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Post by hunterrose on Jun 10, 2008 23:54:33 GMT -5
my favorites have been taken....but here are a few i really like
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Post by hunterrose on Jun 10, 2008 23:59:49 GMT -5
here's some more
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Doctor Bong
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Post by Doctor Bong on Jun 11, 2008 0:37:16 GMT -5
here's some more Wow! Based on the cover alone, I would love to read that issue... Is it supposed to be some kind of alternate Earth story...?
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Post by hunterrose on Jun 11, 2008 2:43:49 GMT -5
originally, the rampaging hulk stories were to be stories set between hulk 1-6 and tales to ASTONISH 59. but some of the stories got kind of weird. he had some love thing with Jarella (from hulk 140) ,and the whole was swept under the rug. alternate or a dream or something. i keep meaning to finish reading the rampaging stories ..... i think i read 1-4 or so.
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Post by dlw66 on Jun 11, 2008 9:43:58 GMT -5
hunterrose --
I had thought of finding and posting the Marvel Team-Ups immediately preceding the one you chose, as they contained the Vision and the Scarlet Witch and a Salem-type of story. Good choice here, though! I also like the Marvel Two-n-One cover -- any excuse to look at a George Perez Beast is OK with me!
All --
I believe The Rampaging Hulk is being collected in the Essential series.
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Post by Tana Nile on Jun 11, 2008 10:09:46 GMT -5
Just yesterday, I read an article on the Rampaging Hulk magazine in Back Issue magazine #28. Those first nine issues had a number of stories that were supposed to take place after Hulk #1-6, but many of them violated continuity in some way - for example, that cover with the Avengers together before Avengers #1. So in the regular comic of Incredible Hulk, in issue 269, Bill Mantlo wrote a story which basically said those first nine issues of Rampaging Hulk were all part of an alien's movie about Hulk. So they are not counted as "real" - but I am sure they still may be entertaining!
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Post by sharkar on Jun 11, 2008 21:59:11 GMT -5
All -- I believe The Rampaging Hulk is being collected in the Essential series. Thanks for this info. I think I'll pick it up, as the Back Issue article (which Tana mentioned) was extremely interesting...plus I really like the cover hunterrose posted. I'd never seen it before, and it's absolutely beautiful. Man, how come the Avengers are always getting or have gotten their butts kicked on these covers?? I'll say! You sure picked a couple of great covers spotlighting Earth's Mightiest Wusses. EDIT: replaced cover images
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Post by sharkar on Jun 11, 2008 22:48:29 GMT -5
I couldn't say the specific reason, but I do know that during the periods when it went from a quarter to 30 cents and then again obviously from 30 cents to 35 cents there were variations in price. In fact, the Overstreet Comic Book Price Guide sometimes even lists different prices depending on the level of distribution of a given price. Okay, I was really curious about this so I did some research... and it looks like the different prices were used to test the waters in advance of forthcoming price hikes. The higher prices were tested out in proscribed markets. According to the good folks at stlcomics.com: The Marvel 30 cent price variants"Marvel 30 cent variants are the test price versions of all the regular 25 cent titles that Marvel published from April to August 1976. Marvel raised the price of all their titles in six test markets to see what the resistance to a 5 cent price increase would be. The only exceptions are Ka-Zar #16 and Inhumans #5 since all of those issues have a 30 cent price. "However, all of the other regular Marvel titles have 30 cent variants for a total of 186 possible variants. These variants were only distributed in six markets and apparently not all outlets in those markets received all the variants. The six test markets were: Grand Rapids, MI Baltimore, MD San Antonio, TX San Jose, CA Albuquerque, NM Somewhere in Massachusetts" The Marvel 35 cent price variants"It has been speculated that Marvel Comics back in June 1977 wanted to test the market to see if comic buyers would accept a five cent price increase. Much like the 30 cent variants from the year before Marvel released a 35 cent variant for every 30 cent comic they produced from June to Oct. 1977. This was a total of 184 different comics. These 35 cent variants were printed in much smaller numbers than the normal 30 cent counterpart and were believed to have only been shipped to only six distribution areas to be sold in those areas." I found a lot of online resources about the mid-70s price variants, but the site stlcomics.com was the most engaging- -so in case anyone else is interested in this sort of stuff I'm including the links to their site: stlcomics.com/gallery/30cent/stlcomics.com/gallery/35cent/
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Post by dlw66 on Jun 12, 2008 8:21:56 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. ;D !! Who says wiling away the hours on a message board isn't educational??
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Post by hunterrose on Jun 22, 2008 13:27:03 GMT -5
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Post by Dr. Hank Pym on Jun 22, 2008 13:34:11 GMT -5
This one is one of my personal favorites! sharkar: Thanks for those links! They'll make good reading materials for today! I had always wondered why there would be random price hikes...
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Post by Doctor Bong on Jun 22, 2008 14:22:48 GMT -5
This one is one of my personal favorites! sharkar: Thanks for those links! They'll make good reading materials for today! I had always wondered why there would be random price hikes... Well there you have it...! Finally a cover where the Avengers kick a--...! And MAJOR a-- at that, even if they aren't the 616 Avengers...
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Post by starfoxxx on Jun 22, 2008 15:18:10 GMT -5
What If? vol. 1 #3, #9, #25, and #29 are among my favorite comics and covers.
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Post by sharkar on Jun 22, 2008 19:21:31 GMT -5
sharkar: Thanks for those links! They'll make good reading materials for today! I had always wondered why there would be random price hikes... Glad to be of assistance, doc. This one is one of my personal favorites! Well there you have it...! Finally a cover where the Avengers kick a--...! And MAJOR a-- at that, even if they aren't the 616 Avengers... And it's about time!!! And I take it this story is an expansion on events occurring in Avengers Annual/Special #2 (1968)? Just a rhetorical question--you know I'll look it up... EDIT: replaced cover image in Bong's quote
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Post by sharkar on Jun 22, 2008 19:25:47 GMT -5
hunterrose and doctorhankpym have posted some great What If? Avengers-centric covers- -so here's one of my all-time favorites...a great story, very sad... I've always loved the What Ifs? and the DC Imaginary Stories.
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Post by scottharris on Jun 23, 2008 23:42:47 GMT -5
Okay, I've got to comment on some of these. First up is X-Men # 26 from 1993, which is part of the Avengers/X-Men crossover, Bloodties. I hate this cover. I'm not a fan of the younger Kuberts in general, but wow, wtf is going on with Cap exactly? He looks like a minivan is about to burst out of his chest and go shooting off the page. How about this? I like this one quite a bit. However, the design aspects of the comic itself -- not the drawing, but the title graphics, text, etc., serve to really detract from the overall effect. For Marvel, IMO, their graphic design from the 25 cent era until the 60 cent era was sorely lacking. And I've always loved some Secret Wars' covers, so Mike Zeck did some great, great covers for Secret Wars, but in my opinion none of the ones with Avengers on them really qualify with the exception of #1, with the iconic shot of all the Marvel heroes attacking the reader. This has always been one of my favorite covers, but it doesn't have anything to do with the Avengers: I've never cared for the cover of Fantastic Four #26. It seems really unfocused and scattershot to me, sort of like the cover of Avengers #44. However, I like this one a lot: Technically, only Iron man was an Avenger at this time. But all of these guys have now been Avengers! Here's a favorite cover of mine- -FF Annual #3- -featuring a number of Avengers My copy of FF Annual #3 is coverless. I can't complain, though, since I only paid 25 cents for it. Anyway, you posted one of my favorite covers; and this story features the first meeting (on-panel, anyway) of future rivals Pietro and Johnny! This story also predates Avengers #16; it came out at the same time as Avengers #11 and seems to be a tryout for their later switch to heroes. In the story, Quicksilver and Wanda go to the FF to talk about switching sides, but Thing and Torch attack them on sight. I believe Pietro comments at one point in the issue that they would go to Avengers Mansion if they knew where it was. Floating heads, anyone? Now this is a great cover, and the story is pretty good too, something very rare for early Iron Man issues in my experience. This story continues in Avengers #69. And this beauty from Colan: I'm lucky enough to live near Colan (I guess) because he shows up pretty regularly at my local comic book store. I have this issue autographed, along with #117 and Avengers #65. Tana said this about Sub-Mariner #35: I would if this story wasn't so lame. L-A-M-E. Whoo-hoo!! This is fun! This is a really cool cover, and the story is good too. How rare! Here is another late '70's example of Gil Kane's cover work at Marvel. Man, how come the Avengers are always getting or have gotten their butts kicked on these covers?? Gil Kane was a genius on covers. I just love Kane's covers. Did he have someone else inking him on this cover, though? It doesn't quite look like his classic work; the shading is a little weird for him. here's some more This is fantastic! I've got pretty much every significant Avengers appearance in any comic prior to 1990, but I've never even heard of this. Probably because it's no longer in continuity. I'll have to track this down. One of the rare cover appearances of Hawkeye wearing his dress in a comic other than Avengers. Maybe the only one? I had thought of finding and posting the Marvel Team-Ups immediately preceding the one you chose, as they contained the Vision and the Scarlet Witch and a Salem-type of story. This story runs for three issues and makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Mantlo was very hit or miss; sometimes his crazy ideas were awesome, and other times he wrote this ridiculous nonsense. Seriously, this story is just completely out to lunch. Somewhere, I wrote an overview of those issues, if I can find it I'll post it. When I have time I'll also go through my Avengers crossover collection and see what cool covers I can locate.
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Post by scottharris on Jun 24, 2008 23:12:57 GMT -5
Well, I went through my collection and didn't really see a whole lot of great covers. There were a few that caught my attention, though only a couple of them have the whole team on it. Here's one of my favorite alternate world type stories, from X-Men #191: In this one, at least the Avengers aren't getting their ass kicked, even though they are pretty much useless anyway: This is just Cap on the cover (the whole team is inside), but Barry-Windsor Smith is such a great artist: And... okay, I don't recommend reading this story. While I liked X-Statix for quite a while, by this point they had really lost their fastball. This story is a five issue parody of the classic Avengers-Defenders War; the writing is typical for the series, meaning everyone comes across like a knob on all sides. The art, however, is also typical, meaning it's great. This is the cover for #21; it's almost worth getting just for the great Allred cover:
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Post by dlw66 on Jun 26, 2008 9:28:01 GMT -5
How about this one? Apparently, because I demanded it !!
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Post by spiderwasp on Jun 26, 2008 15:58:13 GMT -5
How about this one? Apparently, because I demanded it !! Through the years there have been many things I've apparently demanded without even remembering it. By the way, this post I'm making right now: This is it! The one you've been waiting for!
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Post by Shiryu on Jun 26, 2008 16:32:06 GMT -5
In this one, at least the Avengers aren't getting their ass kicked, even though they are pretty much useless anyway: This cover, and the issue inside, is one of my all time favs. Spider-Man vs Firelord, two issues of complete slug fest, but showing how much of an hero Peter can be, even against hugely more powerful enemies. Besides, the story has its epilogue in the Avengers. I think Stern was writing both books at the time.
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Post by hunterrose on Jun 28, 2008 12:38:29 GMT -5
well, these two are not my favs, but i'm running out of covers. this has been way to much fun,so this will be my last cover post. (thanks to sharkar for some posting help) well....i have one more cover to post 10 points to whoever knows what this book is if you liked the other books Jarvis-Head....u should love this one there's a cool back cover to this. it has the original avengers fighting Loki, with head shots of the others.....all by perez
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Post by Tana Nile on Jun 28, 2008 13:39:49 GMT -5
I've still got my copy of the Avengers Chronicles, but it seems like the type has gotten smaller... That was a great little book with interesting articles and nice artwork as you said, HR. To me it looked like Perez had used felt pens to color it! Fantaco put out a few of these back in the day. I remember getting the F4 one, and I think they did the X-Men too.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Jun 28, 2008 15:19:52 GMT -5
well, these two are not my favs, but i'm running out of covers. this has been way to much fun,so this will be my last cover post. (thanks to sharkar for some posting help) well....i have one more cover to post 10 points to whoever knows what this book is if you liked the other books Jarvis-Head....u should love this one there's a cool back cover to this. it has the original avengers fighting Loki, with head shots of the others.....all by perez I, on the other hand, was a big fan of Gruenwald's Quasar in particular and most of his writing in general. But I have to agree that the art on those covers isn't all that great...
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Post by starfoxxx on Jun 28, 2008 19:02:25 GMT -5
Avengers Chronicles was fantastic. That cover is one of my all-time favorites (the Beast's ice cream cone?!?!), and the back cover IS awesome. But i always wondered why the silver surfer appeared on the back cover. The Fred Hembeck spread, the roll call pages, great articles, and that checklist was priceless for me back then.
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Post by Dr. Hank Pym on Jun 29, 2008 22:00:52 GMT -5
How about this one? Apparently, because I demanded it !! dlw66: And just WHAT did we tell you about demanding things without consulting with the rest of us?
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Post by dlw66 on Jun 30, 2008 11:04:13 GMT -5
A couple of more from the Groovy '70's! A Gene Colan gem (you could probably argue that although DD refers to Natasha and Herc as Avengers, at this time they were in the Champions): And this from JR JR (Doom, if he always drew like this, then I would like him) -- this Arsenal fellow was in Avengers Annual #9.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Jun 30, 2008 14:15:42 GMT -5
A couple of more from the Groovy '70's! A Gene Colan gem (you could probably argue that although DD refers to Natasha and Herc as Avengers, at this time they were in the Champions): And this from JR JR (Doom, if he always drew like this, then I would like him) -- this Arsenal fellow was in Avengers Annual #9. I agree, dlw, I used to count JR JR among my favorite artists based on his job in IM; sadly, later I found the way his art "evolved" not to my liking at all... By the way, a really silly bit of dialogue on this cover, don't you think...? Arsenal says: "The Avengers must DIE!!!" ... and IM's sage comeback is... "Not ALL of us, mister!"... What the... !!! Does he mean it's ok if SOME of them die...? Does he mean as long as HE doesn't die he's cool with it...?
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Post by scottharris on Jun 30, 2008 18:49:32 GMT -5
This is fantastic! I've got pretty much every significant Avengers appearance in any comic prior to 1990, but I've never even heard of this. Probably because it's no longer in continuity. I'll have to track this down. No sooner said than done. I picked this up for a buck on ebay; $5 after shipping. The cover is, indeed, fantastic. The rest of the story pretty much sucks. Then again, I can't stand the Hulk, so I am a bit biased. It's about 35 pages of Hulk and Avengers punching aliens and each other. It's by Doug Moench, who is very hit or miss for me, and this is a gigantic miss. Worth having for the nice cover, but that's about all.
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Post by hunterrose on Jul 1, 2008 19:16:23 GMT -5
hey dlw66, that was a good find on iron man 114. i forgot all about that.
ironman 115 is one of the 1st books i remember buying( this would make me 8 yrs. old at the time)
there's a thread about what your 1st comic was, i forgot about that till i saw your cover.
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Post by Dr. Hank Pym on Jul 1, 2008 19:43:39 GMT -5
Here's one! I bought it today, and I am SO annoyed! They didn't have the one after it, so I'm stuck on a cliffhanger. If I had known that the issue after it was re-printed in Marvel Tales 194, I would've looked in that bin too! Argh! Oh well, maybe next time. And here's the evil second parter which will fall in my grasp soon enough!
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