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Post by michidiers on Apr 28, 2010 9:49:24 GMT -5
Ok, thank you. At now I´m reading the issue #18 an will see what will come in the next issues! My last reading was: US AVENGERS #164 „To fall by treachery“ In this issue the Avengers has to tussle against the „Lethal Legion“. The Lethal Legion are the villains Power Man, Living Laser and Whirlwind. As the Lethal Legion is beaten, it all seems like an easy walkover for the Avengers. But the foes are only a vanguard for a far mightier foe: Count Nefaria enters...! This is a typical prelude story for a story-arc. Im waiting in suspense, what Nefaria will do with the Avengers in the next issues. As an assistant of Nefaria appears the Nazi-scientist Dr. Klaus Sturdy. The broad german accent speaking Klaus Sturdy was in former times a helper of Baron Zemo and helped him to transform Simon Williams into Wonder Man (US Avengers #9).
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Post by humanbelly on Apr 29, 2010 20:17:42 GMT -5
Is this the issue where Whirlwind tries to "whirl" the Beast into oblivion, but Hank just clutches onto him throughout, and then comments on how fun it was? GREAT moment! Also- am I remembering that this was a period where Beast felt like he was kind of dead weight for the team? Always getting knocked out, thrown away, or taken hostage and rarely contributing? I mean, it really was the case for quite some time-- kind of an odd quirk that they went to great lengths to get him onto the team, and then never find a way to use him very effectively. And yet he frequently ranks quite high in folks' Favorite Avengers lists. I'd probably include him on mine, in fact.
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Post by michidiers on May 3, 2010 9:37:50 GMT -5
Also- am I remembering that this was a period where Beast felt like he was kind of dead weight for the team? Always getting knocked out, thrown away, or taken hostage and rarely contributing? I mean, it really was the case for quite some time-- kind of an odd quirk that they went to great lengths to get him onto the team, and then never find a way to use him very effectively. And yet he frequently ranks quite high in folks' Favorite Avengers lists. I'd probably include him on mine, in fact. Yes, it is. Hank says after it: "Hey, that was fun Whirly! Not as much fun as the MAGIC MOUNTAIN, mind you, but it´ll do. MAGIC MOUNTAIN: I guess, he is meaning that: Beast felt like he was kind of dead weight for the team? Yes, it looks so. In all of the last issues he´s poundering about his rule as a bystander in the team.
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Post by sharkar on May 26, 2010 18:03:10 GMT -5
Michidiers: I've been meaning to tell you I like your new avatar, Die Ruhmreichen Rächer #55 (the German equivalent to Avengers #56). Great cover, great story.
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Post by michidiers on May 27, 2010 7:21:14 GMT -5
shakar: Thanks, the web-side of my old avatar was deleted, and so I had to put in here a new picture. Fantastic Cover! My last reading: US Avengers #165„Hammer of Vengeance!“ After Count Nefaria was entering the scene, the Avengers had to interplay their forces to resist his enormous power. After an expieriment (#164) of Professor Kenneth Sturdy, a former Nazi-scientist, Nefaria posesses unimaginable might. And in the following fight the Avengers has to feel the enormous power of Nefaria. One after another of the Avengers falls. The team appears to be beatened. Only one could withstand Nefarias forces: Thor enters! Count Nefaria is for me a interesting charakter. His aristocratic-insolent arrogance and his sololiquies are out of the common and very interesting. But besides: in the last issues the Avengers were to often beatenend by the foes in the first clash only to prevail the foes in the second clash. That was a little to much stereotyping in the last issues.
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Post by michidiers on Jul 5, 2010 10:14:57 GMT -5
US Avengers #166 „Day of the Godslayer“ As Thor and the meanwhile from his damages (Avengers #160, 162) recovered Vision interferes into the struggle against the apparently invincible Count Nefaria, the tide turnes. With united powers Thor and Vison are able to incapacitate him. But the fight has made a bad mark on the team. After the experiments of Professor Sturdy (#164, 165) Nefaria is been now apparently immortal. And there is trouble in the team: Thor , Cap and Iron Man are accusing among each other of an ill-diszipline while the combats. I think, there isn´t spoken the last word in this affair… By the way: while the combat lasted, an unknown slipped unrecognized into the mansion and made there stealthy fotos from the rooms. My result: Not fine, not bad. I´ve read better comics, but lousier too.
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Post by michidiers on Jul 11, 2010 6:18:10 GMT -5
US Avengers #167„Tomorrow dies today!“The Avengers have to inspect a space station in order of Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD. This unknown space station appears suddenly and shortly before in the orbit of earth. In the station the Avengers encounters the Guardians of the Galaxy. The Guardians are a space-time police and are persuading “KOVAC”, an old space-time villain. The Guardians are fearing for KOVAC will kill the teammate “Vance Astor”. Vance Astro, today as a child living on earth, will found the Guardians of the Galaxy in the distant future. If he kill Vance Astro, a new alterative time-line would begin. And this new time-line without the Guardians of the Galaxy Kovac could roule. The Avengers assure they help in the search for young Vance Astro. Meanwhile on earth: Janet van Dyne-Pyms model-show passes entirely different as thought. The „Porcupine“ (German: “Stachelschwein”) and his thugs commits an armed raid on the show. But among the guests of the show are Yellowjacket and Nighthawk! And they defeats the raid by theyr super powers. But among the guests is another unknown stranger. He has got apparently telepathic powers and abducts one of Janets beautiful models… Yes this is a tensioned kick-off with very good ideas years before “Terminator” or “Back to future”. I´m tensioned how it will go on. And: fine drawings by George Perez!
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Post by starfoxxx on Jul 11, 2010 11:15:58 GMT -5
#167 is just one of the PERFECT comic book covers---EVER, IMHO.
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Post by michidiers on Jul 12, 2010 5:46:02 GMT -5
#167 is just one of the PERFECT comic book covers---EVER, IMHO. Yes, indeed. Therefore I´ve read the following issue only one day later. US Avengers #168“First Blood” The Avengers turns back from the orbit into the headquarter with the new partners, the Guardians of the Galaxy. And there is awaiting an unpleasant surprise. Peter Gyrich is waiting for the Avengers. Gyrich is the security administrator of the government and slipped unharmed into the headquarter in issue #165. Now he blames the Avengers for their deficient security arrangements. Hereon erupts a heated quarrel between Cap and Iron Man. They shuffles the responsibility each other. This is very embarrassing for all present members of the Avengers and the Guardians of the Galaxie. After that unpleasant incident the teams has to plan the next step to prevent the young Vance Astro from “Kovacs” killing-schedule (#167). For that, Tony Stark will hire a house for the Guardians in Vance´s neighbourhood to stay close to little Vance Astro. But meanwhile one of the Guardians, “Starhawk”, fights his own personal fight against an unknown entity on an astrally level in a parallel-universe. Starhawk looses the fight, but turns back to his team. But it appears he is under influence of the unknown mighty entity. My opinion: Very, very tensioned. And it´s time for the appearance of Peter Gyrich to find fault with the deficient security of the headquarter. In the last issues a couple of villains were strolling into and out off the mansion without strains. Writer Jim Shooter picked this up for an interesting plot in the story.
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Post by scottharris on Jul 12, 2010 12:58:15 GMT -5
Just so you know, the next issue, #169, is a fill-in issue that doesn't have anything to do with this storyline. If you want to experience the series as people buying it did, go ahead and read it, but if you want to read the whole Korvac saga without pointless interruptions, I'd recommend skipping #169 and waiting until you've finished #170-177 to go back and read it. #178, 179 and 180 are all also fill-ins, so by reading #169 along with them you won't be missing anything.
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Post by sharkar on Jul 13, 2010 20:38:01 GMT -5
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Post by michidiers on Jul 14, 2010 5:14:46 GMT -5
If you want to experience the series as people buying it did, go ahead and read it I´ve decided to read in chronological order US Avengers 169“If we would fail, the world dies tonight” The dying industrial Jason Beere plans in case of his dead a villainous schedule. If his heart gives out, four neutron-bombs will explode anywhere on earth. The Avengers searches for the bombs and find three of them in Moscow, Peru and Antarctica. The fourth bomb is hidden in the body of Beere and attached to his heart. If they try to remove the warhead, it will detonate. So Tony Stark has to attach one of his chest plates to keep Jason Beeres heart throbbing. His body has to remain inside a cryogenic chamber to slow down his heartbeat. The earth is in the first instance rescued. In this issue Marvel switched the writers. And the new writer Marv Wolvman didn´t continued Jim Shooters tensioned storyline “Guardians of the Galaxie vs. Kovac” from Avengers # 168. Fortunately he will pick up that story line the following issues, as you wrote in the last post. Before I was scared, that Avengers #168 would be a part of a crossover Avengers/Guardians and is continued in one of the issues of Guardians of the Galaxie… shakar: I will buy "Captain America & The Korvac Saga" in December at Amazon.
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Post by michidiers on Jul 16, 2010 9:44:50 GMT -5
US Avengers #170 „…though hell should bar the way!“ After the incidents in Avengers #161, 162 the metalloid body of the “Bride of Ultron” stores in the Avengers headquarter. In this issue revives the body, leaves the mansion and disappears into the night. The Avengers appears helpless. Only Iron Mans sensors built into his armor have locked on to her electrical patterns. He can trace her anywhere. He hopes, she is going to lead them to Ultron. Meanwhile the Gaurdians are still remaining in the neighbourhood of young Vance Astor to preserve him from killing by Kovac. But more dangerous as Kovac is the bad traffic on New York streets. The Guardian “Charlie-27” keeps a big freight vehicle from smashing the young boy. This issue is well written an well drawn. And here appears two humorous opposet characters in the issue: “Mack and Myers”, two movers to charter the body of the Bride of Ultron to the mansion. They are speaking a funny freaky accent. Do anybody know, what kind of accent it is? It´s not easy for me to read theyr speech ballons and understand them with my school-englisch knowledge.
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Post by sharkar on Jul 18, 2010 21:07:56 GMT -5
US Avengers #170 ...And here appears two humorous opposet characters in the issue: “Mack and Myers”, two movers to charter the body of the Bride of Ultron to the mansion. They are speaking a funny freaky accent. Do anybody know, what kind of accent it is? Hi Mich, The "funny freaky accent" ;D is the written approximation of a type of New York accent called a Brooklyn accent; Brooklyn is a borough of New York City. The writing here also seems to include some elements of the closely-related Queens accent (Queens is another NYC borough of NYC), the type attributed to the then-popular 1970s American TV character Archie Bunker ("All in the Family"); one of his favorite catchwords, "stifle", is used on p.11. So some words may be pronounced differently than what's typically considered "proper"/formal American English (NYC comprises people from a large variety of different countries, so vocal variations are not uncommon). In Avengers #170: --"yourself" becomes "yerself" (p. 11) --"you're" (you are) is rendered as "yer" (p. 15) --"that" becomes "dat" (p. 16)
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Post by sharkar on Jul 26, 2010 17:32:51 GMT -5
Michidiers: sorry this is a day late, but we wanted to wish you a Hope your birthday was filled wth cake and comics!! ;D
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Post by michidiers on Aug 1, 2010 7:53:13 GMT -5
Ah, thank you very much. !!!! 44 years old... US Avengers #171„where angels fear to tread“ Continued from US Avengers #170: The Avengers traces Jocasta until reaching a old convent. There Ultron plans to reach the world domination together with his "tin lizzy" Jocasta. But first he has to annihilate the Avengers. While the Avengers are fighting physically against him, he separates the Scarlet Witch from them. She has to pass an odd maze with mirrors, trickery and illusion. Ultron apparently is scared for the hexpower of the Scarlet Witch and fights against her in this weird stage. But the Avengers are able to avert this dangerous threat and overwhelm Ultron in a strange fight. After the fight Captain America and Jocasta vanish all at once. The Avengers are perlex, only Wanda is apprehensive of a new and great menace… In this issue is the first appearance of Ms. Marvel, Carol Danvers. She joined the team for this fight against Ulron. The issue ended with a really tensioned cliffhanger, after Cap and Jocasta vanished. Penciller George Perez made a really good job, especially the performance of the crazy mirror maze where the Witch is trapped.
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Post by michidiers on Aug 9, 2010 10:15:38 GMT -5
US Avengers #172„Holocaust in New York Harbour“ Continued from Avengers #171: The situation worses for the Avengers. Cap, Quicksilver, Moondragon, Rawhide Kid and Jocasta were vanished in the last issues. And after a further security breach in the Avengers Mansion, the US security officer Gyrich revokes the Avengers the priority status. From this moment on, their ties with the federal gouvernment are severed. The Avengers has now to seperate up to little teams to bear the next tasks: - Wonderman, the new returned Hawkeye, Vision, Scarlet Witch und Ms. Marvel are heading to the New York Habor to struggle against Tyrak, - Wasp and YJ have to call former teammates to rejoin the Avengers , - Thor and Beast are on standby in case another disaster pops up, - Iron Man is going into the lab to start working on the disappearances. As all is fixed, Vision disappears all at once, too. The rest of the Avengers suppose a scheme of a unknown foe. The Avengers new concern is to keep trying to find out how the other teammates are being abducted… Even if the tension stays pretty high, this issue is underwhelming. The drawings by Sal Buscema seems unmotivated to me. Withal the print of the book is very bad and i cannot perceive details of the drawings and the words in the speech ballons. A lot of fan-letters to the editor deals with the Avengers Annual 7 (with Warlock?). They are all full of fulsome praise about the story. Is anyone familiar with this story of the Annual 7? Is the story indeed so distinguished? If it might be so, I will buy it here in Germany on EBay.
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Post by michidiers on Aug 16, 2010 11:53:52 GMT -5
Avengers #173„Threshold obvilion“ Jim Shooter und David Michelinie/Sal Buscema/D. Hands With help of Vance Astro, a member of the Guardians of the Galaxy, the Avengers are able to trace the vanished Avengers to an orbiting construct. Vance Astro teleports the Avengers to the construct. There just arrived Iron Man, Thor, Hawkeye and Wasp encounters the Collector. The Collector has got there a sumptuous collection of captured Avengers. And he ain´t thinking about to give up his collection. On the contrary: with the arriving Avengers his collection would be complete… Meanwhile odd things happen in a nice house in the outskirts of New York. Two handsome lovers named Michael and Carina are pretending a normal pair. But behind the facade they appear to be powerful super-beings and showed their true colours. Apparently they are involved in the incidents of Kovac and The Guardians of the Galaxy (Kovac Saga). In this issue I found a very nice literarily lyric of Shooter/Michelinie: „ A moment passes…, as the softly weeping woman walks, from the study, enters her bedchamber, and there allows the torment that has blistered her soul these many days to find release, her body quivering with gentle sobs, staining the satin blanket with moist, warm, droplets.“Sensitive words and drawings construct a nice interaction of word and drawings. This is famous and rare for a comic full of superheros and proofed here a first-rate performance.
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Post by sharkar on Aug 17, 2010 19:18:38 GMT -5
A lot of fan-letters to the editor deals with the Avengers Annual 7 (with Warlock?). They are all full of fulsome praise about the story. Is anyone familiar with this story of the Annual 7? Is the story indeed so distinguished? If it might be so, I will buy it here in Germany on EBay. Mich, Sorry, wish I could help...but I haven't read Annual #7. However I believe the story (featuring the Avengers, Warlock, Thanos et al.) is generally considered to be a classic, so it's probably well worth picking up. Also, the story continues into Marvel Two-In-One Annual #2. Regarding Avengers #171-173: Love these two covers with Wanda, Natasha, Herc and YJ--great figurework by Perez. #173's interior art was (IMO) unrecognizable as Sal Buscema's (except for a couple of typical Sal poses). Looks like he just did the sketchiest of layouts here and the art was handled by the army of inkers here (collectively credited as "D. Hands"). I actually liked the pages inked by Win Mortimer the best (pages 2 and 3)--and he's never been one of my favorite artists! But I loved the interplay between Clint and Wanda (in #172-3). They'd been friends for quite a while at this point, and it was nice to see their closeness acknowledged.
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Post by humanbelly on Aug 18, 2010 5:27:49 GMT -5
A lot of fan-letters to the editor deals with the Avengers Annual 7 (with Warlock?). They are all full of fulsome praise about the story. Is anyone familiar with this story of the Annual 7? Is the story indeed so distinguished? If it might be so, I will buy it here in Germany on EBay. Mich, Sorry, wish I could help...but I haven't read Annual #7. However I believe the story (featuring the Avengers, Warlock, Thanos et al.) is generally considered to be a classic, so it's probably well worth picking up. Also, the story continues into Marvel Two-In-One Annual #2. . I would definitely recommend Avengers Annual #7-- but I'd include one note of caution: It's really just as much about (or possibly more about) wrapping up the initial run of Jim Starlin's cancelled WARLOCK series, and there's very much a sense of having stepped into a movie that's already been playing for about an hour. But it's well-written and very well-drawn, so that aspect becomes less of an obstacle and lends it more of a sense of mystery. You'll end up wanting to go back and explore Warlock more in-depth. And honestly, my memory of the Two-in-One Annual half doesn't stick with me nearly as much. HB
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Post by michidiers on Aug 25, 2010 11:29:33 GMT -5
humanbelly and shakar: If I find here the Annual 7 anywere on EBay-Germany with a cheap price, then I will buy it. But when not, I think it won´t be a disaster. And by the way: Avengers #173. I wondered at the name in the credits: " D. Hands - finisher". Now I know, that D.Hands are a couple of artists, who finished the drawings. Thank you! But what was meaned by the letter "D" ,written before "Hands".
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Post by scottharris on Aug 25, 2010 12:21:57 GMT -5
Back in the day, when they needed a rush job done because the penciller was late with the pencils, they would send pages of the comic out to multiple inkers at the same time so they could all work on it simultaneously and get the job done faster. This led to the books being on time but to really spotty and sometimes random artwork.
When they did this, rather then individually list the inkers, they would use the pseudonyms "M. Hands" or "D. Hands," which stood respectively for Many Hands or Diverse Hands -- basically their way of saying a bunch of different hands worked on the comic.
Sometimes they would get cute and list the inker as "Manny Hands" rather than Many Hands because it looked more like a real name; but if you see Manny Hands it's not actually a Mexican inker or something, it's just the same rush job.
This site here (http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/12/18/comic-book-legends-revealed-186/) has a little information on some of the instances of D. Hands and M. Hands being credited, including Avengers #173 -- according to their research, the D. Hands for this issue belong to inkers Pablo Marcos, John Tartaglione, Joe Rubinstein, Klaus Janson and Joe Staton.
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Post by sharkar on Aug 25, 2010 13:20:25 GMT -5
humanbelly and shakar: If I find here the Annual 7 anywere on EBay-Germany with a cheap price, then I will buy it. But when not, I think it won´t be a disaster. Yes--thanks to HB's illuminating post, I too get the impression that while it's probably a worthwhile story, it may not be essential to your current Avengers reading project. But what was meaned by the letter "D" ,written before "Hands". Well, how about this: In English, the letter D by itself is pronounced like the German article "die"...what we have here is kind of like the German "die Hand" or "die Hande", right? Ergo, "D. Hands!" (Just kidding--it stands for "Diverse Hands" as Scott and others elsewhere have noted. But it fits phonetically, doesn't it? ;D.) In any case, "D. Hands" is a joking way of crediting "the hands"....the many, many diverse hands who helped with the art here. And if I recall correctly, the actual names of the inkers/finishers are listed in a letter column. When I get home later I'll see if I can find the issue I'm thinking of. EDIT: Okay, I found what I was looking for: check out Avengers #179's letter column, in which Marvel states that "D. Hands" consisted of dese guys--er, I mean, these guys (oops, momentarily lapsed into that "funny freaky" Brooklyn accent that we mentioned in an earlier post in this thread...) Anyway, here's the cast of #173's "D. Hands": Pablo Marcos Win Mortimer Bob McLeod Joe Rubinstein Dan Green Rick Bryant Klaus Janson As mentioned, I liked Mortimer's work (p. 2-3) best here, mostly because I think he did a good job on Herc and Natasha. But overall I found Sal's (IMO) sketchy work in #173 poorly served by the army of inkers.
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Post by michidiers on Aug 26, 2010 10:14:46 GMT -5
humanbelly and shakar: If I find here the Annual 7 anywere on EBay-Germany with a cheap price, then I will buy it. But when not, I think it won´t be a disaster. Yes--thanks to HB's illuminating post, I too get the impression that while it's probably a worthwhile story, it may not be essential to your current Avengers reading project. But what was meaned by the letter "D" ,written before "Hands". Well, how about this: In English, the letter D by itself is pronounced like the German article "die"...what we have here is kind of like the German "die Hand" or "die Hande", right? Ergo, "D. Hands!" (Just kidding--it stands for "Diverse Hands" as Scott and others elsewhere have noted. But it fits phonetically, doesn't it? ;D.) ;D Right: die is spoken like the englisch letter "D" !! German grammatic is very komplicated (for me, too): die is an article nominativ feminin singular (like: die Hand) or is an article nominativ fem./mas./cas. plural (like: die Hände) H ände (ä ist spoken like the "a" in "bad") Very komplicated, but nothing against the polish language, I´m learning now...
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Post by humanbelly on Aug 28, 2010 6:32:58 GMT -5
humanbelly and shakar: Anyway, here's the cast of #173's "D. Hands": Pablo Marcos Win Mortimer Bob McLeod Joe Rubinstein Dan Green Rick Bryant Klaus Janson As mentioned, I liked Mortimer's work (p. 2-3) best here, mostly because I think he did a good job on Herc and Natasha. But overall I found Sal's (IMO) sketchy work in #173 poorly served by the army of inkers. Boy, that's not a bad team of inkers, though, eh? Klaus & Sal were especially well-met during their time together on the Defenders, in fact. (Well, IMHO ) And Marcos, Mcleod, Rubenstein & Green were always guys whose names I took comfort in seeing in the credits--- thinking, "well, even if the pencils are sub-par, these guys'll probably be able to pull a decent look out of it". HB
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Post by michidiers on Aug 28, 2010 10:08:17 GMT -5
Anyway, here's the cast of #173's "D. Hands": Pablo Marcos Win Mortimer Bob McLeod Joe Rubinstein Dan Green Rick Bryant Klaus Janson As mentioned, I liked Mortimer's work (p. 2-3) best here, mostly because I think he did a good job on Herc and Natasha. But overall I found Sal's (IMO) sketchy work in #173 poorly served by the army of inkers. Boy, that's not a bad team of inkers, though, eh? Klaus & Sal were especially well-met during their time together on the Defenders, in fact. (Well, IMHO ) And Marcos, Mcleod, Rubenstein & Green were always guys whose names I took comfort in seeing in the credits--- thinking, "well, even if the pencils are sub-par, these guys'll probably be able to pull a decent look out of it". HB Yes, and they really proofed it in Avengers #173 My last reading: US Avengers #174„Captives of the Collector“ Mantlo/Dave Wenzel/Marcos Continued from Avengers #173: In the little orbiting space station the last Avengers had to struggle against the Collector . All Avengers fall in the fight. Only the supposed weakest Avenger, Hawkeye, is able to resist the Collector and his gadgets. Finally Hawkeye beats the Collector and rescues the other captured Avengers. Then the beatened Collector tells the interested Avengers his origin which dates back to the beginning of the universe. Always when the universe is in danger, he begins to collect species from the world, like Noah to preserve the live forms! And now the universe is in danger. Because in the idyllic outskirts of NY is dwelling an unknown entity with enormous power to obliterate the whole universe. The Collector was scared for this power. He sent his cute daughter Carina to it to arrange a meeting (#167) and to spy out the plans and weaknesses of the being named „Michael“ on earth . But they fell in love together and are living now as the handsome couple Michael and Carina together. But Michael is suspicious and effervescing. And every day the whole reality can obliterate through his hands…. This is one of the best story-arcs I´ve ever read. This is best serial entertainment in comicform.
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Post by humanbelly on Aug 28, 2010 15:30:30 GMT -5
This is one of the best story-arcs I´ve ever read. This is best serial entertainment in comicform. Oh man, Mich-- I imagine many of us on this board envy the fact that you're discovering this story arc for the first time (heck, I've probably mentioned that before, in fact--)! This was truly a landmark story arc for this title-- one that I remember looking forward to each month (and agonizing over how long the wait took-). Unless I'm mistaken, though, we're about to have a one or two issue interruption very soon- right at the most exciting part of this tale- due to deadline problems with getting the book out. And this may be the one sour note that keeps the Michael Saga from being, like, in the top 2 or 3 Avengers arcs of all time--- at least in the minds of us folks who were there when it was originally published. When a tightly-crafted story is interrupted for two months with another unrelated story, it seriously damages the dramatic flow. There's just no way around it. But boy, I still loved it then, and loved re-reading it last year-! Keep a-goin', pal. (Oh, the cover for the last chapter of the saga is one of my favorites of all time-!) HB
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Post by scottharris on Aug 28, 2010 20:24:41 GMT -5
This is one of the best story-arcs I´ve ever read. This is best serial entertainment in comicform. Unless I'm mistaken, though, we're about to have a one or two issue interruption very soon- right at the most exciting part of this tale- due to deadline problems with getting the book out. And this may be the one sour note that keeps the Michael Saga from being, like, in the top 2 or 3 Avengers arcs of all time--- at least in the minds of us folks who were there when it was originally published. When a tightly-crafted story is interrupted for two months with another unrelated story, it seriously damages the dramatic flow. There's just no way around it. But boy, I still loved it then, and loved re-reading it last year-! Keep a-goin', pal. (Oh, the cover for the last chapter of the saga is one of my favorites of all time-!) HB You're going to send poor michidiers into a panic! But luckily, you are kind of mistaken. There were production delays on this story, but instead of interrupting it, they actually changed creative teams instead in order to get it done, hence Jim Shooter's absence from the last couple issues of the storyline. The Korvac Saga continues uninterrupted through it's conclusion in #177, so michi has 3 more issues of pure awesome to get through. At that point, though, they did have 3 fill-ins in a row, in #178-180, which also happen to be probably the worst issues of Avengers published up to that point in time. So it is a bit disappointing coming on the heels of this great storyline, plus it means that the epilogue to the Korvac Saga and the fallout from events in 176-177 aren't addressed until #181. But the Korvac Saga itself isn't interrupted. You can keep reading without fear! By that way, I don't think I'm alone in saying that #174 is my favorite issue of Avengers. Don't worry, though -- this story gets the epic climax it deserves in #177. And then some.
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Post by humanbelly on Aug 29, 2010 6:21:59 GMT -5
[ You're going to send poor michidiers into a panic! But luckily, you are kind of mistaken. There were production delays on this story, but instead of interrupting it, they actually changed creative teams instead in order to get it done, hence Jim Shooter's absence from the last couple issues of the storyline. The Korvac Saga continues uninterrupted through it's conclusion in #177, so michi has 3 more issues of pure awesome to get through. At that point, though, they did have 3 fill-ins in a row, in #178-180, which also happen to be probably the worst issues of Avengers published up to that point in time. So it is a bit disappointing coming on the heels of this great storyline, plus it means that the epilogue to the Korvac Saga and the fallout from events in 176-177 aren't addressed until #181. But the Korvac Saga itself isn't interrupted. You can keep reading without fear! By that way, I don't think I'm alone in saying that #174 is my favorite issue of Avengers. Don't worry, though -- this story gets the epic climax it deserves in #177. And then some. That's right--- THAT'S right-- thanks for getting the ol' production continuity properly recalled, Scott! It all comes back to me. . . the huge climactic last chapter that ends with (being careful of spoilers here) a palpable sense of, "Wow, how will they deal with all of these consequences and loose ends next issue?"--- and then three months of not even acknowledging the saga ever happened. But happily it was followed by another era of terrific art and storytelling (Byrne is shortly on the way, yes?), if not exactly a happy time for the Avengers themselves. But. . . I do remember having interminable waits between some of those key Michael Saga issues. Our little town (Cassopolis, Michigan) seemed to have chronic shipping issues for the books-- sometimes 4 weeks between, followed by 6 weeks, followed by two weeks, etc. This kind of thing would have been just world-shattering to a doofy young teen. . . (Hulk #182 was a memorable example of this. 7 weeks after Hulk 181. Then 183 arrived the following week. My pal called me in a panic to tell me it was at the grocery store. And I panicked in turn, 'cause I wasn't sure I had the available allowance to cover it. . . ) HB
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Post by michidiers on Sept 13, 2010 11:59:42 GMT -5
US Avengers #175 „The End….and Beginning!“ Continued from Avengers#174 (Kovac Saga): Back on earth, the Avengers are vehemently debating about a tactic against the “Enemy” mentioned by the Collector (#174). This unknown enemy has the power to annihilate the whole earth and reality. The discussion escalates and lots of problems and hate outcropping among the Avengers and ended in a big quarrel. The problem for the avengers is that they don’t know the name, the look and the location of the enemy. However, the reader knows more: The Enemy is Kovac. And he lives as a handsome human being named “Michael” with his nice girl-friend Carina, the daughter of the Collector, in a pretty mansion in the outskirts of NY. And it appears, that Kovac enjoys that human live on earth. But he is worry about a imminent fight against either the Avengers or the Guardians of the Galaxys. This fight will come, soon… That storyline has got all, what a good story arc must have: tension, dramatic, deep meaning, soap and a love story. And it has got well drawings by P. Marcos and D. Wenzel. Have a look even at the the opening panel, if you got this issue. It is such exquisite and dramatic drawn. And the cover…wow!
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