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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 27, 2007 21:17:57 GMT -5
FINALLY!
after all the crap to get back to some real Avengers story telling.
I don't car if absolutely nobody else liked this story
I LOVED IT!!!!
It had more of an Avengers feel than anything in a long time. I really think the way the Avengers felt waking up from the spell they were under was meant to be an analogy for how we felt about the absolute garbage we had foisted on us prior.
Halleluah!
Amen
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Post by uberwolf on Apr 27, 2007 21:29:05 GMT -5
My favorite panel was when they announced the new line up and Hawkeye is just smirking away saying... " ...and the crowd goes wild." The Avengers were back.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 27, 2007 21:54:10 GMT -5
that's issue 4 but it's just as good.
I love Vance jumping up in the back of the group like a crazy man. Also all tha Avengers getting antsy because Cap won't "say it"
This is fun fun fun fun Avengers reading. I can't tell you how happy this makes me. I seriously had to take a 3 day break from reading after going though all that last crap. I picked back up apprehensively and man I'm so happy
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 28, 2007 0:22:47 GMT -5
Those days absolutely rocked...!!! Especially when compared to these brave NEW days...
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 28, 2007 8:44:24 GMT -5
It was a time of rejuvenation for the team (and it's readers!). The first story arc was fun.
HOWEVER, I found Justice and Firestar to be only slightly less annoying than Rage...
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 28, 2007 14:26:48 GMT -5
Sorry DLW gotta disagree about firestar. If they made an Avenger team of all redheads,... you wouldn't have to worry about storylines for me.
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Post by Crimson Cowl on Apr 28, 2007 15:16:50 GMT -5
The Busiek/Perez era was easily the best run for a very long time previously. They did a great deal to try and fix some of the big messes of the preceding periods. I did feel that it lacked depth in the characterizations though and the characters often feel like ciphers. Even the Ms Marvel/Warbird story, whilst making perfect sense in the context of the character's history was a bit by the numbers and handled in a rather trite manner. There's a feeling that the comics just retread a bit of nostalgia rather than being really great new stories. In some respects this was just what Avengers needed at the time though. There's an article on this site that made me laugh as it contrasts Busiek with Byrne as writers. Actually Busiek's writing makes me think of an old letter to the FF letters page. Someone wrote in saying that Byrne's real strength wasn't that he was a great writer, rather that he was a comics fan and knew what comics fans want to see. I tend to view both Busiek and Byrne in this light and think they're quite similar in this respect. As I've mentioned elsewhere I had some problems with Perez's highly dubious portrayal of the Scarlet Witch and the lack of depth really did put one in mind of DC style storytelling.
Criticisms acknowledged this is one of the better periods of Avengers mags and a massive improvement, but failed to rock my world in the way that the author's Avengers Forever did.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 28, 2007 15:18:07 GMT -5
Also, I've heard a couple of people giving Vance a hard time. Let me ask you a question. Let's say it was real life and you have always always always wanted to be an Avenger. You finally get a chance, and you're young. Wouldn't you be tempted to act like he does?
I would probably be so excited all the time it wouldn't be funny.
Then you guys would be saying "boy I really hated when they had nutcase on the team, he was a useless Avenger."
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Post by Crimson Cowl on Apr 28, 2007 15:30:21 GMT -5
Oh yeah, and I agree about Justice and Firestar. Justice was plain crap and although I like Firestar as a character she wasn't suitable Avegers material.
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 28, 2007 19:28:37 GMT -5
Criticisms acknowledged this is one of the better periods of Avengers mags and a massive improvement, but failed to rock my world in the way that the author's Avengers Forever did. Agreed  ! "boy I really hated when they had nutcase on the team, he was a useless Avenger." Hmmm...  |
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Post by redstatecap on Apr 29, 2007 1:19:02 GMT -5
Justice was annoying as hell, but Firestar I liked a lot as an Avenger. I'd love to see her on the team again at some point in the distant future.
Busiek/Perez did a lot of good things in V3, but their "ethnic" characters were silly stereotypes of that ethnicity. Scarlet acquired a trunkload of bangles. Likewise, Silverclaw looked like a refugee from a touristy Indian jewely store. And Triathlon was "Angry Black Man."
RSC
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 29, 2007 3:48:02 GMT -5
Sorry DLW gotta disagree about firestar. If they made an Avenger team of all redheads,... you wouldn't have to worry about storylines for me. Hmmm... lets see... that would be Starfox, Demolition Man, Tigra, Firestar, the Black Widow, the Scarlet Witch (sometimes) & Crystal (sometimes, too). The NEW recruit could be Daredevil, that way we conform with Bendis' stipulation of keeping former partners together in the Avengers... Oh, and Henry Gyrich would be the government liason... Could be called "Avengers: Code Red"...  |
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 30, 2007 14:17:34 GMT -5
I like that... The name, that is. Dennis Dunphy doesn't do anything for me except ruin the nostalgia of the original Daredevil suit. |
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 30, 2007 14:30:37 GMT -5
It's like D-Man and Amesiac Namor could make a super-team.
I love the scene in Avengers where all the Avengers are sitting in that auditorium and no-one is sitting anywhere around Dman.
Poor Dennis
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 30, 2007 16:14:52 GMT -5
Stop making me nostalgic for the good (not so) old days or I'll toilet paper your house, Nutcase...!!! and it won't be good quality, soft tissued tp either...!
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 30, 2007 17:32:12 GMT -5
I like that... The name, that is. Dennis Dunphy doesn't do anything for me except ruin the nostalgia of the original Daredevil suit. See, I kinda liked D-Man as a character; his schtick as champion & defender of the downthrotten... I hated (surprise, surprise...) what Bendis did to him: becoming delusional, stealing stores & being institutionalized... |
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Post by Engage on May 5, 2007 12:55:35 GMT -5
I just recently got to volume three in the DVD and I know exactly what you mean. I can't believe that it literally took three issues to fix the Avengers after about five years of unreadable comics.
The gypsy Scarlet Witch costume is my favourite of them all, actually. It makes the most sense to me because of her 40+ year history of never shutting up about Transia.
I liked the return of the Vision's secret identity that has the same silhouette as when he's the Vision.
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Post by dlw66 on May 5, 2007 17:21:47 GMT -5
Perez's attempts at individual looks/personalities for each character was one of the high points of this very good run.
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