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Post by Bored Yesterday on Dec 4, 2006 13:19:54 GMT -5
Problem with making him giant size, is that he hardly ever fits into a panel correctly. Anytime he's big, the other characters in the panel are tiny or else the panels have to be huge -- it's a power designed for solo books.
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Post by dlw66 on Dec 4, 2006 13:34:37 GMT -5
It really depends on the camera angle the artist uses. Someone who is good can make it work. One of my favorite covers, though, that speaks to your dilemma, is from issue #51 -- the return of Hank's unlimited growing powers! Is there anyone better than John Buscema? ?
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Post by ozbot on Dec 6, 2006 15:02:19 GMT -5
Problem with making him giant size, is that he hardly ever fits into a panel correctly. Anytime he's big, the other characters in the panel are tiny or else the panels have to be huge -- it's a power designed for solo books. That's the same problem with being ant size, isn't it? After all, Wasp was drawn so inconsistently that it took Stern in the late 200's to comment on Wasp's power to maintain *any* size, not just a 1/4 inch or whatever.
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Post by sharkar on Dec 6, 2006 16:26:01 GMT -5
Is there anyone better than John Buscema? ? No one is even close. I love that cover; you can feel the movement of the characters. In fact, all of his covers from that time, especially from #49 through #62, are dynamic and captivating.
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Post by bobc on Dec 6, 2006 22:30:41 GMT -5
Buscema's ease with the human form is absolutely astonishing. He never had a catalogue of poses that he used over and over like other artists. He was incapable of drawing an awkward figure. I think he was a mutant!
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Post by dlw66 on Dec 7, 2006 8:38:59 GMT -5
That generation (Buscema, Adams, Kane, Romita, etc.) was just wonderful. More artists in the industry today should study the masters' work.
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Post by bobc on Dec 7, 2006 14:19:03 GMT -5
I think there are some great artists today. Inkers in general, IMO, have come a long way. Colorists too--
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Post by dlw66 on Dec 7, 2006 14:23:46 GMT -5
I agree -- there are some very talented people out there. My comment was more directed at that second-tier of artists who don't seem to know much about anatomy, how to move a story along, page development, etc. I think it's cool to watch guys who are just breaking in improve over time. And to address your comment about coloring -- computers have probably brought the most noticeable changes to the visual side of comics in the color enhancements and lettering.
Back to Hank Pym... IF he were going to get his own series,who is on the shortlist of super-baddies he'd have to mix it up with in the first few issues (no, I'm not going to market the series toward the tpb!!!)?
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Post by Doctor Bong on Dec 9, 2006 18:03:57 GMT -5
You know, I always wondered how come no writer ever came with the idea of resurrecting Egghead... it jaust seems kinda surprising, since ALMOST everybody returns from the dead in the MU, at one point or another.... Not that I wish for him to return, mind you, I think some people SHOULD stay dead, especially those who have been taking their dirtnap for deacades or so, as I'm of the opinion that bringing them back cheapens their histories & legacies, in a way that outweights any short term gains you get from telling "shocking" stories... hence my vocal opposition to the returns of Bucky & the Green Goblin; by the same token, I hope they never bring back the original Captain Marvel (as much as I liked him) or the original Swordsman... Like I said, not that I want them to bring Egghead back, but it has truly puzzled me for a long time that nobody has thought about doing it.
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Post by dlw66 on Dec 19, 2006 12:19:37 GMT -5
Does anyone have a bias toward or against any of the other giants in Marvel lore: Hawkeye, Bill Foster, the original Power Man, or even the Wasp?
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Post by BigDuke on Dec 19, 2006 13:13:18 GMT -5
I have always been a big fan of the gigantic heroes. Pym was great until they started messing him up. I always liked Colossal Boy in the Legion, Hawkeye's Goliath, Foster's, Stature, and I am really liking Atlas. Seems like marvel has taken the position that the bigger they are, the harder they fall: Pym's demise, Clint reverting to Hawkeye (now dead?), Foster's death, and things are not looking good for Atlas.
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Post by dlw66 on Dec 20, 2006 8:48:33 GMT -5
I was upset to see Bill Foster offed in Civil War. While we went through this kind of thing 20 years ago with Crisis on Infinite Earths, I felt then (and still do) that there was a reason for the housecleaning. Civil War leaves me guessing "why"? Anyway, I've mentioned elsewhere that Foster would have made a nice addition to an Avengers team (whenever we see a real one again) replacing Hank's powers and scientific ability. The race issue (if it needs to be an issue), the "new guy" issue, the Hank's "understudy" issue, the "I'm not always comfortable being a super-hero" issue -- all of these could have been plot vehicles.
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Post by ozbot on Dec 26, 2006 21:25:24 GMT -5
I just read Yellowjacket's appearance in the Essentail Defenders where he goes after Egghead. I also wondered why Egghead wasn't around anymore! (Also, again not that I want him to be resurrected, but it did seem like he was more important back in the day.) Why not put him in the Headmen!
But other than being able to play off Egghead and his daughter featured in that story, Pym doesn't really do anything to that story that couldn't have been done by Generic SuperHero II. So that might be part of the problem why Pym never made an A-List. Sure, he's a giant-man, but he can't be the "strong guy" of the team since that isn't his main role. Maybe that's why I liked his "scientific adventurer" mode best. Maybe, too, that's why the Ant-Man identity is trotted out every once in a while-- at least it's a bit more unique.
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Post by dlw66 on Dec 27, 2006 9:20:13 GMT -5
Yellowjacket "small" answered your position on the need every now and then for Ant Man. As I've stated above, to my recollection the only time he grew in the Yellowjacket costume was in #139 when he fought Whirlwind.
How many issues did he carry/use that gun (was it a neural disruptor??) before his stingers just went into the gloves?
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Post by Engage on Dec 27, 2006 13:21:16 GMT -5
He carried the gun for a few issues around the fight with Whirlwind, if I remember correctly.
There were already electrical stingers in his gloves, but I think he thought they were pretty weak. He carried the gun for a bit before he totally revamped his weaponry with the classic wing-charged stinger that was bio-energy or something.
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Post by bobc on Dec 27, 2006 15:11:19 GMT -5
I am reading the Essential Antman right now--and I swear to God Egghead sics an evil anteater on the Pyms! Could you imagine the shame of being bested by an anteater? Even Princess Python could beat up an anteater!
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Post by Bored Yesterday on Dec 27, 2006 16:29:22 GMT -5
AN EVIL ANTEATER! -- I love it! There's nothing like the thrill of early silver age Marvel. -- Now I want to read the story where Egghead arranges a jungle expedition to go and find the anteater to haul back, just to eat Ant-Man.
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Post by dlw66 on Dec 27, 2006 17:59:48 GMT -5
Engage -- you are correct. I was trying to remember the scene where Pym accuses his foe of "recognizing a weapon very few people had seen". Of course, the accused was Whirlwind, who in his secret ID was the Pyms' chauffeur! I had my guns/gloves out-of-order it seems... Thanks for jogging my memory!
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Post by Engage on Dec 27, 2006 18:46:51 GMT -5
That has to be the best part of the Whirlwind. He drove that car for like ten years and only tried to attack the Pyms about three times.
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Post by bobc on Dec 27, 2006 19:35:14 GMT -5
Well I can't say for sure if it was evil--it may have just been confused.
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Post by dlw66 on Dec 28, 2006 14:00:56 GMT -5
The Human Eraser... anyone ever see the Tales to Astonish with that guy? He MIGHT top an evil anteater as the stupidest villain ever.
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Post by BigDuke on Dec 28, 2006 14:39:51 GMT -5
(From the newest Panther)
Pym particles may have their resurgence. Bill Foster's nephew, who had helped Bill in his lab and is graduating from MIT, has vowed to solve the formula. Maybe a new Foster Goliath?
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Post by Tana Nile on Dec 28, 2006 19:35:53 GMT -5
(From the newest Panther) Pym particles may have their resurgence. Bill Foster's nephew, who had helped Bill in his lab and is graduating from MIT, has vowed to solve the formula. Maybe a new Foster Goliath? Yeah, that was interesting. Wonder if the patent on Pym particles has run out?! I was also pleased to see this book talk a little more about Foster and his connections to Pym. I have begun to wonder if the so-called Pro Reg traitor might be Pym? Maybe Bill's death caused him to go over to Cap's side?
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Post by Engage on Dec 31, 2006 2:01:22 GMT -5
I want a miniseries that looks into why half of everything Pym builds turns evil. Between the cyberclone Thor and Ultron you have to think that the Pym house has a few murderous toasters and a couple of robot vacuums with aspirations to destroy the earth.
For a brilliant scientist the man certainly has trouble building robots. You think that people would stop asking him to.
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Post by bobc on Dec 31, 2006 10:24:53 GMT -5
I want to see him build an evil Ipod.
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Post by Van Plexico on Dec 31, 2006 11:48:00 GMT -5
Wouldn't that be a Zune?! (At least, according to the Daily Show...)
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Post by Van Plexico on Dec 31, 2006 11:51:58 GMT -5
Gotta go with "Yellowjacket." The "big guy" versions are all duplicated elsewhere (Black Goliath, Atlas, Clint-as-Goliath, etc). And I liked Scott Lang better as Ant-Man. But the Yellowjacket identity was sort of unique (not counting the Wasp, obviously). And it had the whole "eeeevil" beginning to it, when he went nuts (one of the times, anyway).
The downside of Yellowjacket was that mostly all we ever got, in action scenes, was the one obligatory shot of YJ and Wasp flying by the villain, zapping them in the face, while the villain swats and them and says, "Ugh!"
In the last few years, I think we've seen "giant Yellowjacket" way more often than lil' Yellowjacket!
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Post by The Night Phantom on Jan 3, 2007 22:22:01 GMT -5
But the Yellowjacket identity was sort of unique (not counting the Wasp, obviously). Or Rita DeMara…
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Post by Shiryu on Jan 8, 2007 4:56:15 GMT -5
I think towards the end of Busiek run, and possibly even now in Civil War, YJ has the powers of all his previous incarnations. He can change size either way and shoot energy "stings". Not sure if he has ants control though.
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Post by dlw66 on Jan 11, 2007 9:14:10 GMT -5
In the Avengers 26-28 thread, we were discussing Hank's "glory days" in dominating Avengers covers. Go to the cover link off the main AA! page, and check out the covers from issues 28-59. Hank is featured prominently on all but a handful!
Then they messed with his mind... (sounds like Charlton Heston in Planet of the Apes: "You cut out his brain!").
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