|
|
Post by Black Knight on Aug 22, 2006 12:22:30 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by The Night Phantom on Aug 22, 2006 18:15:47 GMT -5
There certainly are a lot of Avengers-related items slated for November. A little while ago I posted about EMH 2; I’ve also begun a thread about Avengers Next. Also solicited: the return of Hawkeye and the Scarlet Witch in New Avengers #26; What If? Avengers Disassembled, and (egad!) Onslaught Reborn, featuring the onslaught of Rob Liefeld’s pencils. Something Avengers-ish for just about everybody. |
|
|
|
Post by Black Knight on Aug 23, 2006 8:07:57 GMT -5
Exactly, Remember all you classic Avengers fans, buy EMH 2, show support for the classic team.
On a side note, if marvel had just put Joe Casey on Mighty Avengers instead of giving a second Avengers title to Bendis, I am pretty sure you would see a lot less complaining on the web.
|
|
|
|
Post by The Night Phantom on Aug 23, 2006 18:25:42 GMT -5
On a side note, if marvel had just put Joe Casey on Mighty Avengers instead of giving a second Avengers title to Bendis, I am pretty sure you would see a lot less complaining on the web. Well…maybe that’ll be series #3.  |
|
Ultron
Reservist Avenger
"Die, Humans!"
Posts: 196
|
Post by Ultron on Aug 23, 2006 23:09:55 GMT -5
I'm not going to get EHM 2. Why? Various reasons:
1) I didn't like the first one. Nothing wrong with it. But nothing right with it, either. Just not exciting in any way shape or form. Kinda read like a memory photo book than a real, moving, story.
2) I don't like it how Marvel dumps the Avengers for Ultimates, trashes the Avengers for New Avengers, and then throws me scraps from the top of the table. No thanks.
3) At this point i wouldn't like to put any money into Marvel. I get the feeling this book is only made to scrap the money leftovers from classic fans. This way they milk the "New" crowd, while milking, or keeping as costumers, the "old", let's call them Real, fans in the fold. It's mischevious behaviour.
In general i've learnt now to understand the the current Regime in Marvel doesn't give a flying flip about people like me. It's all street level drivel for the Direct Market crowd, and the people who like Stan, Kirby and Englehart aren't it. I thus believe they're not really giving me the product i want, but cheap knock off to get some more bucks in the fold.
If Marvel gave a rats ass about Avengers fans it'd have a Mighty Avengers books with anyone but BENDIS!. In fact, if they gave a rats ass about Avengers fans to begin with, they'd never embark on the insidius inanity that Avengers:Disassembled and New Avengers turned out to be.
If toilet paper outsold BENDIS!, they'd publish toilet paper. And this isn't the type of company i want to put my money in. Let someone else buy Joe Q's bathroom plasma screens.
|
|
|
|
Post by redstatecap on Aug 24, 2006 0:05:07 GMT -5
You know what's f*cking scary?
The fact that I would sooner buy an Avengers title written and pencilled by Rob Liefield than Brian Bendis.
THAT'S F*CKING SCARY!
RSC
|
|
|
|
Post by von Bek on Aug 24, 2006 8:46:53 GMT -5
I'm not going to get EHM 2. Why? Various reasons: 2) I don't like it how Marvel dumps the Avengers for Ultimates, trashes the Avengers for New Avengers, and then throws me scraps from the top of the table. No thanks. I agree with you that EMH2 feels like Marvel trying to milk readers that don´t like BENDIS! crap, while not really changing anything, since the stories are set in the past and are not much more than nostalgia trips. That era (late 60´s/early 70´s) and that team (and members) are among my all time favoutites, but I don´t think it needs to be 'modernized' or 'revisited', most titles like that fail to capture the magic from the original stories and like you put it, are just 'scraps from the top of the table' (a variation of the 'go reread the old stories' speech from Joe Q and BENDIS!). But I disagree with you about Ultimates. I could easily see Ultimates and a classic Avengers book co-existing, but I can´t imagine classic Avengers and BENDIS! NA co-existing, even if Marvel calls the second book Mighty Avengers... |
|
|
|
Post by Doctor Doom on Aug 24, 2006 10:46:49 GMT -5
I am going to buy EMH. Because it's Avengers. because I need Avengers. Because I haven't read some new stories of the REAL Avengers in some time. So... I'm not happy about New Avengers but there is absoloutely no way my annoyance at Marvel over it will cause me to not buy a real Avengers book when they throw one my way. I also don't think it's true that Marvel don't care at all about long-time fans. True they care much less (  ) but they do release books like this just for us. |
|
|
|
Post by Black Knight on Aug 24, 2006 12:30:02 GMT -5
All you people who say you won't buy EMH2, because you dislike Marvel, you realize that if EMH2 does not sell well, marvel will using it. Saying that nobody wants the classic avengers anymore, and that the Nu Avengers are what is hot and cool.
Now if you really disliked EMH 1 then I understand, but all you are doing is shooting yourself in the foot if you don't buy the comic because you hate marvel.
|
|
|
|
Post by The Night Phantom on Aug 24, 2006 15:24:22 GMT -5
If toilet paper outsold BENDIS! I’m pretty sure it does. |
|
|
|
Post by dlw66 on Aug 24, 2006 19:19:34 GMT -5
I will probably give the book a look-see at the store, but I don't know if I'll buy it. While the story was OK in EMH I (but as I've said, I didn't necessarily care for the "updating"), I didn't care for the art. Art is a big motivator for me on a book.
|
|
Ultron
Reservist Avenger
"Die, Humans!"
Posts: 196
|
Post by Ultron on Aug 24, 2006 21:28:04 GMT -5
If toilet paper outsold BENDIS! I’m pretty sure it does. Sweet lord, man, you're not suppose to read it! You've been doing it all wrong!  |
|
Ultron
Reservist Avenger
"Die, Humans!"
Posts: 196
|
Post by Ultron on Aug 24, 2006 21:31:58 GMT -5
All you people who say you won't buy EMH2, because you dislike Marvel, you realize that if EMH2 does not sell well, marvel will using it. Saying that nobody wants the classic avengers anymore, and that the Nu Avengers are what is hot and cool. Now if you really disliked EMH 1 then I understand, but all you are doing is shooting yourself in the foot if you don't buy the comic because you hate marvel. I consider that borderline blackmail, and again, a great expedient to milk disapointed users, while privileging new ones, financially. "If you just were a good enough mistress, perhaps i'd leave my wife! One day...! Really!" Don't make me go to Marvel offices and sing "R. E. S. P. E. C. T.", please  |
|
Ultron
Reservist Avenger
"Die, Humans!"
Posts: 196
|
Post by Ultron on Aug 24, 2006 21:34:09 GMT -5
But I disagree with you about Ultimates. I could easily see Ultimates and a classic Avengers book co-existing, but I can´t imagine classic Avengers and BENDIS! NA co-existing, even if Marvel calls the second book Mighty Avengers... I could see it too. I agree with that. In fact, i never stated otherwise, if you look carefully. However... Kurt Busiek didn't, and left. |
|
Ultron
Reservist Avenger
"Die, Humans!"
Posts: 196
|
Post by Ultron on Aug 24, 2006 21:36:07 GMT -5
If toilet paper outsold BENDIS! I’m pretty sure it does. Also, you can't sell 22 pages of Toilet Paper at 3$. BENDIS!, you can ;D |
|
|
|
Post by Black Knight on Aug 25, 2006 9:19:24 GMT -5
All you people who say you won't buy EMH2, because you dislike Marvel, you realize that if EMH2 does not sell well, marvel will using it. Saying that nobody wants the classic avengers anymore, and that the Nu Avengers are what is hot and cool. Now if you really disliked EMH 1 then I understand, but all you are doing is shooting yourself in the foot if you don't buy the comic because you hate marvel. I consider that borderline blackmail, and again, a great expedient to milk disapointed users, while privileging new ones, financially. "If you just were a good enough mistress, perhaps i'd leave my wife! One day...! Really!" Don't make me go to Marvel offices and sing "R. E. S. P. E. C. T.", please If you don't like the comic, then don't buy it. I think that is fine. It is people who are not buying something they would like because they are trying to punish marvel, when in the end they are just punishing themselves. You said yo udon't like the idea of EMH2 and you didn't like EMH1, it makes sense that you would not buy it. |
|
|
|
Post by von Bek on Aug 25, 2006 12:12:28 GMT -5
But I disagree with you about Ultimates. I could easily see Ultimates and a classic Avengers book co-existing, but I can´t imagine classic Avengers and BENDIS! NA co-existing, even if Marvel calls the second book Mighty Avengers... I could see it too. I agree with that. In fact, i never stated otherwise, if you look carefully. However... Kurt Busiek didn't, and left. You said Marvel dumped Avengers for the Ultimates and in the other thread you quoted Busiek, so I tought in your opinion Marvel was trying to replace one book with the other. If that was not the case, my bad then. And Busiek leaving Marvel was not that bad, now at DC he´s writing one of my current favourites, Aquaman Sword of Atlantis. |
|
|
|
Post by von Bek on Aug 25, 2006 12:25:23 GMT -5
It is people who are not buying something they would like because they are trying to punish marvel, when in the end they are just punishing themselves. Agreed, but buying it just to show Marvel that a classic formation of Avengers can be sucessful don´t make sense either, since Marvel choose BENDIS! to be the Mighty Avengers writer, instead of Casey or someone else, anyone except BENDIS!. I would like to read an Avengers book set in the present with something innovative being added to the team, instead of another 'behind-the-scenes' series about the hidden stories of that period (1968). I´m not saying I will not buy it anyway, but I´m not too thrilled either. |
|
|
|
Post by Black Knight on Aug 25, 2006 12:52:02 GMT -5
It is people who are not buying something they would like because they are trying to punish marvel, when in the end they are just punishing themselves. Agreed, but buying it just to show Marvel that a classic formation of Avengers can be sucessful don´t make sense either, since Marvel choose BENDIS! to be the Mighty Avengers writer, instead of Casey or someone else, anyone except BENDIS!. I would like to read an Avengers book set in the present with something innovative being added to the team, instead of another 'behind-the-scenes' series about the hidden stories of that period (1968). I´m not saying I will not buy it anyway, but I´m not too thrilled either. I agree, I would much prefer to have modern adventures of the Avengers, instead of Bendisvengers. But I take it where I can get it. From what I understand EMH2 is actually going to be a contained adventure, instead of just behind the senses like the first one. It is more like the X-Men:First class limited, or the X-Men early years thing they did. |
|
|
|
Post by von Bek on Aug 25, 2006 13:01:57 GMT -5
I liked John Byrne´s X-men The Hidden Years, but the problem with series like that is that there´s not much room to do anything, or else the writer would end up just doing another retcon series and damaging the history of the Avengers even more.
|
|
|
|
Post by Black Knight on Aug 28, 2006 8:16:52 GMT -5
I liked John Byrne´s X-men The Hidden Years, but the problem with series like that is that there´s not much room to do anything, or else the writer would end up just doing another retcon series and damaging the history of the Avengers even more. Agreed, that is why it is only a limited series. I think one adventure here or there, is ok. |
|
|
|
Post by dlw66 on Aug 28, 2006 8:50:57 GMT -5
I liked Byrne's Hidden Years as well, although as I've previously stated I didn't care for some of the retcon-first meetings with New X-Men characters.
Sometimes I really long for the "regular" Beast.
|
|
Ultron
Reservist Avenger
"Die, Humans!"
Posts: 196
|
Post by Ultron on Aug 28, 2006 19:55:40 GMT -5
I could see it too. I agree with that. In fact, i never stated otherwise, if you look carefully. However... Kurt Busiek didn't, and left. You said Marvel dumped Avengers for the Ultimates and in the other thread you quoted Busiek, so I tought in your opinion Marvel was trying to replace one book with the other. If that was not the case, my bad then. Yes, i didn't meant hey were trying to substitute them. I guess it's the problem when we speak the same language, but have to speak with each other in somebody else's Em Português: Vingadores > Supremos > Novos Vingadores  Funnily enough, even that wouldn't be perfect, i have no idea what they call the Ultimates in Brazil  |
|
|
|
Post by von Bek on Aug 29, 2006 12:47:51 GMT -5
I guess it's the problem when we speak the same language, but have to speak with each other in somebody else's Em Português: Vingadores > Supremos > Novos Vingadores Funnily enough, even that wouldn't be perfect, i have no idea what they call the Ultimates in Brazil They´re called Os Supremos too. If I´m not mistaken Devir (a brazilian company) publishes them in Portugal, so they kept the same name Panini calls the Ultimates here. You guys own us the joys of reading comics, since the days of Editora Abril with Capitão América and Heróis da TV.  My take would be: Vingadores / Supremos Novos Vingadores - incompatível. |
|
rui
Force Works-er
Posts: 15
|
Post by rui on Aug 29, 2006 16:24:59 GMT -5
They' re no longer published in Portugal. As a matter of fact, there aren't any Marvel (or Dc) comics being published anymore.
|
|
|
|
Post by The Night Phantom on Aug 29, 2006 16:50:10 GMT -5
They' re no longer published in Portugal. As a matter of fact, there aren't any Marvel (or Dc) comics being published anymore. Did this just change in the past year? Last September I bought a Quarteto Fantástico album while in Portugal. Just now I went to Devir Portugal’s Web site; there’s still stuff about Marvel and DC properties there, but I haven’t found anything confirming that these are current publications—could be there’s still old stuff on the site. |
|
rui
Force Works-er
Posts: 15
|
Post by rui on Aug 29, 2006 17:53:09 GMT -5
Yeah. Those are old issues. The haven't published anything for about 8 months. Thank God for emule...
|
|
|
|
Post by The Night Phantom on Aug 29, 2006 18:12:43 GMT -5
Yeah. Those are old issues. The haven't published anything for about 8 months. That makes me sad, though I’m not sure why. I generally prefer to read works in the original language anyway—and, since I live in the United States, that’s not a problem when it comes to Marvel. Picking up something like Quarteto Fantástico or O Homem Aranha on a trip is fun but not a sine qua non. I guess I’m thinking about the pleasant surprise I had when I saw American comics abroad. Oh, well—thanks for the information. |
|
|
|
Post by imperiusrex on Aug 29, 2006 20:45:04 GMT -5
Also, you can't sell 22 pages of Toilet Paper at 3$. BENDIS!, you can ;D Perhaps, but you sell a lot more TP. And I think toilet paper that has been crapped on is worth more than Avengers stories when Bendis has crapped on them... I will be buying EMH II and the nostalgia factor is only part of it. Joe Casey is a good storyteller and that's another good part. Just putting a bunch of old school 'vengers wouldn't be enough to me. What Joe is doing with this story is also filling in the blanks and giving some more meat to something I thought I already knew and enhancing the characters with this added info. I for one am eagerly looking forward to what Joe has to add to the Hank/Jan wedding and mr. Pym's condition, a subject that I think was severely glossed over in Roy Thomas' run. Even as a kid the YJ story didn't make much sense to me... I think of Lost and the way they make you look at a character differently when they flesh someone out with a bit of backstory. That's what I think EMH II is going to do and I am looking forward to it. |
|
|
|
Post by dlw66 on Aug 30, 2006 12:19:05 GMT -5
The Avengers in the 50's-the wedding issue of #60 had some strange things going on -- Jarvis as the Crimson Cowl, Hank flipping out, the Vision introduced... Important period of Avengers history, but some rapid-fire weirdness if you ask me.
|
|
) but they do release books like this just for us.
