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Post by humanbelly on May 3, 2012 20:47:07 GMT -5
I might be nitpicking, but I can´t help rolling my eyes every time I hear the new EMH intro calling Thor "the prince of thunder"... .It just doesn´t sit well with me. No, no, no... Thor´s the god of thunder! Have we let the so-called PC impoverish us so that, in the name of respect for other people´s belief systems, we balk from dwelling in the beautiful worlds of fantasy and mythology...? It´d be a sad day if indeed that´s the case. In my book this whole PC business is getting farcically out of hand. It would seem weird to me if this turned out to be an imposition from Disney Above, since not so long ago they produced a film and a TV cartoon about a teen-aged Hercules, and I´m pretty sure they had gods aplenty left and right on that one... . An that show´s target audience were actually young children, unlike EMH. Why, then, such sudden timidity...? I have a similiar beef when it comes to having Cap fight Hydra during WW II instead of the nazis. Suddenly it´s better to rewrite WW II´s history than to mention Hitler and his followers... . I´m not sure this is any less insulting than the offence they supposedly want to avoid in the first place. All this, mind you, after roughly 50 years of stories which told us otherwise. Oh, well, maybe I´m just ranting... . Sorry if that´s the case. Doc, just so's you don't feel dissed, here-- this is a VERY discussion-worthy topic you've brought up, here, and it's been incubating in my head for quite awhile. . . and there just hasn't been free time (or computer time) for me to respond. I think there are actually two very different issues in play here--- but I'll have to bend your ear a bit later on about it (which hopefully doesn't have you cringing in horror--). But good stuff, brother-- HB
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Post by ultron69 on May 5, 2012 13:55:34 GMT -5
I might be nitpicking, but I can´t help rolling my eyes every time I hear the new EMH intro calling Thor "the prince of thunder"... .It just doesn´t sit well with me. No, no, no... Thor´s the god of thunder! Have we let the so-called PC impoverish us so that, in the name of respect for other people´s belief systems, we balk from dwelling in the beautiful worlds of fantasy and mythology...? It´d be a sad day if indeed that´s the case. In my book this whole PC business is getting farcically out of hand. It would seem weird to me if this turned out to be an imposition from Disney Above, since not so long ago they produced a film and a TV cartoon about a teen-aged Hercules, and I´m pretty sure they had gods aplenty left and right on that one... . An that show´s target audience were actually young children, unlike EMH. Why, then, such sudden timidity...? I have a similiar beef when it comes to having Cap fight Hydra during WW II instead of the nazis. Suddenly it´s better to rewrite WW II´s history than to mention Hitler and his followers... . I´m not sure this is any less insulting than the offence they supposedly want to avoid in the first place. All this, mind you, after roughly 50 years of stories which told us otherwise. Oh, well, maybe I´m just ranting... . Sorry if that´s the case. I agree with you, Doc. I'm all in favor of being sensitive to others' feelings (sometimes old movies or books do indeed make me cringe with a poor choice of words which was perfectly acceptable back then), but this country has become ridiculously PC. We are way too afraid of offending anybody. It's getting tough to keep track of what words have become verboten because they've somehow been deemed offensive. You can't even speak the truth anymore, unless it's hidden deftly inside some adroitly chosen euphemisms. I don't know if Hydra in Captain America and the Prince of Thunder in EMH are for those reasons, but if so, it's just stupid.
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Post by ultron69 on May 6, 2012 10:22:39 GMT -5
I liked yesterday's Young Justice better. I'm getting into this Invasion story. It helps that I know what's going on right from the beginning. They mentioned that Supberboy dumped Miss Martian. I'm guessing it's because she did something violent to a bad buy, which is a shame, since I like the sweet innocent Miss Martian.
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Post by drew on May 6, 2012 16:31:47 GMT -5
Guys, the PC driven lingo (if that's the case) doesn't really bother me, though it probably should. In the Midwest, where I live and grew up, people aren't ready to even accept evolution as a viable theory, so calling Thor prince of thunder instead of God of thunder makes sense; a lot of people seeing deeming a fictional character as a god as blasphemous. I don't especially care for it, but if it makes EMH more palatable for more people than I say go with it. There were many movies, cartoons, comics, etc, I wasn't allowed to enjoy as a child because they were considered "occult" or "witchcraft" driven. It sounds stupid and it is, but those types of people tend to be the ones who complain the loudest, so anything to get them to shut up and go away is welcome. Besides, didn't the Thor movie and sometimes the comics state the Asgardians are some form of aliens? Yeah, it's very lame, but given the precedents I can overlook the whole Prince v. God thing. In the end it really makes no difference. With Captain America and Hydra... that's a little harder. WWII actually happened. Millions were killed or tortured due to the actions of the Axis powers. But to play devil's advocate a little, assume the average EMH viewer is somewhere between 15-35. The older viewers that I know tend to watch EMH with their kids or grandkids, who are generally in the 4 to ten year old range. Try explaining Nazis and why they are bad to kids of that age. It would be horrifying. Having Hydra be a science/occult obsessed branch of the Nazis is a pretty tidy way of not showing mutilated bodies while giving easy access to sci-fi and fantasy elements to the writers, and you can kind of downplay the murderous genocide angle. In a perfect world there could be some sort of compromise I suppose, but I don't think the team of EMH made a bad call on this. Never mind the fact that the Cap movie, which is more mainstream kept the same elements. If anything, I'd praise Marvel for striving to maintain some consistency and continuity across their various endeavors. Bear in mind, Doc Bong, HB, Ultron, et all, I'm not disagreeing at all, just saying I understand the relatively mild changes were probably made to appeal to a broader audience, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. Sunday's episode was quite good though it felt like it really could have been a two part episode, but Jeph Loeb doesn't like those, does he? The Guardians of the Galaxy and Ms. Marvel surely could have been expanded upon. Wasn't Carol (as Binary) part of the older Guardians? Or was that the Starjammers? I'm sure HB would know. I would have liked seeing Wendell Vaugun as Qasar, as he always seemed like the nicest guy in the MU, kind of the equivalent of Billy Batson. Still, having Rocket Raccoon fight the Hulk was awesome. ultron69. I'm still on the fence about YJ. Just when I'm really getting into it everything gets changed, and not necessarily for the better. From what I understood, Conner ditched Megan once he learned he wouldn't age (why is that a problem?) but we can't discount the fact the Megan has the potential to be callous and destructive (she is a pale Martian), but so does Conner. I see them getting back together soon. I'm actually more interested in Beast Boy. Did he gain his shape-shifting abilities from Megan? He turned from furry with a tail Gar back to a green boy form at one point, plus he can copy alien animals. Is it sight based? Next week should be interesting. @everyone I don't know about you guys, but at my workplace everyone has or wants to see the Avengers movie, and everyone who has seen it loves it. Hopefully some of this goodwill will benefit EMH.
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Post by ultron69 on May 6, 2012 16:50:48 GMT -5
Drew, I was thinking the same thing about today's EMH - it was good, but anything with Korvac should have been a two parter. Plus, you're adding in the Guardians of the Galaxy. I'd also rather have seen Wendell Vaugun as Qasar. Yeah, Rocket Raccoon was awesome. The part where he pulls out those huge guns was one of the highlights of the show. Funny, I didn't imagine him with an Aussie accent, though, but it fits.
I was under the impression that Beast Boy got his powers from the blood transfussion he got from Miss Martian, but I could be wrong. I am enjoying that character. I agree also don't love the fact that they just jumped ahead 5 years, but I'm still enjoying the show.
I hope the Avengers movie will indeed translate to some love for EMH, but who knows. People who aren't into animation probably won't see it regardless.
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Post by drew on May 6, 2012 18:37:17 GMT -5
Ultron 69. Maybe we're seeing creeping Loeb-ness in action. I really wanted to see more of Adam Warlock, Starlord, etc. Maybe it's just because I recently re-read the Annihilation storyline, but I really wanted to see the Nova Corps as well. I'm going to re-watch it later but so far I'm just whelmed. I'm not especially familiar with Korvac; but I thought he was like a computer/machine god or something, created by the Badoon to be their cosmic calculator. I guessed correctly, the Badoon were changed to the Kree, hopefully to keep things simple. Now he's an energy guy? This season isn't bad by any means but I hope it gets back in the saddle soon. I suppose I thought it would be a slow, episode-by-episode buildup to the invasion, and so far I've not seen it or I'm incredibly dense. As for YJ I'm really hoping they go back 5 years, because the Red Arrow/Speedy thing looked fascinating. As for Beast Boy, even by shaky comic logic his animal only shapeshifting powers gained by an alien blood transfusion raises many questions. I prefer his original origin quite frankly. It still was comic book science but was less convoluted. I also prefer Megan as a sweetheart; for some reason all female characters in comics today have to be tough, no nonsense butt- kickers who are about as approachable as a cactus. That's fine for those who enjoy that kind of thing, but could we have one who is just a nice girl? As far as the movie goes, I'm going out of my way to point out that Avengers is also an animated series and loaning out my copies to anyone who might get hooked on EMH.
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Post by humanbelly on May 6, 2012 19:57:15 GMT -5
. Wasn't Carol (as Binary) part of the older Guardians? Or was that the Starjammers? I'm sure HB would know. I would have liked seeing Wendell Vaugun as Qasar, as he always seemed like the nicest guy in the MU, kind of the equivalent of Billy Batson. . Yep, it was the Starjammers, not the old Guardians of the Galaxy. She was terribly unanchored for awhile, there. She sort of re-appeared after saving our sun (!) in Quasar's book. And man, yeah, he's just the greatest, nicest guy ever. I'm still pushing to get him and Monica Rambeau together. . . Oh man-- I spent 45 minutes Friday night crafting a thoughtful, articulate (for me) reply to Doc's post, here. It was quite long-- and I was very proud of it-- thought I was brighter (and possibly a bit deeper) than usual. And then the internet connection blinked out. And that was it. Restoring the link navigated me away from the compostion box--- which blanked the whole post into the unretrievable ether. Lord, it KILLS me whenever this happens! Am I missing some safety net, here? Gosh, what a good weekend though, eh? ;D ;D HB
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Post by drew on May 7, 2012 4:45:51 GMT -5
@hb Thanks! I vaguely remember some of those comics, but what drags down Marvel's cosmic stuff is lack of consistency. Think about the Silver Surfer for example. The origin and purpose are pretty simple, but they keep changing the status of Zenn-La, Shalla-Ball, and whether Norrin Radd remembers any of it or has emotions at all. It's a bit frustrating.
It's funny, I just remembered Quasar (Wendell) was a SHIELD agent who lacked the ruthlessness SHIELD looks for so he was drummed out. That lack of kill or be killed attitude were what lets him manipulate the quantum bands without burning up, which coincidentally is pretty much what happened in Supreme Power with Doctor Spectrum, except Doc is a killer but has enough discipline to control the power prism. The writer of Supreme Power? One Jeph Loeb. Granted, SP was a "grittier" (I hate that word) take on the Squadron Supreme, a copy of the JLA, so originality was not to be expected, but still it's essentially re-telling Quasar's origin except with a jerk. Although he's been killed at least four times and I have no idea what's going on now, it struck me how cool the classic Quasar look was. it has some elements of Superman minus the underpants, the neat chest emblem and the blue cape filled with stars. Just a great costume. I'm not sure if Ron Lim, Mark Gruenwald( R.I.P.) or someone else designed it, but DC should have taken that aesthetic into account when re-designing the JLA. I never thought of Wendell and Monica Rambeau as a couple but that makes enormous sense. Now I want it to happen. As for the rest HB, that's happened to me once before and I don't think there is a way around it.
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Post by ultron69 on May 7, 2012 7:18:38 GMT -5
HB, Carol was indeed part of the Starjammers. She joined shortly after becoming Binary (thanks to some exmperiments on her by the evil Brood), in the pages of the X-Men, of course. I'm believe that she joined the Starjammers in X-Men #174. I don't recall her ever being part of the Guardians, but it's possible that she as at some point and I just missed it.
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Post by ultron69 on May 7, 2012 7:20:13 GMT -5
Oh man-- I spent 45 minutes Friday night crafting a thoughtful, articulate (for me) reply to Doc's post, here. It was quite long-- and I was very proud of it-- thought I was brighter (and possibly a bit deeper) than usual. And then the internet connection blinked out. And that was it. Restoring the link navigated me away from the compostion box--- which blanked the whole post into the unretrievable ether. Lord, it KILLS me whenever this happens! Am I missing some safety net, here? HB Oh I feel your pain! That is awful, HB! I don't know of any safety net, though sometimes when I'm typing something lengthy I'll do it in Word so that it's saved there, first.
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Post by ultron69 on May 13, 2012 8:11:31 GMT -5
YJ was good, though I don't like what they did with Aqualad! It's like they are trying to shake things up as much as possible. It's a bit too much.
I like the bat-woman Red Lantern on Green Lantern. I also am wondering if all of the Guardians except Ganthet will get wiped out. Nah.
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Post by drew on May 15, 2012 7:35:04 GMT -5
I'm glad EMH FINALLY addressed the Skrull storyline again. I don't know what else to say about the episode, it seemed like a bridge get back into the main storyline. Good, solid, but not spectacular. I was a bit surprised to hear how powerful Carol is. It was my understanding she was basically Moonstone levels, but not on par with Thor and Hulk. As Binary, maybe, but wasn't she more of an energy conduit at that point? ultron69. Man, that's the new DCU. New Aqualad is the long lost son of Black Manta (fantastic villain, btw) and Manta wants them to be a team. I think it was established in the '70's that Manta wanted to establish an underwater utopia for all black people on Earth, and the current DC picked that up and ran with it. It's a nifty idea, and all the African tribal artifacts suggests that's how YJ is heading. I have a feeling Kal is really a double agent, but that's just a hunch. I kinda like Lagoon Boy (because really, a fish guy? what would he look like?) but I wouldn't mind seeing Garth/Tempest at some point. He was pretty good on Teen Titans. I had a good experience last night. I went to visit my sister and my nephew was jumping up and down because EMH was coming on (off the DVR) and he was so excited! The fact it was the Doc Doom episode only made it sweeter.
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Post by Shiryu on May 15, 2012 19:52:01 GMT -5
According to TV.com, after this coming sunday's episode, the show will go on hiatus for a month, coming back at the end of June
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Post by ultron69 on May 16, 2012 7:21:46 GMT -5
I was shocked that Ms Marvel was able to take on the Hulk. That's a bit too much for me. Like you said, Drew, a good but not great episode.
I love Black Manta. My favorite Aquaman villain. Still I didn't like Aqualad turning bad because I liked him, plus he seemed like such a straight arrow that I really find it a stretch.
I'm glad your nephew has good taste. :-)
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Post by tomspasic on May 16, 2012 9:50:11 GMT -5
Clearly the EMH version of Ms. Marvel is a lot more powerful than, well, pretty much everybody in Marvel Comics if she can go toe to toe with the Hulk, knock Ronin on his arse etc. etc. I'm wishing that they did Stupid Invasion in one greatly truncated and rushed episode, like the Korvac episode. Get that dull crap done and go back to adapting good source material. But I suspect that it will drag on and on, like the comic "event" did, till the end of the season and effectively the end of the show. Well, it was good while it lasted...
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Post by ultron69 on May 16, 2012 14:52:36 GMT -5
Yeah, I think you're right. Also, yeah, at least as much time should have been devoted to the Korvac story as to the Skull Invasion. Now, the Kree/Skrull War is another matter.
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Post by tomk on May 16, 2012 21:16:10 GMT -5
I've just recently started to watch the show for the first time. I'm through the 3 part Kang episode from season one and all I can say is it was epic in its scope. Would love to see this as a live action movie.
With the great multi-part stories happening in the first season, how can anyone justify doing the Korvac saga in a single episode? I haven't watched it yet, but 21 minutes does not seem to be enough time to give the story the justice it deserves.
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Post by drew on May 17, 2012 0:51:52 GMT -5
Who's to say Korvac won't return at some point? After all, he hates the Kree and we know the Kree/Skrull war will happen in some form, mixed in with Civil War and Secret Invasion. Probably the war will be the catalyst for registration, instead of Nitro blowing up a town. BTW, who wouldn't have liked the Jim Starlin/ Roy Thomas Captain Marvel join the team, be a great guy, and contract cancer like he did in the comics? It's a bit grim, but even Batman BAtB killed off quite a few characters. Heck, a DVD could be made of that tale. ultron69 I agree, though Aquaman doesn't really have a lot of enemies to begin with. Manta always come off as just plain evil. He killed a baby for crying out loud! Wait, before the stupid five year jump, wasn't Mera pregnant? Uh-Oh... I'm still waiting for Firestorm (the original) to show up. Ronnie Raymond was about sixteen when he became the nuclear man, so he could be on either team. Or the Ray. One would be good, but two are better. You know, I'd actually like to see energy Superman at some point, though I suspect I'm in the minority. Anyways, don't count out Kal-duron just yet,I still think he's undercover or something. And yes, I'm glad my gift of EMH DVDS wasn't wasted. The kid also likes very old school Disney cartoons from the 30's and 40's, which I think is very cool. tomk Welcome! I hope you enjoy this thread as much as I have. EMH is truly a joy to watch, and it's fun to discuss it with fellow fans. It sounds like you have a pretty good grasp on Avengers lore, but if you have any questions or insights we'd love to hear them. Everyone here is pretty much a huge comic fan, and very friendly and polite. I'd like to hear what you think of the series so far.
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Post by ultron69 on May 17, 2012 12:26:45 GMT -5
Drew, Was Mera pregnant? I either missed or forgot that. Well, there you go, Manta did it again! By the way, I just read The Death of a Prince a few weeks ago. Good stuff.
I wouldn't mind Firestorm on the team, but he's pretty much always been a JLAer, so I don't know if they'd do that. I don't know much about the Ray. I agree, though, the more the merrier when it comes to superhero teams. I wouldn't mind some old school Titans such as Lilith joining the team, though they probably wouldn't need her since they've got Miss Martian, but maybe somebody else like Gnarkk,. OK, maybe not Gnarkk. :-) I hope you're right about Aqualad.
It's great that your nephew like old school cartoons. Don't forget the Bug Bunny & Daffy Duck! Also, Foghorn Leghorn - very underrated character.
Tomk, for all our sakes I hope EMH doesn't really get cancelled, but just in case, maybe you'd better start watching Young Justice. :-)
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Post by drew on May 17, 2012 22:00:06 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Mera was pregnant, hence Aqualads visit to Atlantis in episode six or so. Yeah, Firestorm has always been in the JLA, but seeing as how he's really a kid...it could be nice to mix it up a little. YJ actually recruited the Ray briefly in the comics. It occurred to me a second ago. What if they do that crazy storyline on EMH where Ms. Marvel is raped in order to give birth to a cosmic messiah? Geez, I hope not. Foghorn Leghorn is one of my favorites too!
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Post by ultron69 on May 18, 2012 7:30:58 GMT -5
If they do the Avengers #200 storyline, that will kill what little chance the show has of surviving!
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Post by drew on May 20, 2012 20:27:06 GMT -5
Guys and ladies, I'm a little mixed up on the shows we all generally dig for the past two weeks (drew and Mrs. drew bought a house and moved), but catching up was pretty great. Thundercats was very solid if quirky (that raccoon thief and his psychic theft abilities are fascinating) with a very Pinocchio vibe of generally good kids being led astray by a mentor. I know there aren't a lot of Ultimate Spider-Man fans around these parts, but given last weeks Harry Osborn/Venom melding (with some parallels to Harry's in-comic drug problem) and this week's Frog of Thunder episode I'm really enjoying USM. Yeah, it skews a bit young, but seeing the armored Thor costume, a source faithful Loki and any tribute to Walt Simonson is a good thing in my book, and the two headed goat was hilarious. Onto EMH... I've never been a fan of derivative heroes unless something interesting is done with them, and I've never cared for Beta Ray Bill at all, but this weeks episode won me over. I really enjoyed it, though I wouldn't have minded a Sunday not focused on one Marvel character. Today's episode introduced BRB very well, explaining his motivation, his attitude, his nobility, etc. That said, he still looks goofy and so does his hammer, even though Stormbreaker is an awesome name for a hammer. When/if they cancel EMH, I think it's a safe bet that despite the title of "Ultimate Avengers" it will bear very little in common with the Ultimate line of comics; the movies/animated shows are generally incorporating only very small elements of the Ultimate line in their stories, and mostly keeping very true to the original material. ultron69 How good was YJ? I initially thought from Red Arrow's haggard appearance they were doing the heroin storyline. A nice sidestep if a bit of a cop out. The rooftop intervention, the baby, Wally being retired, etc, I suppose they did what they had to to preserve the story and it was actually a reasonable compromise of that era of the Teen Titans. I was worried when I saw the cat and the dumpster though.
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Post by ultron69 on May 21, 2012 7:35:30 GMT -5
I agree that this week's EMH was good, but it was very weird that Thor was the only Avenger to appear in it. They should have just called it Thor. Anyway, like you, drew, I don't care for derivative heroes in general, and I've never gotten into Beta Ray Bill (though has was cool in the Planet Hulk animated movie) though I think it's just because I wasn't collecting Thor regularly at the time he was a regular. Actually, I don't really care for Simonson's art. I also agree that Stormbreaker is a cool name. Actually, that' what Bill should call himself!
Regarding YJ, I thought the artists did a good job of making Roy look run down. I, too, thought they were doing the heroin storyline, but I saw no indication of it. I get the impression he's just been running himself ragged looking for the really Roy since he found out he's a clone. Maybe the heroin will work its way in, but not so far. This show is interesting in that they seem to drop another bomb on us each week, and they keep us guessing as to certain things such as what happened between Superboy and M'Gan, what's going on with Aqualad, where did Lagoon Boy come from...
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Post by drew on May 21, 2012 10:01:15 GMT -5
I must say I typically pay close attention to who appears in silhouette as EMH; it's a good indication of where the story is going to go. No Hank? Ant-man doesn't appear in this episode, for example. Seeing Thor alone was a bit exciting, diminished only by the fact he was the focus of USM this week as well. This would have been a good idea/reasonable one if promoting a movie or anniversary or something, but barring that it felt a little odd.
And Ultron, you're completely right! BRB should be named Stormbreaker. It's so obvious I can't believe it never occurred to me. Heck, Thunderstrike was named after his mace, so why not? Anyway, the solo Thor episode gives me hope we might see a solo Vision or Wonder Man and Beast episode. Anyways, I can enjoy spin off heroes but they tend to be trendy or ill-concieved. For example, USAgent was a pretty interesting take on Cap in very conservative times. The character was story driven, and gave us a more martial version of Cap. But those times passed and now writers don't seem to know how to write him unless he's an over the top caratcature of Americans. Don't get me started on Spider-girl/woman or Bat-girl woman. The best use of any watered down spin off was Barbara Gordon, IMO, is Oracle. She survived tragedy and continues to fight the good fight. Actually, a lot of these characters would be great in a "What If?" or Elseworlds story but frankly don't have the legs to go long term. I'm pretty sure in Planet Hulk BRB filled in for the Silver Surfer, and Hulk beating BRB was impressive, but kicking around the Surfer is pretty amazing. As for YJ, I seriously doubt they want to feature hard drugs on an animated show, so showing Roy as skinny, clumsy, living in squalor, stealing money was basically the closest they could get to "Snowbirds don't Fly" and anyway the effect is the same. Whether he's severely depressed because he's a clone and wearing himself out or he's shooting up the results are very much alike. One is palatable for television; one isn't. I can understand that. Bringing in Jim Harper was a nice touch as people often forget they are related.
Man, Roy in any medium just can't catch a break. I've always liked the character and have followed him from the Suicide Squad to Checkmate, the goofy purple outfit as Arsenal, the silly tribal phase, Red Arrow briefly then not, then back eventually to Red Arrow, then getting his arm cut off and turning back to drugs, then yet another reboot, where he's a colossal jerk teamed up with Jason Todd. I've always thought Roy could be a better version of Green Arrow, kind of like how Dick Grayson or Tim Drake are potentially better Batmen than Bruce Wayne. Dick because he is not only a team player but a team leader; Tim because he's much more cerebral and he cares about people in a direct way. Likewise, Roy's strength is he was portrayed a man who overcame a personal flaw and came out stronger, even becoming a good father, which is a lot more than Oliver ever did. Come to think of it, Roy and Jason Todd both kind of got shafted.
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Post by ultron69 on May 22, 2012 7:37:02 GMT -5
Yeah, drew, I actually did enjoy USAgent interacting with the Avengers. It's sort of like when your nice boss leaves and your new boss is a jerk. I also agree about spinoff heroes. If they're well done. that's OK, but mostly it seems like they're a pale imitation of the original.
Oracle was great, and I have mixed feelings about her return as Batgirl, though I did like her a lot as Batgirl as well.
Interesting thoughts on Roy, drew. I do agree that Dick Greyson is/could be a better version of Batman, as he is a more human version of that character, not to mention he's got a sense of humor. Most of my experience with Roy is from the Teen Titans, then briefly when I re-started collecting JLA a few years back and he was a member as Red Arrow. It sure sounds like he's been through a lot, but frankly, I think most characters, unless they're A listers TPTB don't want to mess with, will go through a lot if they've been around in comics long enough.
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Post by drew on May 22, 2012 17:11:34 GMT -5
ultron69 I guess my point about Roy was (and you're completely right about the A-listers having an upset "Reign of the Supermen", "Knightfall" "Clone Saga" and returning back to status quo, they are the money makers after all.) but Roy, like Aqualad/Tempest has never really had a reset point to return to, and that's too bad. Take Cyborg for example. There is the classic Cyborg we all generally agree on. The original Victor Stone, half man, half machine. Then he was damaged and became more robot, then merged with an alien technorganic species, then was put in the Omegadrome, then had his human form cloned, which the Omegadrome bonded with, then he was trapped in a half OD/half human state and before the reboot he returned to his original state. Eventually someone realized that complicated is not a substitute for storytelling and fixed Cyborg. Roy is a very old character, and I just wish DC would show a little goodwill or just kill him off and be done with it. It's kind of like when they kill off one of the FF; it's just a stunt.
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Post by ultron69 on May 23, 2012 6:43:54 GMT -5
Drew, that's interesting about starting points. You're right about Cyborg having one, though having been out of comics for about 15 years, I didn't know about all that stuff Vic's been through, and I think I'm glad of it!
To your point about the FF, you also know it's temporary when one of them leaves the group. The FF will always be Reed, Sue, Ben, and Johnny.
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Post by tomspasic on May 23, 2012 7:42:19 GMT -5
The Beta ray bill episode was OK, but I don't see the point of putting an adaptation of a Thor comic into an Avengers show. BrB has never been an avenger. Neither has Sif. 40 years of Avenger stories are being ignored so they can streee-eee-eetch out Stupid Invasion and adapt stories from other comics? I can see the BrB story ties into a larger "Surtur" arc, but if I have to see an Avengers/Surtur story I'd rather it was "some say the world will end in fire, some in ice", which could have Vision, Black Knight and Dr.Strange in, as well as featuring Wakanda to give the Panther more backstory.
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Post by drew on Jun 1, 2012 2:38:33 GMT -5
I don't know if I agree 100% Tom, though you do make a good point. To be fair, Thor and to a lesser extent Hulk were instrumental in the Avengers forming in the first place. Also bear in mind some issues of Avengers tended to focus on one or two members, so it makes sense EMH might follow suit at some point. One of my personal favorite issues was in the aftermath of Galactic Storm, half of the Avengers had decided to terminate the artificial Kree Supreme Intelligence, led by Iron Man, and those who wanted him taken prisoner, led by Cap. Cap has a crisis of faith and Hawkeye takes him out for the night, where they meet Tony Stark and he and Cap iron out (no pun intended) some of their differences. I had a point here, but I fear it has eluded my grasp. What I'm trying to say is sometimes it's nice to see the lesser known, non-blockbuster stories, or maybe dip into a character's rich history and bring some lesser known characters to light.
Personally, I'm dying for a Cap 2 parter featuring the Watchdogs, Red Skull, Sons of the Serpent, Sam Wilson in costume as the Falcon, the Winter Soldier, USAgent. Throw in cameos by Battlestar, Hate-Monger and D-Man, and I'd be in hog heaven. Bear in mind, Steve Rogers hasn't been Cap in something like 70 years. One jerk (Henry Gyrich?) could try to basically fire him, especially after he's revealed as a Skrull.
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Post by Shiryu on Jun 3, 2012 15:52:36 GMT -5
Avengers alert, 6 new episodes are now online! They are coming out daily from Australia, like it happened last year
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