had the feel of a half-baked, extended filler issue--- that just went on and on. I seem to recall Scott Lang, Tigra, Bill Foster and Erik Josten all being involved and their survival endangered-- but I can't recall the specifics at all. I do remember that it reinforced the idea of Pym Particles posing a serious potential hazard to one's health, though. And that story idea is really solid, I like it a lot. It just wasn't deftly executed at all. HB Ah, thanks for the info, HB! The 90's, especially for Marvel, are a black hole for me. I stopped colleting comics around 1990, and in getting caught up in the past few years, have found virtually nothing Marvel did in the 90's worth reading. So, it would make sense that I would be completely ignorant of this.
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Post by drew on May 1, 2012 7:37:29 GMT -5
Thanks for the heads up HB. I vaguely remember that story but it was so crappy I stayed away. The first time I remember seeing Giant Man/Goliath it was during Galactic Storm, and that was Clint, so obviously I had a lot of homework to do. Over time didn't Hank internalize the Pym particles, during the plain clothes Dr. Pym phase? So if Pym, Cassie Lang, Bill Foster, et al can summon up some giant size in a pinch, why can't Hawkeye? For that matter, why couldn't Pym shrink Bill Foster's corpse down to normal size? This is all no-prize territory people, so feel free to chip in. I'm willing to accept that the Pym particles were perfected or stabilized at some point, but jeez. bobc, You're right as always. I pick up many good shows on my own but I'm frequently recommended stuff I might like. I finally checked out Mad Men and wow I'm excited now. A friend at work recently turned me on to Dexter (he gave me his copy of season 1) and you might like it, though it is a bit morbid. I'm looking forward to Breaking Bad and A Game of Thrones. You're exactly on the money about good writing; I follow anything Louis C.K. does because although it's usually kind of depressing, it's good stuff and it rings true, at least to me.
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Post by bobc on May 1, 2012 7:42:02 GMT -5
Agreed, HB. I don't think people are as dumb as Loeb obviously thinks we are.
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Post by bobc on May 1, 2012 7:51:06 GMT -5
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Post by humanbelly on May 1, 2012 8:34:53 GMT -5
Man, that's an almost absurdly glowing review-! I don't have a link for it, but the National Review (of all publications) had one that was similarly giddy with enthusiasm & praise. I believe there have already been "backlash" reviews by blogger/journalists who naturally want to make their mark by vehemently not going along with the mainstream. And sadly, there are plenty of bozos out there who rise to the bait and attack said reviewers personally, creating an inane "controversy" over something that is really nothing more than a matter of personal taste. Ohhhhh, it makes me crazy. . . HB
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Post by bobc on May 1, 2012 9:21:37 GMT -5
I work with enough hipsters that I completely ignore their online bleating. I want the movie to be good--if it is not good, it'll be bad for Avengers fans all the way around in terms of making more super hero movies.
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Post by drew on May 1, 2012 17:13:07 GMT -5
Guys, the movie is good. Our European friends got to see it early. I don't want to spoil anything, but the Cosmic Cube is central to the story, Loki always has a scheme and allies himself with the Chitauri ( the Skrulls) to defeat Shield with the prize being Earth. Being a Marvel property, the heroes have a lot of in-fighting and ultimately unite to save the day. The only criticism I could leverage is that there is a lull in the middle, when everyone is arguing. That's about it. It's kind of a combination of classic Marvel, Ultimate Marvel, and EMH, and it works really well. Joss Whedon took what could have been a colossal trainwreck and made it work. There was personal conflict, actual conflict, some interpersonal tension (Hawkeye and Black Widow) some cool special effects, drama... the whole shebang. And, I'm pretty sure it's safe for kids. (I don't have any so that isn't my call.) It's pretty much perfect. Is it a little paint-by-numbers? Maybe, but I've already read all those stories, so actually any kind of "surprise!" would have likely turned me off. It's true enough to the source material while fufilling the blockbuster movie role. It's actually the perfect Avengers movie you hope for but never figure you'll get. Well, it's here and we got it. Michael Bay should take notes because this is how it's done right. Honestly, just ...wow.
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Post by Shiryu on May 1, 2012 18:44:02 GMT -5
Let's use the new movie section to discuss the film, or Van will use repulsor blasts and Mjolnir blows on our heads Going back to the cartoon, it looks like this early part of season 2 is focused on introducing as many new characters as possible. In 5 episodes, we had the FF, War Machine, Ms Marvel, Luke Cage and Iron Fist. I quite like the idea, but the downside is that we haven't really seen the Avengers all that much so far. What do you think?
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Post by humanbelly on May 1, 2012 18:54:56 GMT -5
Let's use the new movie section to discuss the film, or Van will use repulsor blasts and Mjolnir blows on our heads ? Ah, you're right, Shir, you're right-- my sincerest apologies. I must confess that I really keep tabs on the posts solely via the "50 most recent posts" link, so it's all-too-easy to unwittingly follow a minor tangent and take it into the next county. . . ;D HB
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Post by drew on May 1, 2012 22:42:14 GMT -5
Next weeks EMH features the Guardians of the Galaxy. I spotted Star lord, Groot, and Rocket Raccoon! It looks like fun. I gotta agree Shir, I think the point is to introduce all these new heroes so when the Skrull invasion is repulsed by every hero on Earth we aren't saying "War Machine? who the heck is that guy?"or something similiar.
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Post by ultron69 on May 2, 2012 8:07:35 GMT -5
Man, that's an almost absurdly glowing review-! I don't have a link for it, but the National Review (of all publications) had one that was similarly giddy with enthusiasm & praise. I believe there have already been "backlash" reviews by blogger/journalists who naturally want to make their mark by vehemently not going along with the mainstream. And sadly, there are plenty of bozos out there who rise to the bait and attack said reviewers personally, creating an inane "controversy" over something that is really nothing more than a matter of personal taste. Ohhhhh, it makes me crazy. . . HB Sadly, whenever something is popular, there will always be people decrying it as "overrated". Sometimes they're right, but often they just want attention.
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Post by ultron69 on May 2, 2012 8:10:28 GMT -5
Next weeks EMH features the Guardians of the Galaxy. I spotted Star lord, Groot, and Rocket Raccoon! It looks like fun. I gotta agree Shir, I think the point is to introduce all these new heroes so when the Skrull invasion is repulsed by every hero on Earth we aren't saying "War Machine? who the heck is that guy?"or something similiar. Oh, that is awesome!!! ;D I'm not into newer comics all that much, but one recent Marvel title I did enjoy a lot was Guardians of the Galaxy. I love the original, Bronze Age Guardians as well, but the newer title, with Rocket Raccoon, added the fun back in comics, something that is all too rare these days. And, yes, I'm a sucker for large casts. If there is a battle royale with the Skrulls, I hope to see a lot of obscure superheroes!
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Post by Doctor Bong Crosby on May 2, 2012 15:55:13 GMT -5
I might be nitpicking, but I can´t help rolling my eyes every time I hear the new EMH intro calling Thor "the prince of thunder"... .It just doesn´t sit well with me. No, no, no... Thor´s the god of thunder! Have we let the so-called PC impoverish us so that, in the name of respect for other people´s belief systems, we balk from dwelling in the beautiful worlds of fantasy and mythology...? It´d be a sad day if indeed that´s the case. In my book this whole PC business is getting farcically out of hand. It would seem weird to me if this turned out to be an imposition from Disney Above, since not so long ago they produced a film and a TV cartoon about a teen-aged Hercules, and I´m pretty sure they had gods aplenty left and right on that one... . An that show´s target audience were actually young children, unlike EMH. Why, then, such sudden timidity...? I have a similiar beef when it comes to having Cap fight Hydra during WW II instead of the nazis. Suddenly it´s better to rewrite WW II´s history than to mention Hitler and his followers... . I´m not sure this is any less insulting than the offence they supposedly want to avoid in the first place. All this, mind you, after roughly 50 years of stories which told us otherwise. Oh, well, maybe I´m just ranting... . Sorry if that´s the case.
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Post by Doctor Bong Crosby on May 2, 2012 16:31:30 GMT -5
Drew, I know that Pym particles were very detrimental to Hank's health, but then Clint became Goliath/Giant-Man for a while and this effect was never mentioned. In fact, I'd assumed that it was specifically Hank that had a problem with the particles. I don't recall Bill Foster having trouble with going big (though battling Atom-Smasher didn't do his health any good) though I guess Bill Foster duplicated Pym's formula so it could be slightly different. However, you may be right that it was somewhat established that Pym particles are detrimental to most humans long term though if so, this probably happened after I had stopped collecting comics aroun 1989-1990, and I'd have missed it. Actually, if I recall correctly, there is a very old issue (and I DO mean old...), where the Avengers have to rescue a seriously ill Tony Stark from Kang´s clutches and later on the Grandmaster´s Squadron Sinister makes it´s debut. There the Avengers fight Kang´s Growing Man android for the first time. Clint was Goliath; he tries to match the android´s growing rate and grows far bigger than he had previously gone, only to start feeling the adverse effects of such course of action. In fact, the Growing Man (who´s a bit of a smart mouth) explained to him that, as a human being, Clint had limits, which he had exceeded, as to how much he could safely grow in size, whereas he, as an artificial man, knew not such limitations.
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Post by humanbelly on May 2, 2012 16:50:37 GMT -5
Drew, I know that Pym particles were very detrimental to Hank's health, but then Clint became Goliath/Giant-Man for a while and this effect was never mentioned. In fact, I'd assumed that it was specifically Hank that had a problem with the particles. I don't recall Bill Foster having trouble with going big (though battling Atom-Smasher didn't do his health any good) though I guess Bill Foster duplicated Pym's formula so it could be slightly different. However, you may be right that it was somewhat established that Pym particles are detrimental to most humans long term though if so, this probably happened after I had stopped collecting comics aroun 1989-1990, and I'd have missed it. Actually, if I recall correctly, there is a very old issue (and I DO mean old...), where the Avengers have to rescue a seriously ill Tony Stark from Kang´s clutches and later on the Grandmaster´s Squadron Sinister makes it´s debut. There the Avengers fight Kang´s Growing Man android for the first time. Clint was Goliath; he tries to match the android´s growing rate and grows far bigger than he had previously gone, only to start feeling the adverse effects of such course of action. In fact, the Growing Man (who´s a bit of a smart mouth) explained to him that, as a human being, Clint had limits, which he had exceeded, as to how much he could safely grow in size, whereas he, as an artificial man, knew not such limitations. Yep, yep-- it was around issues #69 or 70-ish. But the upper-size limitations had led to disaster a few years before that, even. Hank spent a good chunk of time as the team's "tragic" figure-- stuck at a 10' (sometimes 12'-- they lost track) height after remaining too big for too long in the heat of battle. Oh wow-- and we're so far off-thread here, again. . . ! I just relish chewing the fat on this kind of stuff. Shir, how do we better serve the constituents, here? ;D HB
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Post by bobc on May 2, 2012 16:56:33 GMT -5
Bongsy--that doesn't bother me, since Thor is technically a prince. But what does sort of bug me is how the Black Panther is always called Prince T'Challa, when he stopped being that in 1965. Oh well--who cares.
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Post by ultron69 on May 3, 2012 13:17:14 GMT -5
Drew, I know that Pym particles were very detrimental to Hank's health, but then Clint became Goliath/Giant-Man for a while and this effect was never mentioned. In fact, I'd assumed that it was specifically Hank that had a problem with the particles. I don't recall Bill Foster having trouble with going big (though battling Atom-Smasher didn't do his health any good) though I guess Bill Foster duplicated Pym's formula so it could be slightly different. However, you may be right that it was somewhat established that Pym particles are detrimental to most humans long term though if so, this probably happened after I had stopped collecting comics aroun 1989-1990, and I'd have missed it. Actually, if I recall correctly, there is a very old issue (and I DO mean old...), where the Avengers have to rescue a seriously ill Tony Stark from Kang´s clutches and later on the Grandmaster´s Squadron Sinister makes it´s debut. There the Avengers fight Kang´s Growing Man android for the first time. Clint was Goliath; he tries to match the android´s growing rate and grows far bigger than he had previously gone, only to start feeling the adverse effects of such course of action. In fact, the Growing Man (who´s a bit of a smart mouth) explained to him that, as a human being, Clint had limits, which he had exceeded, as to how much he could safely grow in size, whereas he, as an artificial man, knew not such limitations. Yeah, but that doesn't mean that growing giant sized via Pym particles is generally harmful to Clint. It's just that he grew too big (and maybe too fast) thus pushing the limits of what he could do. Heck, anybody with a super power could feel woozy if he/she pushes himself/herself too much. I have to say, Doc, that is one heck of a memory you have! I read that story probably no more than 3 years ago but it sure didn't pop into my head.
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