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Post by drew on Oct 23, 2012 12:01:20 GMT -5
I would have loved to see Ultron Mark 12, the good Ultron who had evolved in his programming and wanted to reconcile with Hank Pym. I really liked it years ago when (Kurt Busiek I think) revealed Ultrons program was based on Hank, and the resulting guilt led to his breakdowns. EMH made good use of that, with Hank being a dreamer and Ultron being his practical side. Yellow Jacket is great, especially when there is some sort of disaster and some random character grabs YJ and says "we need Hank Pym now!"
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Post by ultron69 on Oct 24, 2012 8:01:22 GMT -5
Drew, I liked Ultron Mark 12, too! I think that there must be some goodness in Ultron somewhere, if he's somewhat based on either Hank or Simon.
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Post by drew on Nov 19, 2012 7:36:37 GMT -5
Does anyone have an idea of when Avengers Assemble! will air? I at least plan on giving it a shot.
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Post by Marvel Boy on May 2, 2013 10:20:47 GMT -5
According to a flyer I received in the mail along with my copy of Avengers #10, the new cartoon Avengers Assemble is set to premiere Sunday May 26th at 11am on DisneyXD.
Judging by the picture, roster seems to include Iron Man, Cap, Thor, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Hulk, and Falcon.
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Post by ultron69 on May 14, 2013 6:49:31 GMT -5
Cool. Thanks for the info, Marvel Boy.
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Post by starfoxxx on May 20, 2013 16:08:47 GMT -5
I picked up AVENGERS :EMH DVDs #5 and #6 from my local library, and spent a rainy weekend checking them out.
This cartoon was so well done: as an Avenger-phile, I can't believe how good AV:EMH was. I especially liked the Power Man/Iron Fist/Ant-man episode. Each character personality is spot-on, these creators really know why and what makes the Avengers so great.
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Post by ultron69 on May 21, 2013 6:32:33 GMT -5
Yes, Starfooxx. Too bad so many of the writers of the actual comics don't share that ability.
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Post by Shiryu on May 21, 2013 13:51:14 GMT -5
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Post by drew on May 22, 2013 5:22:49 GMT -5
Just got done watching it. First things first: It's only the first episode, which tend to be a little rough. It's not fair to compare it to EMH, but EMH was canceled for this so I will anyway.
The voice acting isn't as good. The character designs/color schemes just seem off. They aren't bad, it just seems like the Hulk should be a different shade of green, have a less human face, etc. They went with the movie design of Hawkeye, which was expected, missing an opportunity to utilize the classic costume in 1 of only 2 mediums in which it could work. It felt rushed, like too much was crammed in to make the 20 minute deadline. The story, by Man of Action, is not up to his usual quality. It's assumed we've seen the movie, because no one is introduced except maybe the Falcon, and even then just barely. And the part with the War Machine armor seemed a little insulting, but I don't want to spoil anything so I'll leave that alone for now. I knew Iron Man was and probably be the main focus of the series but that HUD viewpoint is used waaaay too much, and obscures what is going on sometimes with the reticules and whatnot that are basically there to look cool.
So, it is okay so far, but just okay. It feels like too many people had input on this instead of telling the story organically. It has potential. It's just a shame EMH had to rush it's last few episodes to make room for something that is so far inferior.
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Post by ultron69 on May 22, 2013 6:53:05 GMT -5
I will have to ckeck this out. Thanks for the link Shiryu! Consider yourself exalted. :-)
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Post by Shiryu on May 25, 2013 13:45:51 GMT -5
Thank you, Ultron I've just watched it, and I agree with Drew's comment of there being too much crammed in one episode. The Falcon in particular seems out of place and would benefit for much more screen time. I'm also no big fan of the new look of Modok. Still, it's only episode 1, so I'm going to stick around for a while and see how the series develops.
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Post by drew on May 26, 2013 1:55:24 GMT -5
Apparently later this year a new Hulk show will start, featuring Hulk, She Hulk, Red Hulk and A-bomb, who is Rick Jones but he can turn into an Abomination like gamma monster. It sounds pretty dumb but I guess we'll see.
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Post by badgermaniac on May 26, 2013 10:56:16 GMT -5
I can't tell you how disappointed I was in "Avengers Assemble". The pacing of the show was terrible. Some of the characterization was poor. The plotlines were ridiculous. It was far too Iron Man centric. Knowing they cancelled EMH for this just makes it worse.
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Post by humanbelly on May 26, 2013 17:49:03 GMT -5
Apparently later this year a new Hulk show will start, featuring Hulk, She Hulk, Red Hulk and A-bomb, who is Rick Jones but he can turn into an Abomination like gamma monster. It sounds pretty dumb but I guess we'll see. Well, this is where the whole Hulk-iverse was about a year ago. . . aaaaaaand I gave up on it, too. Every single familiar character had been just grossly exploited into becoming some other version of a Hulk. There weren't any people anymore. In fact, the most "human" folks seemed to be a small cadre of uncomfortably sympathetic and sentient LMD's. . . Hmmm--to paraphrase Syndrome: "When EVERYONE'S a Hulk, NO ONE'S a Hulk-!" HB
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Post by drew on May 26, 2013 22:57:14 GMT -5
Yeah, one of the things that made Bruce Banner unique was the fact that he SURVIVED Gamma exposure. She-hulk... alright, a giant green lady in tattered clothes will always entice comic fans, The Leader is the reverse Hulk and Abomination was evil Hulk. I get all those. Another key aspect of Bruce Banner is his gamma transformation is, for whatever reason, stronger and smarter than anyone else's. But that is mostly because hundreds if not thousands of people in the MU have hulked out by now, whereas I think they should have just died. Who makes a bomb that grants superstrength? I thought the gamma bomb was like an A bomb or H bomb; it's meant to utterly destroy. BTW Rick Jones is either the luckiest or unluckiest guy in comics.
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Post by spiderwasp on May 27, 2013 1:19:10 GMT -5
I'm totally with you guys on the Hulk thing. I've had absolutely no interest in Red Hulk, Red She-Hulk, etc. from day 1. The abundance of members of the "Hulk family" destroys the whole concept. Here's what comes to my mind when I think of it:
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Post by drew on May 28, 2013 12:00:57 GMT -5
Strange thing is, it works for Captain Marvel. Except for the lieutenant Marvels. Maybe it's because Billy is a little kid and it makes sense he'd have a family, I dunno.
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Post by Shiryu on May 28, 2013 15:17:24 GMT -5
Right... episode 2 is an improvement over 1. Still not as good as EMH, but an improvement. My only gripe is that everything is very Tony-centred, and everyone seems to look up to him a little too much. Cap at times acts like a little schoolboy happy to serve under Iron Man, very out of character IMHO. And Falcon's getting pretty annoying pretty quickly. Still, there is some good stuff. They imply that the series is set after EMH, with a few hidden references to things that took place then (Clint leaving SHIELD, Thor and Hulk training at the Mansion). There are inconsistencies, but there appears to be some degree of continuity. We also get to see a glimpse of Doom, Attuma and ( ) Dracula, as well as a cameo from JJJ straight out from the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon.
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Post by drew on May 29, 2013 10:19:26 GMT -5
Yeah, it's better I guess, but still not good. So the Red Skull is just going to keep the armor he stole? I HATE the screen cutting up, and the letterbox shot. I also had some problems with dialog being drowned out by FX, but that could be just me. The voice actors and writing are VASTLY inferior to EMH. Why is the Falcon annoying? I know he's the new guy, but he sounds like a little kid. He's a SHIELD agent, an elite soldier. The Iron Man focus is undoubtedly because of IM3, so hopefully we can get away from that. The tone is just wrong, so how the Falcon is portrayed extends to all the Avengers, like they can't do anything without Tony saying so. The best part of the episode was the last few minutes when no Avengers are shown. That is seriously messed up. I'm not writing this show off entirely yet, but they seriously need to find their footing quickly. This reminds me of those 90's cartoons where characters/plots/whatever are shoehorned in, altered or ignored because it's trying to appeal to what people think the Avengers are, i.e., Movie Avengers, a.k.a public perception Avengers. The movie was based on a comic. EMH was based on a comic. It's almost like AA is embarassed to acknowledge it's roots. I'm going to stop for now because I think I'm being a little too critical, but I'm upset because this could be a great show. We had an awesome show. This is merely okay. And the Avengers deserve better. BTW, if this is after EMH, where is T'Challa? Oh, right, he wasn't in the damned movie. I expect to see Phil Coulson as the pool boy at Avengers mansion before this is over.
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Post by ultron69 on Jun 3, 2013 7:49:11 GMT -5
I finally saw the first episode. It was pretty good, though not as good as EMH. They've obviously patterned the show after the movie, which isn't surprising. Why is Hawkeye wearing sunglasses? He does not look cool at all.
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Post by drew on Jul 9, 2013 10:54:25 GMT -5
Episode 3 is out. It's better. Not good, but better. Imagine if the Ultimate Avengers straight to DVDs were made into a show and you pretty much got it. Features the Space Phantoms, sort of. Tony is still the end all-be all. I don't mind Ultimate Spider man. It's okay and has it's place, but why dumb down the Avengers this way? I kind of saw USM as something kids plus parents would like, while EMH was more parents plus kids, if that makes any sense.
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Post by Shiryu on Jul 16, 2013 18:46:21 GMT -5
#4 is out and is the best yet, very action packed and with some nice moments of interaction. A good episode IMHO.
Still, this show doesn't quite have the same sense of "Avenger team" EMH had. It's hard to explain, but so far it feels like characters are going through the motions, and you could swap one for another with very little overall change.
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Post by drew on Jul 28, 2013 23:24:39 GMT -5
I haven't watched episode 5 yet featuring Dracula(!) but episode 6 was pretty good. It was a little corny, but at least the Falcon wasn't annoying this time...
Has anyone seen Beware the Batman? It isn't completely bad. The mock ads were very in accurate, but there ARE differences. Alfred is still a butler, for example, but he's also a former British commando, something that hasn't really been focused on ever before. Katana is in the show, but her cover is Bruce Wayne's chaffeur/ bodyguard. So far it's less Batman team-up and more of an slightly new interpretation of the Batman cast. Most interestingly, is a focus on lesser or never before used on TV villains. So far we've seen Magpie, Professor Pyg and Mr. Toad, and as Batman's recurring ideological nemesis, ANARKY! They messed up his visuals and he sort of looks like Moon Knight, but this indicates a willingness to not simply retread previous series while still respecting Batman's history. I really wanted to hate this show, but I'm starting to like it.
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Post by drew on Aug 7, 2013 10:51:26 GMT -5
The newest AA had Hyperion from the Squadron Supreme! Not to ruin anything, but it basically shows why Superman level characters don't really work in the more "realistic" Marvel U. A solid episode, all in all, as was the Dracula one ( though a cameo from Baron Blood would have been nice) next week apparently has Molecule Man.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Aug 26, 2013 23:01:04 GMT -5
Seeing Doom ride on the back of the Midgard Serpent was kinda cool.
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Post by Shiryu on Aug 28, 2013 11:18:56 GMT -5
Did anyone notice that in the flashback scenes of the Molecule Kid episode, the Avengers were depicted in the Earth's Mightiest Heroes art style? Hawkeye and Thor have their classic costumes too, although Cap had his Ultimate costume, possibly placing the flashback behind the scenes of early season 2.
I thought it was a nice touch in a rather lackluster episode.
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Post by spiderman1984 on Sept 1, 2013 1:57:34 GMT -5
i have seen some episodes of Avengers Assemble, and i thought they were great.
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Post by drew on Sept 3, 2013 2:03:01 GMT -5
AA isn't bad really. I kind of support the fact that Marvel is trying for a unifying look and feel for their animated shows. I just wish it wasn't the aesthetics of USM that they went with. BTW, has anyone seen the new Hulk series? Some things I like about it, like the voice acting. I don't like their take on the Hulk, which is the same as AA. I liked the EMH approach much better, where he was a genuine monster people were scared of (like the, I don't know.. comics?) The new Hulk is much more of a Ben Grimm portrayal, but even Ben had a temper sometimes. And 5 hulks are just hanging out and no one is concerned because they are putting out publicity webcasts? What? Another huge misstep was not getting Jeffery Combs back as the Leader.
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Post by ultron69 on Oct 28, 2013 7:29:27 GMT -5
I've finally caught a few episodes. I thought it was quite good. Not as good as EMH, but certainly one of the better animated programs that Marvel has put out.
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