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Post by humanbelly on Jan 15, 2011 7:25:21 GMT -5
You've hit right upon what was working so well for me during this period, Mich. The plotline and characters made for good, engaging reading, as opposed to just being entertaining. There's a big difference between anxiously awaiting the next issue to see what develops in the lives of the characters and anxiously awaiting it to see whether or not Cap can survive the last-panel fall from the Heli-carrier, say.
Boy, and I always loved Klaus Janson's inks-- especially on the Defenders, over Sal B. I do know that many folks found his style too heavy and overwhelming, though.
HB
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Post by sharkar on Jan 23, 2011 16:22:33 GMT -5
Boy, and I always loved Klaus Janson's inks-- especially on the Defenders, over Sal B. I do know that many folks found his style too heavy and overwhelming, though. I like Janson's work, too; I think it's beautiful. And like HB says, while some find his work overwhelming, that may be in part because in back then some pencilers--such as Sal B.--were basically doing layouts/breakdowns...so the inker necessarily had to take a bigger role in the art and more of his work would show up in the finished product. Re #182: there's a letter from none other than Kurt Busiek, in which he complains that Steve Gerber made the Beast too much like Howard the Duck in #178--in other words, Gerber emphasized humor at the expense of the Beast's other qualities.
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Post by michidiers on Feb 21, 2011 11:42:58 GMT -5
US-Avengers #183„The redoubtable Return of Crusher Creel“ Michelinie/Byrne/Janson After by the US-Government forced re-organisation of the Avengers the first task is the mad iron-bowl swinging Crusher Creel (Absorbing Man). The cause is an ordinary saloon punch-up at the NY pier between Crusher Creel and the ex-Avenger Clint Barton. Clint calls his ex-comrades by phone for help to the location. The Avengers are heading to the harbour and encounters there the Absorbing Man grown up to an amazing iron-giant. The first foe after the Korvac-Saga and the following re-organisation of the team is the Absorbing Man. He is a typical B-foe from the second league. Over and over after significant incidents and big changes an easier foe like him (for example Whirlwind is one of these foes, too) is battling against the Avengers. I think the writer intends to give the reader a little breather after such big incidents and stories.
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Post by humanbelly on Feb 21, 2011 13:48:32 GMT -5
US-Avengers #183„The redoubtable Return of Crusher Creel“ Michelinie/Byrne/Janson After by the US-Government forced re-organisation of the Avengers the first task is the mad iron-bowl swinging Crusher Creel (Absorbing Man). The cause is an ordinary saloon punch-up at the NY pier between Crusher Creel and the ex-Avenger Clint Barton. Clint calls his ex-comrades by phone for help to the location. The Avengers are heading to the harbour and encounters there the Absorbing Man grown up to an amazing iron-giant. The first foe after the Korvac-Saga and the following re-organisation of the team is the Absorbing Man. He is a typical B-foe from the second league. Over and over after significant incidents and big changes an easier foe like him (for example Whirlwind is one of these foes, too) is battling against the Avengers. I think the writer intends to give the reader a little breather after such big incidents and stories. This is another cover that I've always liked, and I'm not even sure why, oddly enough. It might even be something as simple as the fact that the background is a lovely, bright blue sky, and all the colors look great against it. Not many pretty, waterfront blue skies on your typical comic-cover, historically. . . Pretty dynamic portrait of Creel, too. Am I right in remembering that this was just about the first time we had a portrayal of Crusher Creel where he had a bit more depth? Without yielding the fact that he's a creep, and a brute, and a thug, and dangerously, horribly violent-- we manage to see a bit of completely unexpected depth, yes? In that he mostly just wants to hang it all up, and get the heck out of town to live some simple, idyllic (and laughably implausible) life in seclusion on an island somewhere. Doesn't want to fight--- just wants to GO. Mind you he appears to be kidnapping that hapless woman in the process. . . and yet, the writing manages to elicit an almost sympathetic response to his situation. I thought this was pretty cool. HB
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Post by michidiers on Feb 22, 2011 10:05:35 GMT -5
US-Avengers #183 Am I right in remembering that this was just about the first time we had a portrayal of Crusher Creel where he had a bit more depth? Without yielding the fact that he's a creep, and a brute, and a thug, and dangerously, horribly violent-- we manage to see a bit of completely unexpected depth, yes? In that he mostly just wants to hang it all up, and get the heck out of town to live some simple, idyllic (and laughably implausible) life in seclusion on an island somewhere. Doesn't want to fight--- just wants to GO. Mind you he appears to be kidnapping that hapless woman in the process. . . and yet, the writing manages to elicit an almost sympathetic response to his situation. I thought this was pretty cool. HB HB: Yes, that´s right! Crusher only wants his rest and wants to go to a little republik in south america. land where no superheroes hanging around. But after his little stuggle with clint Barton in the saloon a chain of events is hindering him to follow his vacation-shedule. During the battle he has got a cute female employee as a hostage. First she has a vilent adversion to him, but during the fight she changes her mind. Creel forces her to get out the way because he´s got a feeling that battle is gonna get messy and he don´t want her to get hurt. The Beauty and the Beast... Ah, I´ve read the next issue just hereafter: US-Avengers #184“Death in the Hudson” David Michelinie/ John Byrne/ D. Hands (Inks) Continued from Avengers #183: With united forces the Avengers are able to overwhelm the Absorbing-Man. He is beaten and jumps into the Hudson River. There he turns himself into water, dispersing into the ocean. He disappears… This story with action and with comedy derived from a situation is pretty OK. The story-strands are well intertwining each other. The inker “D.Hands” is a synonym for “diverse Hands”. One dialogue between the new-Avenger Falcon and the government-agent Gyrich worried me intensively. Gyrich forces Falcon to be on the Avengers to fill some quota concept Falcon answers: "Yassuh, I sho' be glad t'do that li'l thing." and "Sorry "massuh", but when Cap gets a bee in his bonnet there "jus' ain't no stoppin' that chil'. Nossuh!" Hmmm…I don´t really know as a german and no nativ-english speaker….: Yassuh = Yes, sir! Massuh = Massa (Master) Nossuh = No, sir! ? Anybody can help me, what does that mean?
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Post by owene on Feb 22, 2011 17:34:08 GMT -5
any specific bits? the whole thing is the Falcon speaking like a stereotypical southern slave to get across his dislike of being forced on the team due to a racial quota.
Chil' is Child
I've always hd a soft spot for that two parter, very nice Byrne art with a lot of the line up from my earliest issues (although I didn't get to read this actual story for ages, even when i got into collecting seriously one of these eluded me for years as it wasn't distributed in the UK) and a nice take on a classic Kirby Bruiser villain. In retrospect it reminds me a lot of what Claremont did with the Juggernaut during the 80s. Still very nasty but largely looking for much simpler pleasures than battling super heroes.
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Post by humanbelly on Feb 24, 2011 19:42:55 GMT -5
[HB: Yes, that´s right! Crusher only wants his rest and wants to go to a little republik in south america. land where no superheroes hanging around. But after his little stuggle with clint Barton in the saloon a chain of events is hindering him to follow his vacation-shedule. Ha!-- that was the very amusing detail that I'd forgotten! Sure, Creel wants to get away from it all. . . BUT, it would still be in circumstances where he'd be able to bully someone around, at the very least. He's just such a classic bully personality-- where he's simply incapable of perceiving self-worth unless it's in circumstances where he's beaten someone else down lower than him. But here, he clearly assumes it shouldn't bother anyone if he usurps some little backwater where the populace is already under a totalitarian boot heel. Hmm-- not that he could actually articulate all of that. . . Boy, mich, your question about Falcon's 19th-century American slave idiom is a very neat reminder that many aspects of American culture aren't as widespread as we (here) tend to think they are. Things that, to us, are ingrained and easily-recognized parts of our culture (and even our society) can come across as completely unrecognizable artifacts to folks from other places. During grad school, I had a pair of housemates who were exchange students (music) directly from China. VERY sheltered, traditional young women. I was playing the Beatles "You Won't See Me" on my guitar one night, and they asked me what it was. I told them it was the Beatles. Aaaaaand they had no clue. Had NEVER heard of the Beatles. Never. This was in 1987. I was completely at a loss as to how to even begin explaining. . . HB
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Post by ultron69 on Mar 24, 2011 12:35:04 GMT -5
Boy, and I always loved Klaus Janson's inks-- especially on the Defenders, over Sal B. I do know that many folks found his style too heavy and overwhelming, though. I like Janson's work, too; I think it's beautiful. And like HB says, while some find his work overwhelming, that may be in part because in back then some pencilers--such as Sal B.--were basically doing layouts/breakdowns...so the inker necessarily had to take a bigger role in the art and more of his work would show up in the finished product. Re #182: there's a letter from none other than Kurt Busiek, in which he complains that Steve Gerber made the Beast too much like Howard the Duck in #178--in other words, Gerber emphasized humor at the expense of the Beast's other qualities. Yeah, I love the Beast, but he was just a bit too much of a clown at this time. One wouldn't even know he was a genius. As far as #182, didn't the old guy try to fool the Avengers with some illusions? Then Wanda tells the Vision to destroy his magic stone, destroying the spell? Also, more of the guy we love to hate in this issue, Gyrich, as he seems taken aback by Jocasta's presence. Regarding the inking, I most definitely like the previos issue, inked by Gene Day, over this Klaus Janson work.
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Post by ultron69 on Mar 24, 2011 12:39:30 GMT -5
US-Avengers #183„The redoubtable Return of Crusher Creel“ Michelinie/Byrne/Janson After by the US-Government forced re-organisation of the Avengers the first task is the mad iron-bowl swinging Crusher Creel (Absorbing Man). The cause is an ordinary saloon punch-up at the NY pier between Crusher Creel and the ex-Avenger Clint Barton. Clint calls his ex-comrades by phone for help to the location. The Avengers are heading to the harbour and encounters there the Absorbing Man grown up to an amazing iron-giant. The first foe after the Korvac-Saga and the following re-organisation of the team is the Absorbing Man. He is a typical B-foe from the second league. Over and over after significant incidents and big changes an easier foe like him (for example Whirlwind is one of these foes, too) is battling against the Avengers. I think the writer intends to give the reader a little breather after such big incidents and stories. I love the fact that the Absorbing Man decides to take a steamer to South America, where there are no superheroes, so that he can run rampant. We can already see that the Falcon won't be an Avenger for long, as he's not happy being the "token" black. Ms. Marvel, who was never one of my favorites (at least not at this point) replaces Wanda, and Clint has to call the Avengers the old fashioned way. How did people ever survive without cell phones? Like the previous issue, very solid writing. I liked the art a little better than #182, even though it's the same art team. Very good art, overall.
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Post by sharkar on Mar 24, 2011 18:49:57 GMT -5
As far as #182, didn't the old guy try to fool the Avengers with some illusions? Then Wanda tells the Vision to destroy his magic stone, destroying the spell? Right--the spell is broken and Wanda and Pietro's souls flow back into their human bodies (their souls were previously trapped in those grotesque little dolls). US-Avengers #183 Ms. Marvel, who was never one of my favorites (at least not at this point) replaces Wanda, and Clint has to call the Avengers the old fashioned way... Speaking of Clint and Wanda, I really like their scene together in #183, it was very true to their friendship. "That Vision is one lucky machine, " Clint thinks--this cracks me up ;D, it's quintessential Clint!
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Post by ultron69 on Mar 25, 2011 10:43:06 GMT -5
By the way, I love the avatar, sharkar.
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Post by michidiers on Mar 30, 2011 9:57:57 GMT -5
By the way, I love the avatar, sharkar. Yes, I´m too!!! ;D After turing back from a seminar in Berlin, I´ve read the next issue: US Avengers # 185 David Michelinie/John Byrne/Dan Green „The Yesterday Quest“ Pietro and Wanda are in an small village in East Transia, near the border to Wundagore. In East Transia they are hoping to discover more about their origin. At night sleeping in her bed in an old hostel Wanda has an eerie encounter with a being namend “Modred”. Modred leads her to follow him in an instant to Wundagore mountain. Wanda follows him. Awaking in the morning, Pietro finds Wandas empty bed and follows her to the top of Wundagore mountain. At half way to the top he was stopped by an invisible energetycal wall. He is stunning, falling down and is fainting. Hours later the baffled Pietro awakes in a tiny bed in a pretty bedroom. And his nanny “Bova” is sitting next to him… Ja, this is a preatty dramatic and dense story. The location, a small tiny village in the Alpines, provides the story with a spooky atmosphere and the hillybilly residents are speaking a english/german gibberish (“Fraülein”, but right would be “Fräulein”). The drawings, inks and colours are harmonizing and running well and fine through the whole story. And: what a cover, wow! Ah, before I forget. I was wondering about the name “Wunda gore”. I suppose this could be a composed word: the german “Wunder” and the slavic “góra” (polish declined: góry/góre ), translated in english: “wondermountain”.
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Post by sharkar on Mar 30, 2011 18:46:25 GMT -5
By the way, I love the avatar, sharkar. By the way, I love the avatar, sharkar. Yes, I´m too!!! ;D Ultron69 and Michidiers: glad you like the avatar! As you may know, this was an ad that appeared in Marvel Comics in the 1980s, calling for 10-14 year old girls to audition to play the role of Cap's -- er, "very special friend" in a proposed Captain America musical.
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Post by sharkar on Mar 30, 2011 19:21:33 GMT -5
After turing back from a seminar in Berlin, I´ve read the next issue: US Avengers # 185 David Michelinie/John Byrne/Dan Green „The Yesterday Quest“ Welcome back, michidiers! I've been eagerly awaiting your review of this issue, as it's one of my favorite Avengers issues (no surprise, right, because it features two of my all-time favorite characters...) I agree. I love #185's cover. It expresses--to me anyway--what Wanda and Pietro are all about: they are constantly being besieged, Pietro responds with anger and defiance; and Wanda, despite her great power, is always in need of protection. Cover artist Perez perfectly captures the siblings' core personalities (as I see them) and their lot in life. Ah, before I forget. I was wondering about the name “Wunda gore”. I suppose this could be a composed word: the german “Wunder” and the slavic “góra” (polish declined: góry/góre ), translated in english: “wondermountain”. Yes, makes a lot of sense and fit perfectly...Vielen Dank! edit: fixed image
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Post by ultron69 on Apr 5, 2011 15:00:30 GMT -5
US Avengers # 185 David Michelinie/John Byrne/Dan Green „The Yesterday Quest“ Pietro and Wanda are in an small village in East Transia, near the border to Wundagore. In East Transia they are hoping to discover more about their origin. At night sleeping in her bed in an old hostel Wanda has an eerie encounter with a being namend “Modred”. Modred leads her to follow him in an instant to Wundagore mountain. Wanda follows him. Awaking in the morning, Pietro finds Wandas empty bed and follows her to the top of Wundagore mountain. At half way to the top he was stopped by an invisible energetycal wall. He is stunning, falling down and is fainting. Hours later the baffled Pietro awakes in a tiny bed in a pretty bedroom. And his nanny “Bova” is sitting next to him… Ja, this is a preatty dramatic and dense story. The location, a small tiny village in the Alpines, provides the story with a spooky atmosphere and the hillybilly residents are speaking a english/german gibberish (“Fraülein”, but right would be “Fräulein”). The drawings, inks and colours are harmonizing and running well and fine through the whole story. And: what a cover, wow! Ah, before I forget. I was wondering about the name “Wunda gore”. I suppose this could be a composed word: the german “Wunder” and the slavic “góra” (polish declined: góry/góre ), translated in english: “wondermountain”. I enjoyed this one a lot, too. I always found the relationship between Pietro and Wanda very intersting. Also, I was really interested in what would happen next after the ending of this issue. What is Bova doing there? I also really loved the art. This is back when John Byrne could really draw!
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Post by ultron69 on Apr 5, 2011 15:02:21 GMT -5
Ultron69 and Michidiers: glad you like the avatar! As you may know, this was an ad that appeared in Marvel Comics in the 1980s, calling for 10-14 year old girls to audition to play the role of Cap's -- er, "very special friend" in a proposed Captain America musical. Actually, Sharkar, I was wondering where that image came from. I assumed it was from some kind of musical, though. Thanks for the info. Now that you mention its origin, it does looks vaguely familiar.
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Post by humanbelly on Apr 5, 2011 16:16:55 GMT -5
[ I enjoyed this one a lot, too. I always found the relationship between Pietro and Wanda very intersting. Oh man, CREEPY is the word that always presents itself to me w/out my initiating it! And folks commented on it from their earliest appearances! Even as a kid I thought that their brother/sister bond was awfully (and squirmily) warped away from the normal familial love and bonds that I shared with my own sisters. Kinda like Donny & Marie Osmond about to jump into each other's arms when they sang Paper Roses. . . YIIIIIICK!!! I totally agree. This is one of those issues where story and art meld into a story that gets you all old-fashioned tingley with excitement and anticipation. I'd also add that I think John Byrne's ability to convey Quicksilver's speed is just about second to none. It's a tough quality to convey in a motionless visual medium, but I totally "get" it in Byrne's hands. HB
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Post by ultron69 on Apr 6, 2011 8:04:07 GMT -5
Yeah Humanbelly, there are times when Wanda & Pietro seemed a bit too close. No wonder he was so angry when she hooked up with the Vision!
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Post by michidiers on May 2, 2011 10:40:28 GMT -5
US Avengers # 186 David Michelinie/John Byrne/Dan Green „Nights of Wundagore“ Continued from #185: After Quicksilver awakes in the mountain shelter of Wundarore, the human cow “Bova” tells him the true story of his and his sisters childhood. Scared by these information’s, Quicksilver runs downhill to the little mountain village and calls for help to the Avengers to find his kidnapped sister (#185). Meanwhile Wanda was brainwashed by her abductor “Modred” and ambushed Pietro and foster-father Danjo Maximoff… This is a very good and gripping continuation about the destiny of the siblings Wanda und Pietro Maximoff. It is very astonishing. In the already 50 year Avengers history you can still find even today in current issues hints and connections in the behaviour-patterns of Wanda and Pietro to these old storys. Very fantastic! Interesting is Bovas story about Pietros and Wandas childhood. Bova was the midwife of the birth. After the birth the mother “Magda” abandoned the twins. For a several time “Whizzler” Robert Frank was foster-father, only to leave the children too. After that Bova and the Hihg Evolutionary found new foster-parents for the siblings: Django Maximoff and his wife. But not very long...
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Post by owene on May 2, 2011 15:44:18 GMT -5
yeah i think that story managed to put the different competing theories about the twins parentage together really well, all linking together with that little panel in X-men of Magneto remembering Magda. have to reread it one of these days.
Michelinie strikes me as being quite the underrated Avengers scribe, and Marvel comics writer all round. I guess his spider-man run possibly went on too long and he got associated with a fairly uncool period of marvel history but he did a lot of great work on the avengers and you never really hear him mentioned in the top 3 or 4 avengers writers. Great stuff on Iron Man too.
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Post by ultron69 on May 3, 2011 8:57:41 GMT -5
My favorite part of #186 is when Gyrich doesn't want to let the Avengers go help Wanda & Pietro, and he goes over Gyrich's head to the President! LOL
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Post by michidiers on May 17, 2011 9:40:24 GMT -5
My favorite part of #186 is when Gyrich doesn't want to let the Avengers go help Wanda & Pietro, and he goes over Gyrich's head to the President! LOL ;D ;D US Avengers #187„The call of the mountain Thing“ Continued from #186: After the incidents of #186 Wanda is obsessed by the being “Chthon”. She overwhelmed all Avengers and aspires now to order the whole world. Even in a last strain the Avengers are able to beat Wanda. And with help of foster-father Django Maximoff they can banish Chthon into the mountain. After all Django Maximoff is injured an has got bad hurts. He is dying. A felicitous play of words is the story-title „The call of the mountain Thing“. It is according to Edward Griegs suite “The hall of the mountain King“ to the fairy tale und theatre-play „Peer Gynt“ of the Norwegian writer Heinrich Ibsen. So it isn’t a wonder that this mountain-story is appearing like a fairy-tale. This is story with a dramatic and effects until our modern comic-time. Here the original Griegs „The Hall of the Mountain King“. Attention, this is a catchy tune! After hearing I´m whistling it myself around two hours... And a Heavy Metal adaption of Apocalyptica´s CD „Cult“:
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Post by ultron69 on May 24, 2011 8:40:32 GMT -5
You're right "The Hall of the Mountain King“ is a great tune.
I love Beaast charging in a suit of armor. Magic stories often have a dues ex machina quality to them, but I thought this one was well thought out. Also, the Avengers used teamwork well here. More great Byrne art, too.
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Post by sharkar on May 25, 2011 19:51:11 GMT -5
Ah, love Grieg-- the piano concerto, the Peer Gynt music. Thanks for posting, michidiers. Also, several pages ago in this very thread I mentioned a few of my favorite European actors, including Edith Clever and Bruno Ganz--coincidentally, they appeared in a 1970s filmed version of Peer Gynt (I have not seen it). Okay, back to comics! Regarding Avengers #186 and the awful Gyrich, I love this panel (below on the left)...IMO it's Byrne's homage/recall of Avengers #96: EDIT: typos
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Post by sharkar on May 25, 2011 20:10:36 GMT -5
Interesting is Bovas story about Pietros and Wandas childhood. Bova was the midwife of the birth. After the birth the mother “Magda” abandoned the twins. yeah i think that story managed to put the different competing theories about the twins parentage together really well, all linking together with that little panel in X-men of Magneto remembering Magda. have to reread it one of these days. OK, then is for you, Owen ...and for those of you who may be wondering what we are talking about when it comes to Magda. Here's what was shown in Avengers #186: And a month later (in real time), here's what readers of X-Men #125 would have seen:
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Post by ultron69 on May 31, 2011 7:56:10 GMT -5
This is actually reminding me a bit of Return of the Jedi, where the male & female twins had to be hidden from the evil and all powerful father.
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Post by michidiers on Jun 7, 2011 9:48:41 GMT -5
This is actually reminding me a bit of Return of the Jedi, where the male & female twins had to be hidden from the evil and all powerful father. As I read your words, I must though it too!!! @shakar: I have X-Men #125 here in my home in Germany in the X-Men Essential Vol.2 and made a look at that page just now. I´ve read this issue three or four years ago. But I´ve forgotten that pathetic scene. Thank you for the memory!!
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Post by michidiers on Jun 8, 2011 10:18:11 GMT -5
US Avengers #188„Elementary, dear Avengers“ Mantlo/Byrne/Green After the adventure in Wundagore (#185 – 187) the Avengers are heading back to HQ. Without permission they overflow the soviet air-space and remark an incident down in a nuclear plant of the Red Army. There mutated the elements Phosphor, Vanadium, Karbon and Radium after an accident to evil super beings. After a discussion the Avengers lands the Quinjet and interferes to help the Red Army. In the first instance helpless, the Avengers are even in a second assault with an laser beamer are ultimately successful. At first blush is it a banal fight-story with common drawings. But interesting are the backgrounds. It alludes to the secret CIA- espionage flights over soviet territory from 50th – 70th and the shot down of the U2-aircraft pilot Gary Powers in 1957 (?) by the russians: Therefore is generating an agile and interesting discussion about obedience and disobedience and if the avengers have to help the “cold-war enemy” Red Army. Very well, this story! And I like these old-school issues much more than the new current Avenger issues appearing here in Germany.
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Post by humanbelly on Jun 12, 2011 5:59:38 GMT -5
US Avengers #188„Elementary, dear Avengers“ Mantlo/Byrne/Green After the adventure in Wundagore (#185 – 187) the Avengers are heading back to HQ. Without permission they overflow the soviet air-space and remark an incident down in a nuclear plant of the Red Army. There mutated the elements Phosphor, Vanadium, Karbon and Radium after an accident to evil super beings. After a discussion the Avengers lands the Quinjet and interferes to help the Red Army. In the first instance helpless, the Avengers are even in a second assault with an laser beamer are ultimately successful. At first blush is it a banal fight-story with common drawings. But interesting are the backgrounds. It alludes to the secret CIA- espionage flights over soviet territory from 50th – 70th and the shot down of the U2-aircraft pilot Gary Powers in 1957 (?) by the russians: Therefore is generating an agile and interesting discussion about obedience and disobedience and if the avengers have to help the “cold-war enemy” Red Army. Very well, this story! And I like these old-school issues much more than the new current Avenger issues appearing here in Germany. I definitely remember that this issue felt a little out of whack-- although the art went a long way towards making it readable. I notice that it was a step-in writing assignment for Bill Mantlo, which certainly would have contributed to the awkwardness. The whole humans-turned-into-sentient-humanoid-elements from the periodic table crux of the plot really falls off of the far edge of the plausibility scale--- even by very lax comic book standards-! I agree, though-- the subtler cold-war based tensions were the neater aspect of the issue (as well as the Falcon's unhappy status at that point. . . am I remembering correctly?) HB
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Post by ultron69 on Jun 13, 2011 12:06:05 GMT -5
US Avengers #188„Elementary, dear Avengers“ Mantlo/Byrne/Green I thought this issue was OK, but nothing special, especially considering that most of the previous 40 or so issue had been so good. Still, I found it interesting that the Avengers took a vote on whether or not to help the Russians, the Cold War enemies, as michidiers calls them. The are was very good, though just a half a notch below the previous three issues, perhaps because of the tag team of inkers?
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