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Post by dlw66 on Apr 16, 2007 8:50:55 GMT -5
1. Captain America. The Avengers are not the same when he is not in the book, even if he's not the current chairman.
2. Batman. At his best when he is a detective. The O'Neil/Adams issues are true comics classics.
3. Spider-Man. The Romita years through the Andru years. My favorite period.
4. Mon-el. Noble, tragic, equal in power to Superboy. A true hero.
5. Hank Pym. Again, a tragic figure -- didn't have to be that way. I always liked him when he was on the top of his game, heroic and contributing with his mind as well as his skills. Perhaps a character that writers never really knew how to manage.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 16, 2007 16:10:23 GMT -5
dlw, could you help out a DC illeterate? Who is Mon-el?
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 16, 2007 16:24:33 GMT -5
Oooh -- if you like group books, you've missed out on a fun (yet cheesy at times) book over the years: The Legion of Super-Heroes. Here's a little primer: theages.superman.ws/Encyclopaedia/lsh.phpAs to Mon-el, he was a boy gone astray from the planet Daxam. He crash-landed on Earth in much the same manner as Kal-el had from Krypton. Superboy, mistakenly thinking the new boy was his brother from Krypton, named him Mon-el. After finding out that Mon-el had a sickness toward lead as Superboy had toward kryptonite, Superboy sent Mon-el to the Phantom Zone until Superboy could find a cure for the lead poisoning. That's a brief synopsis -- there's more to the story. Here're a couple of pictures:
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 16, 2007 16:36:38 GMT -5
God I hated the Legion. No offence, dlw ...It's funny, they always say that the way you can tell if a DCer is a Marvelite at heart is if their favourite character was Batmna. I agree with Joe Q on this one, Batman is SO a marvel character in the DC Universe.
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 16, 2007 16:42:39 GMT -5
God I hated the Legion. No offence, dlw ...It's funny, they always say that the way you can tell if a DCer is a Marvelite at heart is if their favourite character was Batmna. I agree with Joe Q on this one, Batman is SO a marvel character in the DC Universe. I always think it's funny how many Marvel Zombies there are on the boards. I guess if I was going to make an explanation of my buying habits as a kid, I'd say I was a Marvel-lover and a DC-tolerator. They had some books I enjoyed, but I did not feel as passionate about them as I did my Marvels. Somewhere long ago in a galaxy far away I stated my penchant for purchasing team books (I liked a lot of solo stuff, too) as a kid: Marvel: Avengers, FF, X-Men, Defenders, Champions, Inhumans. DC: Legion, Teen Titans, Secret Society of Super-Villains, All-Star Comics with the JSA. I especially liked Legion and Teen Titans because they were kids my age -- I thought that was very cool!!! What specifically, friend Doom, did you NOT like? I liked that they were kids (said that), I liked Superboy infinitely more than Superman, it was set in the future, the kids had puppy love relationships, very cool powers for some, very silly powers for others, and so on. I should mention that I stopped buying before Keith Giffen took over -- my Legion was during the Cockrum and Grell years, and then a year or so after Grell left the book.
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Post by Tana Nile on Apr 16, 2007 23:36:19 GMT -5
God I hated the Legion. No offence, dlw ...It's funny, they always say that the way you can tell if a DCer is a Marvelite at heart is if their favourite character was Batmna. I agree with Joe Q on this one, Batman is SO a marvel character in the DC Universe. I always think it's funny how many Marvel Zombies there are on the boards. I guess if I was going to make an explanation of my buying habits as a kid, I'd say I was a Marvel-lover and a DC-tolerator. They had some books I enjoyed, but I did not feel as passionate about them as I did my Marvels. Somewhere long ago in a galaxy far away I stated my penchant for purchasing team books (I liked a lot of solo stuff, too) as a kid: Marvel: Avengers, FF, X-Men, Defenders, Champions, Inhumans. DC: Legion, Teen Titans, Secret Society of Super-Villains, All-Star Comics with the JSA. I especially liked Legion and Teen Titans because they were kids my age -- I thought that was very cool!!! What specifically, friend Doom, did you NOT like? I liked that they were kids (said that), I liked Superboy infinitely more than Superman, it was set in the future, the kids had puppy love relationships, very cool powers for some, very silly powers for others, and so on. I should mention that I stopped buying before Keith Giffen took over -- my Legion was during the Cockrum and Grell years, and then a year or so after Grell left the book. I think we were running parallel paths, Doug! As a kid, it was "Make Mine Marvel" - mainly because my older brother was a Marvel-only fan, so for several years, I was too. But then I saw a DC book that piqued my curiosity. It was Legion. I think it was issue 201, with Wildfire. In any case, I loved Legion, for many of the reasons you have already mentioned. That then got me to look at Justice League, and years later, the Perez-Wolfman Teen Titans. But Legion opened the door for me.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 16, 2007 23:38:59 GMT -5
Wildfire was my favorite legionnaire... Loved the costume & the fact that his "body" was composed of energy.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 16, 2007 23:40:36 GMT -5
...for some reason, he was just called "Fire" (Fuego) in Spanish...
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 16, 2007 23:43:57 GMT -5
Wildfire was my favorite legionnaire... Loved the costume & the fact that his "body" was composed of energy. Is he still around...?
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 17, 2007 5:21:58 GMT -5
Y'all can make fun of me all you want for my posting speed, but at least I never quote myself,..ahem, Bong . I think Doom's ego is starting to rub off. ;D I was a Marvel Zombie by economics. I only had enough to by a few titles. They all happened to be Marvel and it stuck. After I got older I bought a few DC trade paperbacks and found those to be good stories as well. So I got de-zombified, I just don't know too many of the mid-popularity characters.
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 17, 2007 7:20:03 GMT -5
Bong-head:
I am "catching up" with the recently rebooted (again) Legion, and I don't believe Wildfire is on the team. He was not in the last incarnation of the team, either, so I am unsure as to plans for the character. I think we all know that they have to use a character or his/her likeness approximately once in a 7-year period to maintain the license/copyrights, so I'd say ol' Wildfire's about due for some kind of appearance.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 17, 2007 19:34:37 GMT -5
One old-school DC title I knoe about, but not much about
The Legion of Sustitute Super-Heroes. Are you familiar with that one DLW? They had a shape changer, A guy who got mad and a character names Bouncing Boy which I believe actually made it into the legion. There was also the guy who would go unconscious and turn into a rock.
That was a pretty funny script. I think sometimes that the New Warriors stole a little of their ide from the substitutes.
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Post by imperiusrex on Apr 17, 2007 20:26:15 GMT -5
Bong-head: I am "catching up" with the recently rebooted (again) Legion, and I don't believe Wildfire is on the team. He was not in the last incarnation of the team, either, so I am unsure as to plans for the character. I think we all know that they have to use a character or his/her likeness approximately once in a 7-year period to maintain the license/copyrights, so I'd say ol' Wildfire's about due for some kind of appearance. You missed it. he appeared in this issue. photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2606/1835/1600/LegionOfSuperHeroesCv15.jpga fun story that kind of gives a knowing wink to all the retcons that the Legion has undergone.
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 18, 2007 4:01:46 GMT -5
Staying to the USA comics:
1) Spider-Man (pretty much the first comics hero I've even known) 2) Thor (a fantasy character in a world of gods ! Gotta love that ! ;D) 3) Captain America (for integrity and morals) 4) Batman (the dark side of heroism, showing that sometimes fear and darkness can be positive) 5) have to think about this one... Iron Man pre CW I guess
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 18, 2007 10:45:51 GMT -5
I was a kid when I read them, I didn't need a reason to not like them I needed a reason to like them and for no reason I can discern I despised the Legion with a passion.
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 18, 2007 12:12:14 GMT -5
Bong-head: I am "catching up" with the recently rebooted (again) Legion, and I don't believe Wildfire is on the team. He was not in the last incarnation of the team, either, so I am unsure as to plans for the character. I think we all know that they have to use a character or his/her likeness approximately once in a 7-year period to maintain the license/copyrights, so I'd say ol' Wildfire's about due for some kind of appearance. You missed it. he appeared in this issue. photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2606/1835/1600/LegionOfSuperHeroesCv15.jpga fun story that kind of gives a knowing wink to all the retcons that the Legion has undergone. I did read that issue... he doesn't appear before or (to my knowledge -- haven't read up-to-date yet) after that issue. I hope he soon will, however.
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Post by sharkar on Apr 18, 2007 19:36:21 GMT -5
After I discovered Marvel (FF, Avengers, X-Men, Subby), for the most part I stopped reading DC books...one exception was the Legion, in Adventure. This is way back in the Silver Age, when Shooter (when he was a teenager) was writing the LSH. His LSH stories always reminded me of Marvel's style- -complex and open-ended, more so than other DC comics at the time. Shooter was experimental and also often incorporated or adapted themes and plots from movies, literature, etc. Shooter's writing was always interesting. Here's a link to an informative website about the Silver Age Legion: members.shaw.ca/legion_of_super-heroes/mainpage.htmAs I may have mentioned in another post, I was so enthralled by the LSH that I begged my parents for many months to allow me to subscribe to Adventure. Finally, they relented. This was the only book I was ever allowed to subscribe to as a kid. The first issue in my subscription was #380--I was deliriously happy-- and then, the next month, #381 arrived...the cover proudly proclaimed the book was now starring --Supergirl!!! (The LSH were relegated to a few pages in the back of Action comics). This event remains a major disappointment from my childhood. Sorry to get off topic here. I'll post my five favorite heroes at a later date--reliving this memory is upsetting me all over again...
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 19, 2007 15:03:07 GMT -5
THAT, is a sad story. Many Legion fans have that kind of passion for the team.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 19, 2007 15:27:25 GMT -5
Y'know, the Legion are the focus of DC's newest "mini-event", JLA/JSA crossover.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 19, 2007 17:49:30 GMT -5
Who are your all-time less favorite legionnaires, dlw66, sharkar & Tana...?
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Post by sharkar on Apr 19, 2007 19:43:21 GMT -5
Good question, Bong. Back when I was reading the LSH, there were a lot of Legionnaires I was indifferent about. Their powers, or costumes, or personalities didn't intrigue me. Off the top of my head (and using their Silver Age names), I'd say Bouncing Boy, Sun Boy, Chameleon Boy, Cosmic Boy (even though he was a Legion founder), Colossal Boy, Element Lad, Shrinking Violet, Duo Damsel...for whatever reason--powers, costume, personality--these characters just didn't appeal to me. So why did I like the Legion so much? Apart from the interesting writing, there were enough characters who did capture my imagination: Saturn Girl, Brainiac 5, Dream Girl (I'm a sucker for characters with cerebral powers); Princess Projectra and Karate Kid; and my favorites, Lighting Lad and Light Lass. The beauty of the LSH original run in Adventure was that the writers, Shooter- -but also E. Nelson Bridwell and Edmond Hamilton--tended to feature a lot of heroes in each issue, so at least one of my favorites was bound to be included! And the amazing thing is, even with a large cast of characters, the writers usually manged to convey each character's personality, even when a character had minimal dialogue. This was very unlike, say, the JLA book at the time, which was known for its lack of character-specific dialogue (obviously, pre-Denny O'Neil) or the Teen Titans, where Speedy and Kid Flash were basically interchangeable. I guess I have gone off topic again but I really liked Bong's question.
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Post by Tana Nile on Apr 19, 2007 23:48:48 GMT -5
Who are your all-time less favorite legionnaires, dlw66, sharkar & Tana...? least favorite Legionnaires: 1. Bouncing Boy 2. Duo Damsel 3. Matter Eater Lad (as many have said, Silver Age DC's Galactus) There were a number of Legionnaires or Legion wanna-bes that had nearly useless or just plain ridiculous powers. But that was also part of the joy of Legion: there were what seemed like a million different characters running around!
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Post by daned on Apr 20, 2007 6:26:48 GMT -5
1) Spiderman. Yes, he's broken my heart on a number of occasions: Aunt May being alive; Green Goblin being alive; Todd McFarlane's run, but what I love about comics and heroism always come back to Spidey
2) Captain America. The man
3) Thor. I have always loved the infinite power angle tempered with the infinite humanity. And less trouble with verisimilitude than the blue/red DC machine.
4) Thunderstrike. Cheesey? No way. The power of Thor, the belief in humanity of Cap, the humanity of Spidey. Broke my heart when he died.
5) Jesse Custer. The creation of a hero-hating cynic, and I'm not entirely sure if he's allowed to be on the list, but the take-no-nuts, old-fashioned, John Wayne (the icon, not the fascist reality) aping heroism ruled.
And #5 was added to avoid Marvel-zombie accusations.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 20, 2007 6:36:12 GMT -5
if you want him on your list then that's juuusssst fine
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 20, 2007 7:01:15 GMT -5
1) Spiderman. Yes, he's broken my heart on a number of occasions: Aunt May being alive; Green Goblin being alive; Todd McFarlane's run, but what I love about comics and heroism always come back to Spidey 2) Captain America. The man 3) Thor. I have always loved the infinite power angle tempered with the infinite humanity. And less trouble with verisimilitude than the blue/red DC machine. 4) Thunderstrike. Cheesey? No way. The power of Thor, the belief in humanity of Cap, the humanity of Spidey. Broke my heart when he died. 5) Jesse Custer. The creation of a hero-hating cynic, and I'm not entirely sure if he's allowed to be on the list, but the take-no-nuts, old-fashioned, John Wayne (the icon, not the fascist reality) aping heroism ruled. And #5 was added to avoid Marvel-zombie accusations. Well, I'll be DANED, where have you been, sir...? Glad to have you back, anyway...
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 20, 2007 8:27:58 GMT -5
Bong, in answer to your question:
Matter-Eater Lad: I thought he had a pretty silly power. Tyroc: same reason and a really ugly costume.
Star Boy: cool gravity-manipulation powers, particularly when in conjunction with Light Lass, but really a non-developed character personality-wise.
Chemical King: short-lived, but not all that different from Element Lad.
Shadow Lass: VERY interesting costume for a lad of 12-years old to look at, but I didn't think her power gave the team much more of an advantage than did the powers of Chameleon Boy or Princess Projectra, both of whom I liked.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 20, 2007 8:37:52 GMT -5
what was the name of the guy who turned into rock but fell asleep when he did? He was with the substitute Legion.
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Post by balok on Apr 20, 2007 9:00:44 GMT -5
Hmmmm, the Top Five across all companies...
1. Batman. He's always been a favorite
2. Spider-Man. The right mix of heroism and problems
3. Captain America. He represents what's best about America, and he never quits.
4. Iron Man, prior to Civil War. He's an engineer, I'm an engineer. It was a natural
5. Green Lantern (Hal Jordon), prior to Parallax. The idea of shaping energy, and an intergalactic band of troubleshooters always seemed cool, even if they did rip off "Doc" Smith's Lensmen.
Post Civil War, Iron Man drops off the list, Green Lantern moves into the number 4 position, and Doctor Strange moves into the 5 position.
For an entirely Marvel list, move Spidey and Cap to #1 and #2, Doctor Strange to #3, and add The Vision at #4 and The Wasp and the Black Widow tie for #5.
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Post by von Bek on Apr 20, 2007 9:27:14 GMT -5
Star Boy: cool gravity-manipulation powers, particularly when in conjunction with Light Lass, but really a non-developed character personality-wise. You should check DC´s JSA, it´s interesting what Geoff Johns is doing with the character.
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Post by sharkar on Apr 20, 2007 11:42:49 GMT -5
Top 5 heroes: Cap Hulk Iron Man Thor Sub-Mariner
Oh wait, that's the weekly line-up for the 1960s Marvel Super-Heroes cartoons. Actually, my list would still contain Cap as #1, for obvious reasons; and Subby, as #5: I always liked his half-human, half-Atlantean conflict.
Rounding out my list would be:
#2: Batman: a classic creation #3: Havok: I just like him. The original costume, the powers, and he's much more likeable than Scott. Too bad Marvel doesn't use him more. #4: Scarlet Witch: a really non-traditional character (who else do you know who was married to an android?)...could be the most interesting character in comics, with a great look.
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