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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 24, 2007 5:45:03 GMT -5
I've just finishe this run in Avengers.
I can't do a review on it because I have no idea what in hades it was about.
all I can say is Wha?!?!
someone attempt to clarify my shattered mind.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 24, 2007 6:11:45 GMT -5
it doesn't get any better afterwards either.
Did someone just stop caring that one story needs to pick up where the other leaves off? I've never read this stuff before but nothing is making any sense.
Maybe I've been playing crazy for so long it's finally starting to take hold.
I've been trying to not be so negative but this stuff at the end of volume 1 is crap.
I'm about to get into the Onslaught issues. I hope they make sense.
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Post by perceval on Apr 24, 2007 6:54:20 GMT -5
Oh, things are going to be bad. Really bad. Two words: "Heroes Reborn".
Busiek and Perez had years worth of damage to fix during their run.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 24, 2007 7:31:11 GMT -5
I' actually 5 issues into heroes reborn. I'll tell you what. If this was the first time I had ever picked up comic books, I don't think the stories would be all that bad for me. I'm trying to read them from a mindset of reading a different title. All in all they're not terrible, but after what happened in the last 16 issues of Avengers I still have this awful taste in my mouth.
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 24, 2007 9:09:46 GMT -5
Avengers in that period was becoming as convoluted as the X-Men and Amazing Spider-Man had become for me only a few years earlier. Marvel at this point had forgotten how to tell good, straightforward super-hero stories. Instead, there seemed to be a character explosion coupled with these incredibly confusing (ie poorly plotted) stories that went on seemingly forever. Characters were changed regularly (ie Vision) and there was an abnormal flux to the Avengers membership.
The best thing about Vol. I coming to a close was that the waspy Wasp was done away with for later incarnations of the team.
In regard to Heroes Reborn -- how wrong was that in comparison to how right the Ultimates is??? Still a strong, revenue-stream creative team with Ultimates (as was the goal with Liefeld at the time) but what a better presentation!!
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 24, 2007 9:19:35 GMT -5
Now I understand something a little better than I did before.
I always wondered why all the older guys like myself are so disgusted with things as they are right now. You guys didn't seem to like a lot of the new stuff and I like some of it. I couldn't see what the difference was.
Now I know. When you read the Avengers atraigh through, like I've been doing (just about finished with reborn) you see what happened.
The last part of the series ie disgusting, it felt like getting flushed down a toilet. Every time I went to the next issue, here's a character who wasn't there before, and a character who was there is now gone. Huh. So for the people who've been in it for a long time, another change comes up thee is bound to be a level of apprehension and skepticism.
I am still noy believing what they did to Avengers there.
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 24, 2007 9:22:10 GMT -5
And as I've said many times, our young bucks around here simply cannot appreciate that because they didn't live it. Again, beating the dead horse: their Marvel isn't my Marvel. My Marvel passed on some time ago. Every now and again I'll see a ghost of it, but it's fleeting...
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 24, 2007 9:24:52 GMT -5
I wonder how many of Marvel's defenders on here read through the entire volume 1 just to see what happened at the end.
I wonder if it would make a difference to the apologists.
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Post by Bored Yesterday on Apr 25, 2007 11:22:57 GMT -5
I was confused with the Crossing too. It just didn't make any sense. People were snarling at each other and flexing their muscles, and seemed like there was a lot of yelling and lights flashing -- but I have no idea what happened either. Onslaught was a huge imporvement for the final issue or 2 of volume I. But overall, Volume I had such an unfitting conclusion. Very unfortunate.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 25, 2007 16:56:11 GMT -5
The Crossing was, for me, the 2nd worst storyline/crossover involving the Avengers, the 3rd being Heroes Reborn & the 1st (surprise, surprise...) CW, with which I lump together Disassembled & HoM, as to me all 3 of those recent events shared a common purpose & direction...
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 25, 2007 17:07:17 GMT -5
But, speaking of the end of Vol I, I enjoyed the last storyline before they inmersed themselves in what would be the Onslaught final chapter: not only did it involve Loki once more trying to undo what he brought about on issue #1 (and thus, for me, kinda bringing the whole thing full circle...) but "guest appearances" (sorta...) of a veritable army of Avengers enemies throughout the years and, as a plus, Jarvis played a central, vital role in defeating the God of Mischief... To my mind, it's more or less comparable to the end of the Beatles situation: "Abbey Road" came 1st, but it actually would have been a better, more fitting ending to their career together, which nonetheless chronologically ended with "Let it Be"...
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Post by Bored Yesterday on Apr 25, 2007 21:39:52 GMT -5
Whatever man, the Crossing still sucked. ;D
No, I'm just kiddin. I feel ya. I just hope they don't pull a Bendis/Leifeld "Beatles Reborn" 12 disc box set anthology behind schedule limited series pay per view official bootleg straight to video under the table in the big time under the big top limited time only collectors edition.
I kind of liked the return of Loki at the end myself.
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