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Post by Van Plexico on Jul 2, 2008 6:32:21 GMT -5
Love those MARVEL TEAM-UPs from that era! Claremont had a great series of sub-plots running in the background for years there. The Equinox storyline... the Super-Skrull and Ms. Marvel... great stuff. Very inspiring to Bobby and me when we first wrote our superhero short stories.
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Post by Van Plexico on Jul 2, 2008 6:34:16 GMT -5
Iron Man vs Arsenal!! Awesome. That led to one of the better AVENGERS ANNUALs of its era. And I always love seeing Shellhead flying in to rescue the entire rest of the team after they've been taken out.
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Post by Van Plexico on Jul 2, 2008 6:36:55 GMT -5
That was my very first issue of GHOST RIDER-- #27, with Hawkeye and the Manticore. The interesting thing about GR back then was that he was portrayed in the comics as much more of a standard Marvel "conflicted hero" (tm) than a horrifying supernatural entity.
In other words, Johnny Blaze turning into Ghost Rider was almost always written more like, say, Banner turning into Hulk, rather than "demonic spirit of vengeance and fear, etc."
Almost everything Marvel did in that era had a similar feel and approach. Now, it was an approach that I really liked! But it did tend to take the "scary" edge off of characters like Blaze who could have been very edgy and more exciting...
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Post by dlw66 on Jul 3, 2008 12:53:59 GMT -5
Here's a Marvel licensed comic from the latter '70's. Couple of problems with this Trimpe/Green effort. First, the Vision's dialogue balloon is all wrong, as this was long before the period when he began speaking "normally" and not in a robotic tone. Second, if this isn't a typical DC-type schtick, I don't know what is!!
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Post by Dr. Hank Pym on Jul 5, 2008 17:46:11 GMT -5
ONLY Hank and Jan? I guess they're doomed!
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Post by sharkar on Jul 6, 2008 19:39:02 GMT -5
thanks to sharkar for some posting help My pleasure, hunterrose. You've posted some really fantastic covers! And thanks for the cover of FantaCo's Avengers Chronicles. Starfoxxx has mentioned this a few times previously and from his description, it sounded very interesting...so it was a treat to see the cover! By the way, a really silly bit of dialogue on this cover, don't you think...? Arsenal says: "The Avengers must DIE!!!" ... and IM's sage comeback is... "Not ALL of us, mister!"... What the... !!! Does he mean it's ok if SOME of them die...? Does he mean as long as HE doesn't die he's cool with it...? LOL!!!! ;D
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Post by sharkar on Jul 6, 2008 19:57:14 GMT -5
Here's a Marvel licensed comic from the latter '70's. Couple of problems with this Trimpe/Green effort. IMHO, Hank looks off. Because of the tapering at the knees and ankles, his legs look merely shapely (rather than muscular). Also, he is drawn with a very defined wasp waist (pun intended). Paired with the wide shoulders, Hank looks like he has an hourglass figure--er, physique!
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Post by Dr. Hank Pym on Jul 6, 2008 23:37:00 GMT -5
sharkar: Maybe Hank wanted to look glamorous and chic! Hey, if the Wasp can get away with it...
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Post by sharkar on Jul 7, 2008 13:11:51 GMT -5
sharkar: Maybe Hank wanted to look glamorous and chic! Hey, if the Wasp can get away with it... It's like the top half is Hank and the bottom half is Rita Di Mera. (Yes, I know she wasn't introduced until years later...)
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Post by dlw66 on Jul 7, 2008 16:56:03 GMT -5
Wow.
That's just weird.
So, then: where does Herb Trimpe rank on the all-time list of "gee, if he could only draw anatomically correct humans..."? Have to be right up there with Liefeld with this offering, ya think??
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Post by sharkar on Jul 7, 2008 22:41:21 GMT -5
] Wow. That's just weird. So, then: where does Herb Trimpe rank on the all-time list of "gee, if he could only draw anatomically correct humans..."? Have to be right up there with Liefeld with this offering, ya think?? LOL! Yes. No one was asking Trimpe to be like Johhny B in terms of rendering anatomy. I mean, Kirby drew his male characters with "unrealistic" musculature--the muscles often looked like filled water-balloons. But as far as I've seen, the King never gave Cap, or Reed, or Johnny, or Thor a cinched-in waist above such rounded hips! Back on topic: Here is a well-known cover of a non-Avengers comics that features some tough-looking Avengers.
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Post by Dr. Hank Pym on Jul 8, 2008 8:27:19 GMT -5
"Together Again For the First Time!" Talk about an odd-choice of words! I've just woken up, so I was re-reading that for a few moments, trying to comprehend what that meant.
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Post by dlw66 on Jul 11, 2008 10:56:01 GMT -5
Here's a Dave Cockrum, belly-less Carol Danvers, complete with lots of Avengers! This is more of a "floating bodies" cover than floating heads!
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Post by Dr. Hank Pym on Jul 11, 2008 22:03:06 GMT -5
dlw: That's actually a very nice looking cover! Pretty cool!
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Post by dlw66 on Jul 14, 2008 9:20:52 GMT -5
If this couldnt' pass for a Silver Age DC cover, I don't know what could (unless this had gorillas on it ;D) --
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Post by dlw66 on Jul 17, 2008 8:01:29 GMT -5
The title of this one is "By Blastaar Betrayed!" Like what, ya think you could trust the big hairy galoot??
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Post by scottharris on Jul 17, 2008 8:58:58 GMT -5
Here's a Dave Cockrum, belly-less Carol Danvers, complete with lots of Avengers! This is more of a "floating bodies" cover than floating heads! Unfortunately, this issue is also the first appearance of Mystique, so it's kind of expensive.
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Post by scottharris on Jul 17, 2008 9:07:49 GMT -5
Technically, this one doesn't count under the rules of this thread, since it doesn't have two Avengers on it. However, it's fundamentally an Avengers story, and a forgotten one at that. This is a Kang epic that takes place prior to the Celestial Madonna storyline; based on the cover design, I think this storyline (which is in MTU #9-11) takes place at the same time as Avengers #110-112. The story starts with Kang having already defeated the Avengers and taken over the mansion. Geez, that was fast. The only Avengers not clocked is Iron Man, who is trying to get into the Mansion, which Kang has a force field around. As always in MTU, Spider-Man just happens to be swinging by, which is my main gripe with the entire series: the plots almost always rely on complete coincidence. Anyway, for the rest of the story, Spider-Man is trying to defeat Kang and rescue the Avengers, and he of course runs into a new helper guy in each issue. As a Kang fan, it's cool to rediscover this important bit of Avengers history. The story, however, is almost total nonsense, like most MTU stories.
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Post by dlw66 on Jul 18, 2008 9:54:02 GMT -5
Technically, this one doesn't count under the rules of this thread, since it doesn't have two Avengers on it. Scott, anytime someone wants to impart a little history nugget to my brain, I stand grateful!! Thanks!
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Post by scottharris on Jul 18, 2008 11:45:47 GMT -5
Well, I've picked up a few more Avengers appearances thanks to this thread, and I have to say that most of them are really lame. Quasar #41-42, for example, is pretty awful. I'm a big fan of Gru, but by this point in the series, sales must have been pretty bad, because this story is essentially an excuse to drag more popular guest stars into the title. For example, #41 features the Avengers on the cover and the story continues in #42, but #42 has on its cover... The Punisher. Sure enough, the Avengers part gets tied up pretty quickly and then Punisher shows up and... it sucks.
Also in the crap category, for me at least, was Daredevil #157. As others have pointed out, the Avengers lineup in this issue doesn't make a whole lot of sense, as it never actually existed -- it's got Cap, Beast, Black Widow and Hercules, who I think all worked together only during the Korvac storyline. They are superfluous to the story, which is saying something, considering the story is superfluous to itself.
Notably, this is the last issue of Daredevil before Frank Miller joined as an artist. I'm wondering if there has ever been another series that went as long as Daredevil -- 157 issues -- with such a low level of quality. I've read maybe 40-50 of those issues and they are universally poor.
The blurb for next issue is interesting; it just says that joining the writer will be "a new artist". It makes it seem like they weren't even sure who it was going to be in advance. Miller replaces Gene Colan. Now, I don't want to sound blasphemous, but... I've met Colan, he's a great guy, I very much respect his work in the industry, but I have to say I just don't like his art. There, I said it. For me, his best work was Avengers #65, and he had some cool Cap issues with Red Skull when Falcon was introduced, but for the most part, I just don't like his art. This issue of Daredevil is no exception.
Hopefully we can dig up some more lost treasures, so I can further increase my collection of sub-par Avengers stories.
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Post by Van Plexico on Jul 18, 2008 11:49:56 GMT -5
MTIO #75 was a great issue.
You will note in the lower right corner-- yes, that is the Super-Adaptoid. Enjoy.
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Post by Shiryu on Jul 18, 2008 13:24:28 GMT -5
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Post by Dr. Hank Pym on Jul 18, 2008 14:16:32 GMT -5
Hawkeye's face never ceases to crack me up! Be forewarned though, the story is awful...
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Post by Shiryu on Jul 18, 2008 15:49:14 GMT -5
That's the issue where Spidey goes at Hawkeye's home, isn't it? I always like that kind of things, superheroes in daily settings (and Spidey was quite surprised to see the type of house that Clint could afford).
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Post by Dr. Hank Pym on Jul 18, 2008 18:14:34 GMT -5
Shiryu: Right! Spidey comments on how he was surprised that Hawkeye was able to get such a nice home, as it was in a ritzy neighboorhood. That part was pretty cool. Clint even showed Spidey where he keeps his spare bows and arrows!
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Post by sharkar on Jul 19, 2008 13:20:05 GMT -5
The recent X-Men cover thread reminded me that I've been meaning to post this cover here, as an example of a non-Avengers cover featuring at least two Avengers. Namor's here, of course, but if you squint you'll see Wanda and Pietro. The lettering of their names is more prominent than they are!
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Post by dlw66 on Jul 19, 2008 13:27:25 GMT -5
We've discussed cover lettering off an on around here through the years. Word balloons, hype blurbs, etc. Marvel Team-Up #9, posted by Shiryu above, may be the perfect example of overdoing it as to cover text. Wow! Reading that cover takes longer than reading some of today's regular 20-page books!!!
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Post by dlw66 on Jul 19, 2008 16:20:50 GMT -5
Walter Simonson and Joe Sinnott do the art chores on this beauty, as Nick Fury joins the Avengers Floating Heads Club!!!!
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Post by Doctor Bong on Jul 19, 2008 17:32:05 GMT -5
Walter Simonson and Joe Sinnott do the art chores on this beauty, as Nick Fury joins the Avengers Floating Heads Club!!!! I always enjoyed IM & Thor's interactions, like the time when IM got possessed by Dr. Spectrum's prism and went on a rampage and Thor was sent by Jarvis to stop him.
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Post by Dr. Hank Pym on Jul 19, 2008 19:15:15 GMT -5
sharkar: Ahhh, Namor looks so much different as compared to what he would look like a year later! It seems like after that appearance, his look was changed (I'm guessing to establish his tweener style?)
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