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Post by fourcolorfigs on Nov 8, 2006 14:02:37 GMT -5
Just got it and read it. Excellent stuff! It mixes old-school Avengers with a bit of modern sensibility. Well done!
Buy this and help support that classic Avengers vibe!
Scott
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Post by The Night Phantom on Nov 8, 2006 19:18:31 GMT -5
It was an exciting page-turner. I kept wondering what will happen next, even though in many cases I already know what will happen. Although I liked the first EMH, I was cautious about this sequel; but I will be instructing my friendly neighborhood comics shop to pull the rest of this series for me.
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Post by dlw66 on Nov 8, 2006 20:51:50 GMT -5
I read it right after dinner tonight and I certainly was not disappointed. Very nostalgiac, but as FCF stated, updated -- and less so (so far) than the first series. I thought it was a little too modern. Great characterization -- these were people I have known and easily recognized! Great foreshadowing with Hank... not with dialogue necessarily, but very subtley with the mood of his speech. A well crafted bit of writing on Mr. Pym. The SHIELD scenes are somewhat reminiscent of what is going on now, but seemingly handled better. It's fun to see a young Henry Peter Gyrich. Art and coloring certainly enhanced a wonderful story, although I thought Thor at times seemed out-of-proportion. Flashback scenes were well done. Very much looking forward to the rest of the series. Hey, like Bendis and Joe Q. said: if you don't like the new stuff, just go away and read the old stuff! Apparently Joe Casey has...
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Post by imperiusrex on Nov 10, 2006 21:39:31 GMT -5
forget that even an android can cry, there was an old Avengers fan just brushing aside a tear seeing the team, and not just from nostalgia, but also watching them act like the Avengers. Black Panther I thought came across as powerful and smart and cunning without being duplicitious. And Hank Pym showed a backbone like I hadn't seen before. And to think I'll only get seven more issues of this... There goes another tear...
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Post by Doctor Bong on Nov 11, 2006 0:42:34 GMT -5
Here's an old-fashioned fan's castle in the sky: wouldn't it be just brilliant (as Harry Potter would say) if Marvel would get Casey to write a REGULAR Avengers series, after he's done with EMH2, a retro series where he would flesh out every old Avengers Vol. I issue, starting where he left at the end of EMH1...? I know AT LEAST 10 people who would buy it! (sigh...) It would even fit into Quesada's & Bendis' imperial dictum for all of us who don't like their vision(less) for the future to go & read the old stuff... (after a fashion...).
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Post by Doctor Bong on Nov 11, 2006 0:52:27 GMT -5
Heck (no, not Don...)! At this point, I'm sure many disafectioned old-school fans would even support a series about an alternate reality team of Avengers (a la Exiles) in a world were Avengers Disassembled, HoM & CW never took place... Heck! I would like to belong to such an alternate reality, myself...!!!
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Post by Bored Yesterday on Nov 14, 2006 11:44:01 GMT -5
I like the idea of a retro series, but looking back, the Avengers stayed pretty busy. I'm not sure there was much down time between adventures. Seemed like there were a lot of cliffhangers leading right into the next adventure.
Course, if we look at it like that, maybe only a few months have passed in Avengers history. I mean, if half the issues include only a day's worth of activity, then it might only be 1970 in Avengers time. If we leave Disassembled in 2005, then we've got 35 years of classic Avengers stories to tell. That will take me to retirement age, and I'll call it good.
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Post by Shiryu on Nov 15, 2006 3:32:40 GMT -5
I have read EMH 2 #1 and it seemed nice, both content wise and artwise, but I'll wait the other issues before giving a more thorough opinion (guess I'm cautious because I didn't like the first EMH as many people here seem to have done).
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Post by fourcolorfigs on Nov 29, 2006 13:52:52 GMT -5
Issue #2 was excellent--the series is building some nice momentum. AIM are ideal villains for this sort of story, and the Super-Adaptoid is going to be a tough nut to crack for this team.
Scott
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Post by BigDuke on Nov 29, 2006 16:07:45 GMT -5
I just finished reading EM one. I enjoyed the stories and the art. I think they went a little heavy on the retcon to make characters seem more like they are now (at least IM and Cap). But I do appreciated the between the lines kind of feel as well as giving a little texture to a time when that's not the way comics were written. I also have the first ish of the new run and like the SA being in it. We'll see how it goes.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Nov 29, 2006 18:19:32 GMT -5
Too busy with Civil War, but will DEFINITELY pick up this series in graphic novel form. Glad to hear the positive feedback, the first one was great. I remember loving Cap's characterization particularly (Reading every single name on the Vietnam Memorial was particularly striking.)
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Post by dlw66 on Nov 29, 2006 21:17:05 GMT -5
I bought #2 after school and just finished reading it. As fourcolorfigs said, the series is picking up nicely. Subplots abound -- we've discussed Byrne elsewhere, but let me say here that one of the things I always liked about his writing style was that he knew how to carry a story along and let one event morph into another. I'd say Joe Casey gets that idea. I also find it fitting that Tom Palmer is providing the inks -- who else but the man with more ink credits on Avengers than anyone else?? Too bad Big John Buscema isn't still around to handle the pencils.
As far as the nuts and bolts of the book goes, this is a Hank Pym we haven't seen in awhile; maybe never. The confrontations with Cap and Nick Fury were strong. The Panther is back to being regal, dignified, and confident. Hawkeye is his usual brash self, and the Widow's cameo was well done and a pleasant surprise.
Very much looking forward to the rest of the series!!
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Post by bobc on Dec 11, 2006 16:26:27 GMT -5
Due to all of your glowing reviews, I went out and bought these comics. I really liked them. You know what I really, really liked? The fact that when I saw the Vision in one of the issues, I felt EXCITED seeing him. Not in the Biblical sense of course--I mean he seemed mysterious and super-powerful, you know, like a character you wanted to know more about. Over the years the Vision has pretty much been relegated to the scrapyard of C level characters, but when he first came out he was the 3rd most powerful Avenger behind thor and Iron Man. What the hell happened? Now he's in a dumpster somewhere apparently.
have I mentioned I hate Bendis and what he's done to my favorite book?
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Post by Van Plexico on Dec 11, 2006 17:40:22 GMT -5
The story is as solid as volume 1's was. The art is far, far better, IMO. Much more similar to the Marvel art of that time, which is good... and much better to look at in general! (I just don't much care for-- was it Scott Kollins?--'s art, I'm afraid.)
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Post by dlw66 on Dec 11, 2006 17:49:02 GMT -5
Whoo! For a second, Van, I thought you meant the original story in Avengers Vol. I!!! I about had a coronary, then I got to the end where you mentioned Kollins. Yes, I agree that the art in EMH II is MUCH better.
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Post by bobc on Dec 11, 2006 19:58:20 GMT -5
Yeah I agree totally. The art is volume 1 was terrible. I don't think the art this time around is great or anything, but it's solid and tells the story well.
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Post by Yellowjacket on Dec 12, 2006 9:51:16 GMT -5
I haven´t looked into the EMH II books yet, but I just recently read EMH I and though I´m not a fan of Kolins art too, I´d vote for a small rehabilitation: at least there are some good graphical ideas in EMH I and the art is at least better (to a degree) than his really terrible work on "Search for She-Hulk".
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Post by dlw66 on Dec 12, 2006 10:07:27 GMT -5
Which was worse -- the art on that arc or the story in general???
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Post by fourcolorfigs on Dec 12, 2006 14:54:38 GMT -5
EMH-II #3 was excellent! Lots of action after two issues of build- up!
Really loved seeing Hawkeye do his thing!
I am in heaven with this series--an early Christmas present!
Scott
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Post by bobc on Dec 12, 2006 15:04:57 GMT -5
Dl--I find that if art in a comic is really, really bad--it's hard to take that story seriously. I can't help it! It's like Stern--I never paid him no mind until Buscema came on board--and now I'm a big fan.
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Post by dlw66 on Dec 13, 2006 21:09:28 GMT -5
Hey, I missed that this came out last week! So, I just bought it and read it today. Yes, indeed -- this story is not disappointing so far. I am growing to like this concept as longer arcs of an "untold tales" type of story. Similarly, I really liked when Classic X-Men came out in the mid- to late-80's, with Claremont and John Bolton doing "extra" stories at the end of each reprint, tying up loose ends, filling in gaps, etc. EMH strikes me in that vein, although as stated before, I am enjoying this volume much more than volume I.
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Post by Tana Nile on Dec 13, 2006 23:18:59 GMT -5
EMH-II #3 was excellent! Lots of action after two issues of build- up! I was thinking the same thing when I read it. "Wow, an Avengers book with real action sequences!!" And Hawkeye did a major bad-ass turn in this issue. For the first time since I've read Avengers, I actually thought Clint was hot... Or maybe that was because the latest issue of Wizard suggested Sawyer from Lost as Hawkeye in an Avengers movie...
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Post by BigDuke on Dec 14, 2006 10:00:01 GMT -5
[quote author=tananile board=classicavengers thread=1163012557 post=1166069939Or maybe that was because the latest issue of Wizard suggested Sawyer from Lost as Hawkeye in an Avengers movie...[/quote]
I think he would be great! I have read elsewhere(can't remember where) that he may be cast as Gambit for XMen 4.
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Post by Yellowjacket on Dec 20, 2006 9:48:47 GMT -5
Which was worse -- the art on that arc or the story in general??? That´s a tough race. The story ("Search for She-Hulk") wasn´t good, but for sure the art is even worse.
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Post by Black Knight on Dec 20, 2006 11:25:17 GMT -5
I really didn't find the art in EMH as bad as everyone else, however Search for She-Hulk was bad.
So far I have really enjoyed EMH II.
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Post by bobc on Dec 20, 2006 11:27:39 GMT -5
Our beloved Black Knight has returned. Praise Allah.
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Post by Shiryu on Jan 8, 2007 4:53:18 GMT -5
Has anyone picked up #4 ? It should have been out a couple of weeks ago, but still hasn't arrived over here.
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Post by dlw66 on Jan 8, 2007 8:37:02 GMT -5
Yes, I have it. All things Yellowjacket begin to surface....
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Post by dlw66 on Jan 17, 2007 22:38:30 GMT -5
#5 came out today, and it is Yellowjacket all the way. Without spoilering it for you , I can tell you that some of the stuff that seemed confusing or incomplete when Roy wrote the original tale is certainly explained much better this time around. Casey's script comes off as very believable without disturbing what Roy did. Hey, wait... would that be like respect for history? ?
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Post by dlw66 on Jan 19, 2007 11:37:33 GMT -5
For those of you in possession of a copy of #59, go back and re-read it. Man, Joe Casey really did a great job on EMH II #5 -- some of the scenes and dialogue are almost duplicated, but with enough of the "new twist" thrown in that it just truly enhances the story. This is what an "untold tales"-type series should be. So far, I have very little even remotely negative (OK, the art at times seems a bit stiff) to say about this mini-series!!
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