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Post by pym on Aug 24, 2012 20:12:22 GMT -5
I wanted to make this a thread concening issue #1 and beyond....but it seemed more appropriate to ask ....'At What Point Did You Discover The Avengers?'
So, for you...the reader....where was the beginning?
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Post by spiderwasp on Aug 25, 2012 0:22:36 GMT -5
I'm not sure what the first I read was so I'll go with the first I remember. It was the story around 120-121 when Zodiac was trying to kill all the Geminis. Perhaps it was because I'm a Gemini that this really struck a chord with me. As a kid, those kinds of connections seem more uncanny than they do as an adult. I'm pretty sure the fact that I lived in a neighborhood called Forest Hills and had an Aunt May had already added to my identifying with Spider-man. I think seeing the Avengers work hard to save the Geminis had a similar effect. Or perhaps I'm over-analyzing - wouldn't be the first time- lol
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Post by Crimson Cowl on Aug 25, 2012 3:38:15 GMT -5
The earliest Avengers stories that I can remember reading were in Marvel UK reprints (in black and white). I remember the story with 'The Stinger' and they then continued through David Micheline's run including the the Yesterday Quest and on to 202. At around the same time they were running the much older (although I was too young to realise it at the time) 'The Plan and the Power' and the ensuing Red Guardian story. I remember reading the original Arkon story when Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch returned at around this time too.
Those reprints were running the X Men Proteus story followed by the Dark Phoenix saga as well. They also featured Captain Britain and this was the period when he got his new costume and was accompanied by Jackdaw. I really like Dave Thorpe's brief stint as writer on Captain Britain which set up and led into Alan Moore's run.
This must've been 1979, and my comic buying was pretty haphazard up to this point, largely driven by what I thought was a good cover. I really got into those stories though and that played a big factor in me really becoming an avid reader and collector. Its possible that I may've had the odd issue of Avengers before then, but not that I recall. I still have the odd issue of Marvel 2 in 1, Marvel Team Up, Godzilla, Shogun Warriors (!), and The Champions from before then (tragically I sold all my early 2000 ADs in my teens) so I think the Marvel UK stuff probably was where I got started with the Avengers.
On the nostalgia front, it's hard to capture how exciting it was as a young boy going on to buy the original US versions and seeing these much loved stories in colour.
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Post by humanbelly on Aug 25, 2012 14:23:32 GMT -5
Always worth refreshing one's memory along these lines, eh? I've always assumed my first Avengers issue was #57. . . but upon probing more deeply, I realize that it was a borrowed run of issues 58-63, 65, & 66- and that 57 fell into my hands a few weeks later (with that terrific OZYMANDIUS epilogue). I've waxed on at length a number of times 'round here about what an unparalleled run that was in so many ways, an I'll continue to stick with that appraisal. The fact that I could come in as a dead-uninitiated reader, and immediately be drawn into a long-running storyline with so many new characters, old characters, history, and major roster changes going on. . . and never feel lost (but rather, voraciously wanting more), is more than enough testament to its strength and status.
What was also cool, though, was that in that same borrowing-frenzy were several issues of Marvel Collectors' Item Classics and what-not that I read a bit later, and they included reprints of several very early issues (The Lava Men story comes to mind, in fact), so I then got to see where the roots of the team lay after reading their more current exploits. It's funny-- there were, what, four or five years separating the two eras? But the artistic and stylistic gulf was vast. To a kid under 10 years old, of course, the team's origins seemed like impossibly remote, quaint, ancient history.
Although I acquired a few random issues over the next several years, it wasn't until issue #128 (a terrific Floating Heads cover-- sucked me right in) that I became regular monthly buyer.
HB
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Post by tomspasic on Aug 25, 2012 14:27:28 GMT -5
The first Avengers comic I can definitely remember buying was #69 in 1969 or thereabouts. We had just moved house and I was not settling in well (I was about 8 and had not moved before), so to ease the transition I was taken to the newsagents at the top of the road because they had comics, (which I was known to like). There in the spinner rack was Avengers #69 with some very familiar and also some intriguingly unfamiliar heroes. I'd read reprints before in the UK comics "Fantastic" "Terrific" and "Wham!", and it's possible I had possessed earlier issues of the US Avengers comic proper, but they have not survived in memory or physical form if I did. Like Crimson Cowl, the excitement for me of finding the source material for the black and white heavily edited reprints I loved was immense. Over the years I filled in many earlier issues, so again it's hard to be absolutely certain. I've always loved Avengers #28 (Among Us walks a Goliath) from 1966, and it's possible that may have been my first. My older brother introduced me to comics and to Mad magazine, so maybe #28 was actually his, and did not survive childhood or the Big House Move.
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Post by pym on Aug 25, 2012 14:28:34 GMT -5
For me...in Silver Age Detroit...it was a combo of #56-#58...
As the youngest of 5 sons..and a sister...I was gifted with the hand me down comics of that era.
In elementary school we were being taught about history...and courage.
It was very easy to connect them...History/Courage/The Avengers
I just kind of stuck with me.
Featuring possibly THE best artwork in comics...(aside from the Wally Wood /EC era)... John and Tom gave us sheer perfection.
...and Roy gave us a page that was "ripped from the day's screaming headlines"
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Post by sharkar on Aug 25, 2012 14:31:34 GMT -5
Ah, nice old school topic, pym-- thanks! And here is my certifiably old school answer: my first Avengers comic was #45 (it was also my first Marvel comic, along with FF #68). I'd been reading DC for about a year. At some point I started watching the daily Marvel Superheroes cartoons and in the summer of 1967 I caught a Captain America episode "When the Commissar Commands", which featured the Kooky Quartet. I was intrigued by Wanda, Hawkeye and the others so when I saw an Avengers #45 at the store, I begged my mom to buy it for me (along with FF #68). I was surprised that there were so many "extra" characters in the Avengers comic--I knew Thor and Iron Man from the daily cartoons, but #45 was my first introduction to Hank, Jan, and Hercules.
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Post by sharkar on Aug 25, 2012 14:46:14 GMT -5
For me...in Silver Age Detroit...it was a combo of #56-#58... As the youngest of 5 sons..and a sister...I was gifted with the hand me down comics of that era. In elementary school we were being taught about history...and courage. It was very easy to connect them...History/Courage/The Avengers I just kind of stuck with me. Featuring possibly THE best artwork in comics...(aside from the Wally Wood /EC era)... John and Tom gave us sheer perfection. ... I love Buscema-Palmer too (who doesn't?) but George Klein will always be my personal favorite Avengers inker for Big John. (btw Klein did the issues you mention, #56-8. Classic art and storytelling). When the Buscema-Palmer team debuted in Avengers #74, I admit I was taken aback at first--I found Palmer's inks too dark for my taste. Luckily my taste has since matured!
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Post by pym on Aug 25, 2012 14:58:16 GMT -5
I always loved the 'Floating Heads' covers! There were not that many...but all were great.
My favorite was #60......
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Post by pym on Aug 25, 2012 15:00:19 GMT -5
For me...in Silver Age Detroit...it was a combo of #56-#58... As the youngest of 5 sons..and a sister...I was gifted with the hand me down comics of that era. In elementary school we were being taught about history...and courage. It was very easy to connect them...History/Courage/The Avengers I just kind of stuck with me. Featuring possibly THE best artwork in comics...(aside from the Wally Wood /EC era)... John and Tom gave us sheer perfection. ... I love Buscema-Palmer too (who doesn't?) but George Klein will always be my personal favorite Avengers inker for Big John. (btw Klein did the issues you mention, #56-8. Classic art and storytelling). When the Buscema-Palmer team debuted in Avengers #74, I admit I was taken aback at first--I found Palmer's inks too dark for my taste. Luckily my taste has since matured! I stand corrected...thank you kind sir. My memory is not what is should be.
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Post by pym on Aug 25, 2012 15:02:48 GMT -5
If I recall...was there not an issue or two...where John inked his own pencils?....perhaps it was a Hercules story?
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Post by sharkar on Aug 25, 2012 15:06:18 GMT -5
Yes, #49 and #50. Again I have to confess I did not like it (back then), I found it too craggy. Now I can appreciate it!
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Post by sharkar on Aug 25, 2012 15:14:02 GMT -5
What was also cool, though, was that in that same borrowing-frenzy were several issues of Marvel Collectors' Item Classics and what-not that I read a bit later, and they included reprints of several very early issues (The Lava Men story comes to mind, in fact), so I then got to see where the roots of the team lay after reading their more current exploits. It's funny-- there were, what, four or five years separating the two eras? But the artistic and stylistic gulf was vast. To a kid under 10 years old, of course, the team's origins seemed like impossibly remote, quaint, ancient history. I know! A few months after I bought FF #68, I saw Marvel Collectors' Item Classics at the store. I thought I had died and gone to heaven, as I was now able to follow both the current-day FF as well their earlier exploits. It was great--and fascinating to compare the art: the older Kirby-Ayers and Kirby-Stone art looked so old-fashioned compared to the sleek, polished Kirby-Sinnott work. A bit later I also started to pick up some back issues (there was a collectibles store right on my block. Back issues were 35 cents, $1.50 for Annuals/Giants). My oldest Avengers comic back then was #14, the oldest FF I had was #34.
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Post by sharkar on Aug 25, 2012 15:16:37 GMT -5
Here's the Cap episode I mentioned above that got me interested in the Avengers. It is just god-awful, but seeing some of the old art is fun.
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Post by sharkar on Aug 25, 2012 15:36:37 GMT -5
[I stand corrected...thank you kind sir. My memory is not what is should be. Hi Pym, It's just a minor clarification. Klein is one of my favorite inkers (I also loved his work with Swan at DC) and I like to see him get his props. And many thanks again for starting this thread! It's a lot of fun.
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Post by humanbelly on Aug 25, 2012 18:32:43 GMT -5
I always loved the 'Floating Heads' covers! There were not that many...but all were great. My favorite was #60...... Hank & Jan's wedding, yep. Another great one. I can't remember why, but awhile back when we were talking about floating head Avengers covers, I counted 'em up via a cover gallery. I can't recall the exact number (blast it-- all that work wasted!)-- but I do think there were at least 40 or so. They did add up over the years-- although they pretty much disappeared by the time those dreadful "movie poster" style covers became the norm for several years. . . HB
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Post by humanbelly on Aug 25, 2012 19:18:03 GMT -5
The first Avengers comic I can definitely remember buying was #69 in 1969 or thereabouts. We had just moved house and I was not settling in well (I was about 8 and had not moved before), so to ease the transition I was taken to the newsagents at the top of the road because they had comics, (which I was known to like). There in the spinner rack was Avengers #69 with some very familiar and also some intriguingly unfamiliar heroes. I'd read reprints before in the UK comics "Fantastic" "Terrific" and "Wham!", and it's possible I had possessed earlier issues of the US Avengers comic proper, but they have not survived in memory or physical form if I did. Like Crimson Cowl, the excitement for me of finding the source material for the black and white heavily edited reprints I loved was immense. Over the years I filled in many earlier issues, so again it's hard to be absolutely certain. I've always loved Avengers #28 (Among Us walks a Goliath) from 1966, and it's possible that may have been my first. My older brother introduced me to comics and to Mad magazine, so maybe #28 was actually his, and did not survive childhood or the Big House Move. Tomsp, you & CC provide a neat perspective on what the Silver/Bronze ages were like over there in Britain. My buddy Bryan and I kind of idly wondered back then what you guys were getting-- were they the same books as ours? We were aware that you guys had some kind of accelerated reprint process going on-- but that it was in black & white. . . and possibly mixed in with British comics as well? Heck, I'm not even sure we realized spinner racks were more than a uniquely American device. . . ! HB
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Post by woodside on Aug 25, 2012 22:41:44 GMT -5
Wow, you guys are making me feel like a kid! Which isn't a bad thing as I turned 30 last weekend. ;D My first issue of Avengers (and I can't exactly confirm this) was issue # 400 from 1996. I bought it because of its link with the up-coming Onslaught crossover. I wasn't blown away by the story or the art, but I did enjoy it when the time traveler turned out to be Loki. And it was enough to pique my interest in the Avengers --- and if it hadn't, I wouldn't be here. A year-ish later, when Avengers # 1, Volume 3, came out, I remember thinking just how much different the Avengers were post-Heroes Reborn than they were pre-Onslaught. For the better, of course. Side-Note: I may have gotten the issues that tied with the X-Men/Avengers crossover, Bloodties, before this issue, but for some reason, I want to say I didn't get those until the next year or so. So I'm going with Avengers # 400.
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Post by Crimson Cowl on Aug 26, 2012 3:26:28 GMT -5
Tomsp, you & CC provide a neat perspective on what the Silver/Bronze ages were like over there in Britain. My buddy Bryan and I kind of idly wondered back then what you guys were getting-- were they the same books as ours? We were aware that you guys had some kind of accelerated reprint process going on-- but that it was in black & white. . . and possibly mixed in with British comics as well? Heck, I'm not even sure we realized spinner racks were more than a uniquely American device. . . ! HB Certainly when I was very young in the late 70s I could get US (or sometimes Canadian) editions at my local newsagents, but exactly what and when was fairly inconsistent. Marvel UK stuff was black and white, mostly reprints but with some original stuff like Captain Britain and the Black Knight. They were shaped like magazines rather than comics. One of the big attractions of this stuff was that you'd get multiple stories rather than just one, and the weekly publication schedule was good for the impatience of youth. I still have strong recollections of the Claremont/Byrne Iron Fist stuff in black and white. This was long before the era of Death's Head. British comics like 2000AD and Starlord were also readily available. These were really exciting too, filled with classic strips like Judge Dredd, ABC Warriors, Strontium Dog, and Robo Hunter. In later years really remarkable things like Halo Jones, Zenith, Nemesis the Warlock and Slaine would be added to these. Generally they had a far more anarchic and challenging tone than US comics of the time (obviously many of the authors have gone on to fame and fortune in American comics). Zarjaz!Other British comics in the 70s were often war comics, pocket book sized, and I quickly lost interest in them. As I got more serious about comics I discovered a few good places in London where I could feed my addiction. Comics Showcase in Neal Street, Covent Garden was the only specialist comics shop I knew of but there was a general pop culture and rarities shop in Soho that was also useful. There was also Forbidden Planet (in those days it was in New Oxford Street). Distribution to news stands of US editions was also becoming much more reliable at this time which made life easier, so you could actually follow a storyline in colour! I discovered specialists who sold at the markets. One guy in particular had a stall at both Portobello Road and in Kensington Market. I bought my first 60s comic from him (Avengers 15!). As the specialist market exploded during the eighties he did a deal with Richard Branson and ended up with really well stocked shops inside both of the Virgin Megastores at either end of Oxford Street (that's the busiest shopping street in London). By the mid eighties there were quite a few specialist shops. Here's some links that might be interesting on the history of this stuff: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_UK en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mighty_World_Of_Marvelen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Britainen.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_AD_%28comics%29www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/jonathan-ross-the-king-of-comics-7660180.htmlJonathan Ross is a well known TV personality here who can frequently be found perusing the comics in Forbidden Planet. He made a great little documentary about Steve Ditko a few years back.
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Post by tomspasic on Aug 26, 2012 5:20:10 GMT -5
To add to CC's info on the British experience a little; In 1967 Fantastic was launched, a British comic published by Odhams. Along with Terrific and Wham they featured traditional british style comedic and adventure strips alongside american superhero reprints, largely marvel ones. Much larger than american comics in it's dimensions, about tabloid newspaper sized, and without colour, these anthology type comics were the norm in Britain. The "Power Comics" imprint only lasted a few years, but I have fond memories of them as an early source of marvel material: 1.bp.blogspot.com/_448y6kVhntg/Rc9HtF4r9dI/AAAAAAAAAiQ/WFfPM7ez24k/s1600-h/fantastic_covers.jpgAt that time and later, american comics were used as ballast in ships, so would often be water-marked or damaged if and when they appeared in our newsagents. Distribution was spotty and inconsistent, titles would appear by sheer luck, so following a particular title was difficult. In every community were "newsagents", usually small "mom'n'pop" type shops selling newspapers, tobacco products, sweets and a few other bits and pieces. In these were often spinner racks for the american comics, usually pushed off somewhere a low-profit item might be expected to end up. Up into the seventies the distribution remained inconsistent, but seemed to get more regular, or maybe my weekly sweep of every newsagent in a 5 mile area just yielded better results. At some point in the seventies we also began to see versions of the american comics with british prices printed on instead of the exotic 12c or 25c they previously had. By the end of the seventies I had found Oxford's first comics dealer, who operated out of his house. He would, within a year or three, open a specialty shop. At one glorious point in the eighties boom there were at least three dedicated comics shops (though one of those was in the virgin megastore CC mentions above). For a bit more info on Power Comics, heres a nice site with some cover pics: lewstringer.blogspot.co.uk/2007/02/40-year-flashback-fantastic-is-launched.html
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Post by Crimson Cowl on Aug 26, 2012 6:05:00 GMT -5
It's fascinating to someone like me seeing those old pre-Marvel UK titles that featured reprints. Thanks.
I suspect that the inclusion of British prices and improved distribution had a lot to do with Jim Shooter. He seems to have been close to Chris Claremont so he may have played a role in raising awareness about the market outside North America and particularly in Britain.
I was curious what impact, if any, 2000AD had on someone like you who's apparently a little more than a decade older than me. Obviously it was tremendously important to people of my age group and thereafter, but your perspective must've been very different.
Seeing Johnny Future there in that link you provided immediately reminded me of his fleeting appearance in the amazing Book 3 of Zenith.
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Post by tomspasic on Aug 26, 2012 6:56:08 GMT -5
I am pretty sure the printed uk priced comics predate Shooter at Marvel, and Claremont too, but it would not surprise me to hear that both or either were involved in better distribution to the UK. Though again it seems to me it was happening a bit before them anyway. 2000AD was much enjoyed by me for the first few years, then my interest began to wane after a decade or so. The first few issues I missed completely, sort of assuming it was yet another brit comic of a type I never much enjoyed to the extent of those produced by our colonial cousins. Bear in mind it first appeared in 1977, I was 17 or so then, a dedicated (mainly marvel) superhero-comic-head, but also fond of sci-fi and fantasy. As such it did seem to be aimed pretty much squarely at people of my ilk, and it's energy, irreverence, sense of humour and slightly "punk" sensibilities all appealed. That it featured Alan Moore also helped it's cause greatly, (even though he wasn't THE Alan Moore back then). I would not say 2000ad was my favourite, but I'd buy it every week and, outside of the UK marvel reprints, it was the sole and only UK comic I ever bought, read, or had much interest in till Crisis, Deadline or others came along. Upon moving house during one of the many times inherent in being a renter rather than an owner, all my Marvel UK and 2000AD stuff got ditched, which I regret till I remember how much I hate lugging 40-50 longboxes up and down stairs, and think about adding in a metric ton of Mighty World of Marvel and 2000AD to that burden. 2000ad was part of a widening of my tastes after almost ten years of more or less exclusive Marvel Fan-boy-ism. I would not term it a revelation, but it was a welcome part of a burgeoning interest in stuff outside of the good old MU. I was discovering Heavy Metal, Warren's "Will Eisner's the Spirit" reprints and underground and "ground-level" comics like "Star Reach" all at around the same time, ans 2000AD was part of that richer tapestry.
Sorry if all this is straying a bit wide of the thread's remit, by the way. To go back more closely on-topic, the Marvel Collecter's Item Classics and Marvel Superheroes reprints also added to my confusion about exactly when I first read Avengers. Stuff like the late 60's Avengers Annuals reprinting early issues doesn't help much, I definitely owned Annual #3 reprinting Avengers #4 and to my childish sensibilities, having these reprints equated to having the originals. But when exactly I got Annual #3 I cannot recall. I think it was at the time of it's publishing @sept 1969, but it could easily be a few years later, or even more.
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Post by kidcage on Aug 26, 2012 12:31:21 GMT -5
Wow... going to be the young'un here then.
First Avengers comic I remember reading was a borrowed copy of Avengers West Coast #50 where they brought back the original Human Torch. One of my best friends had it (and a poster of the cover) on his wall.
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Post by starfoxxx on Aug 26, 2012 12:50:57 GMT -5
#240 was my first. Guest-Starring Tigra, Dr Strange, Jessica Drew, i think the Shroud might have shown up. I loved how characters were just dropping into the stories, now I had to figure out how this wacky Marvel Universe made sense, with 20+ years off history already....
And I was really hooked by #250, with Cap and Hercules returning, the Vision going crazy, Secret Wars, the Eternals, and also Avengers guest-spots in X-men Annual #7 (probably my first super-hero comic) and the amazing Kulan Gath X-over in Uncanny X-men #190-191 (check this out if you haven't yet).
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Post by humanbelly on Aug 26, 2012 16:38:32 GMT -5
#240 was my first. Guest-Starring Tigra, Dr Strange, Jessica Drew, i think the Shroud might have shown up. I loved how characters were just dropping into the stories, now I had to figure out how this wacky Marvel Universe made sense, with 20+ years off history already.... And I was really hooked by #250, with Cap and Hercules returning, the Vision going crazy, Secret Wars, the Eternals, and also Avengers guest-spots in X-men Annual #7 (probably my first super-hero comic) and the amazing Kulan Gath X-over in Uncanny X-men #190-191 (check this out if you haven't yet). This is great, SF. I feel like we may have talked about this once before at some point, but you yourself stand as solid of evidence of the "patterning" phenomenon we bring up now and then. How the Avengers team that first draws you in becomes "your" Avengers team-- sort of the "real" Avengers team in your mind. And all the previous teams carry a feeling of simply being a prologue to your own team. You also stand as an honest and forthright reminder that pretty much EVERY iteration of the team has a devoted following. You were drawn in during the heart of the Al Milgrom era, which really has taken a lot of heat 'round these parts at times (from me as well), and boy, it tends to just get written off-- much like the Gatherers era. But-- Joe Sinnott may have done some of his best (and under-rated) work during this period to keep it artistically viable, and there were indeed a lot of big plots in play that kept folks comin' back. And it worked on you, right? I mean, heck-- you're Starfox! This just makes me feel good. Not even sure why, exactly. Wow-- do you suppose there's someone out there who was brought in by "The Crossing Line"? Or Timeslide?? Or who's been maybe pining away for the return of Gilgamesh? I mean, I'll still stand up for the Gatherers Era and the team jackets-- I'm strong enough to take the abuse. . . HB
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Post by humanbelly on Aug 26, 2012 16:52:36 GMT -5
Sorry if all this is straying a bit wide of the thread's remit, by the way. To go back more closely on-topic, the Marvel Collecter's Item Classics and Marvel Superheroes reprints also added to my confusion about exactly when I first read Avengers. Stuff like the late 60's Avengers Annuals reprinting early issues doesn't help much, I definitely owned Annual #3 reprinting Avengers #4 and to my childish sensibilities, having these reprints equated to having the originals. But when exactly I got Annual #3 I cannot recall. I think it was at the time of it's publishing @sept 1969, but it could easily be a few years later, or even more. One more quick British Marvel question, if I may (and hopefully not usurp the thread too much further)-- I have an old-ish Captain Britain tpb which is fantastic. Davis/Neary art, I believe-- and Meaghan (Meggan? Megan?) is still a different sort of lupine creature in the beginning (an adolescent). Do you know if this was strictly a British title at that point? I don't recall ever seeing it on the racks over here. It's great reading to prep someone for the entry of Excaliber into the MU. HB
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Post by Crimson Cowl on Aug 26, 2012 18:01:12 GMT -5
One more quick British Marvel question, if I may (and hopefully not usurp the thread too much further)-- I have an old-ish Captain Britain tpb which is fantastic. Davis/Neary art, I believe-- and Meaghan (Meggan? Megan?) is still a different sort of lupine creature in the beginning (an adolescent). Do you know if this was strictly a British title at that point? I don't recall ever seeing it on the racks over here. It's great reading to prep someone for the entry of Excaliber into the MU. HB I should think that's most likely from the Captain Britain monthly series that ran from 1984-5 and was written by Jamie Delano. Judging from the contents of the various tpb's its probably got material from a few issues of Mighty World of Marvel too. This would be shortly after Alan Moore stopped writing the title (his last issue was MWOM 13). Betsy Braddock gets blinded by Slaymaster towards the end of Delano's run. Anyway, the answer is yes, these were British only releases.
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Post by humanbelly on Aug 26, 2012 21:03:01 GMT -5
One more quick British Marvel question, if I may (and hopefully not usurp the thread too much further)-- I have an old-ish Captain Britain tpb which is fantastic. Davis/Neary art, I believe-- and Meaghan (Meggan? Megan?) is still a different sort of lupine creature in the beginning (an adolescent). Do you know if this was strictly a British title at that point? I don't recall ever seeing it on the racks over here. It's great reading to prep someone for the entry of Excaliber into the MU. HB I should think that's most likely from the Captain Britain monthly series that ran from 1984-5 and was written by Jamie Delano. Judging from the contents of the various tpb's its probably got material from a few issues of Mighty World of Marvel too. This would be shortly after Alan Moore stopped writing the title (his last issue was MWOM 13). Betsy Braddock gets blinded by Slaymaster towards the end of Delano's run. Anyway, the answer is yes, these were British only releases. Thanks CC. And it occurred to me that it is the HEIGHT of sedentary laziness for me to sit here and ask a guy several thousand miles (and an ocean) away to answer a question that I was able to find out for myself by taking the trouble to go downstairs and look in Box 25 and pull out the TPB itself. Good grief, "Ugly American" indeed. The story does indeed span Moore & Delano's tenures. Starts in MIGHTY WORLD OF MARVEL 14, 7/84-- and ends in CAPTAIN BRITAIN #6, 6/85. I do apologize for my lamitudeness. . . back to our regular thread. . . HB
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Post by Crimson Cowl on Aug 27, 2012 5:32:02 GMT -5
Thanks CC. And it occurred to me that it is the HEIGHT of sedentary laziness for me to sit here and ask a guy several thousand miles (and an ocean) away to answer a question that I was able to find out for myself by taking the trouble to go downstairs and look in Box 25 and pull out the TPB itself. Good grief, "Ugly American" indeed. The story does indeed span Moore & Delano's tenures. Starts in MIGHTY WORLD OF MARVEL 14, 7/84-- and ends in CAPTAIN BRITAIN #6, 6/85. I do apologize for my lamitudeness. . . back to our regular thread. . . HB It's no hassle at all. You should really check out the Alan Moore stuff some time. Regarding Al Milgrom and Joe Sinnott. I'm not a fan of that artwork, either in The Avengers or WCA, but I suspect part of the problem is that Sinnott just doesn't suit Milgrom, indeed I'm not sure anyone but himself does. Sinnott in particular seems to me to be someone who is good for some artists but really damaging for others. John Byrne is someone I've seen him really mess up -making the art look plasticy and shallow. In Avengers Annual 23 Milgrom inks his own work in the story 'Master of his own Destiny' and the results are far more impressive IMO. Unfortunately it seems to be one off and in most of his work, like Ron Frenz, he comes over as a second rate Jack Kirby.
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Post by ultron69 on Aug 27, 2012 9:18:54 GMT -5
I first discovered the Avengers with #161. The beginning of the Bride of Ultron story, the cover with those ants crawling all over the Avengers (still etched in my brain) and the George Perez art. How could I not be hooked after that??
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