Ultron
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"Die, Humans!"
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Post by Ultron on Sept 7, 2006 23:58:52 GMT -5
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Post by redstatecap on Sept 8, 2006 0:33:28 GMT -5
I'm calling this right now.
Bendis will go out of his way to write a fight per issue -- regardless of whether it makes sense or not, or whether there is any story behind it to justify it.
He will write "a fight an issue" and thus he will claim to be writing a "classic" Avengers book.
How condescending. How Bendis.
This tactic will be augmented by a very healthy dose of T&A (focussing on Ms. Marvel, a perennial Avengers favorite) courtesy of Frank Cho. This will be another diversionary tactic to distract readers from the fact that there isn't anything going on story-wise.
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Post by imperiusrex on Sept 8, 2006 1:28:23 GMT -5
um, well, I have low expectations...why? well it's like you see, well... WONDER MAN CAN FREAKING FLY! HE TURNS PURPLE WITH KIRBY DOTS AND HE CAN FLY! WHY IS SENTRY CARRYING HIM?  Either something happens during Civil War or Bendis just decided this looked cooler. I'm betting on the latter and since that just seems ridiculous to have to deal with right from the first page- that he doesn't do what makes sense-I'll have to make sense and not buy the bloody thing until the editors start earning their paychecks... |
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Ultron
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"Die, Humans!"
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Post by Ultron on Sept 8, 2006 4:10:13 GMT -5
Btw, for thos who missed it, on the link there's full 6 pages of preview.
Yeah, i'm not excited either, i agree with redstate, BENDIS! is now a full blown personality cult thing, the books and the characters exist now to serve him and his ego, not the other way around.
It's as if he's trying to shove as much stuff on his CV as possible. Too bad he does it by misswriting pretty much everything.
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Post by dlw66 on Sept 8, 2006 7:47:43 GMT -5
Those who called the Sentry as the last member were correct...
I just went to Ultron's link and read the whole six pages, and as typical it took about six seconds. Can't really see how this is going to be any different than NA. Same stupid dialogue, same old same old everything. And Cho's art is serviceable, but not much to my liking. And hey, did you notice that in the preview Sentry does one thing and gets his butt chewed for it -- no wonder he's always on the sidelines. But wait, judging by these pages maybe that will be Ares job now...
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Post by redstatecap on Sept 8, 2006 10:57:31 GMT -5
Actually my post above was before I noticed that there were 6 preview pages.
There's the throwaway fight.
Also noticed two things about the splash page:
1) Since when can Simon not fly?
2) Since when can the Black Widow fly? Or at least jump out of a hovering jet several stories up?
And the art -- despite being something of a Cho fan, I'm not sure his art is that suited to the superhero genre. Maybe with some more practice...
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Post by bobc on Sept 8, 2006 14:42:36 GMT -5
yeah and somebody needs to remind the Wasp that she's worked with these people, most of them, for thrity to forty years so what is this crap about training.
Sigh. The idiocy barely warrants a comment at this point.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Sept 8, 2006 19:17:01 GMT -5
And since when do Avengers carry guns...? Why not the Punisher, then...?
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Post by Doctor Doom on Sept 9, 2006 6:47:44 GMT -5
Well. If this is anything to judge by, the naysayers are right. We have what COULD be called a real Avengers team. Luckily, they are all acting completely out of character and seem to have selective memory loss, so that we aren't overwhelmed by having a real team and having them ACT like a real team at the same time. My most heartfelt apologies to all those with whom I debated that this might be great again. Well Wasp, you've only worked with pretty much everyone there except Sentry and Ares before, so 'how you work together' seems a little odd. Hang on- is there a REASON Ares is suddenly part of the team? Why on Earth would anyone forming the Avengers put the freaking SENTRY on the team but NOT. THOR.!!!!! ?? You know what's funny? More happened in those pages than in many whole issues of New Avengers. Once again, I apologize to those I debated with. It appears that rather than continuing his excellent work on USM and powers, and his REPORTEDLY excellent work on Daredevil, or even his 'serviceable' House of M work, he has decided to carry his mediocre NA work. |
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Post by redstatecap on Sept 9, 2006 7:23:24 GMT -5
Heh! I really do expect Bendis to pay lip service to certain criticisms, like amping up the action level a lot. That said, a very few pages is also enough to convince me that he's going to butcher the characterizations badly.
And regardless, what he and Marvel cannot seem to fathom is that he's p*ssed off people to the extent that they simply aren't going to cut him any more slack. Marvel can have my business again when Bendis is gone.
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Post by dlw66 on Sept 9, 2006 9:17:26 GMT -5
I just didn't feel like "the feel" I got from those pages was any different from NA. Some different characters, same crap.
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Ultron
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"Die, Humans!"
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Post by Ultron on Sept 9, 2006 10:41:11 GMT -5
You know what's funny? More happened in those pages than in many whole issues of New Avengers. Once again, I apologize to those I debated with. It appears that rather than continuing his excellent work on USM and powers, and his REPORTEDLY excellent work on Daredevil, or even his 'serviceable' House of M work, he has decided to carry his mediocre NA work. We end up agreeing i guess then. Because his stuff on USM is nice, and his Powers was good (when on Image), i actually read several arcs of his Daredevil tenure; but his Avengers stuff is just trainwreck material. I can't even explain it in any other way that he just can't do it. I wonder if his going into it was in any way a competitive spat with Mark Millar, since he was sucessful with Ultimates, an in the same vein i wonder if Civil War isn't Mark Millar trying a go at crossovers wasn't inspired by BENDIS!'s HOM crossovers. Whatever the reasons, seems to me that BENDIS! bit more than he could chew. |
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Post by Doctor Doom on Sept 10, 2006 4:32:04 GMT -5
You know what's funny? More happened in those pages than in many whole issues of New Avengers. Once again, I apologize to those I debated with. It appears that rather than continuing his excellent work on USM and powers, and his REPORTEDLY excellent work on Daredevil, or even his 'serviceable' House of M work, he has decided to carry his mediocre NA work. We end up agreeing i guess then. Hmmm. A very odd and unusual occurence.  Good question. Of course, Mark Millar is a far better writer than Bendis even when Bendis is on USM or Powers. (Well.... except ONE Millar story which was absoloutely hideous. But other than that.) Just out of interest, who would be the 'dream' writer for most people here on Avengers? (Excluding Busiek and those who are at DC exclusively.) |
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Post by dlw66 on Sept 10, 2006 13:49:30 GMT -5
I am certainly of the opinion along with other posters here to give Joe Casey a try. He loves the team, respects the history...
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Post by Doctor Bong on Sept 10, 2006 15:14:16 GMT -5
Well, sure, the Black Widow doesn't fly but, for that matter, Olympian gods don't either (Eternals do), so Ares should be on the same boat... And speaking of Ares, is he trying to over-compensate for some personal shortcomings with that sword, or something...?
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Post by Doctor Bong on Sept 10, 2006 15:36:08 GMT -5
Well, let's do the team player by player:
1) Iron Man, the way he's depicted here, I could take or leave... I haven't noticed any significant deviations from characterization.
2) The Wasp, as many of you have mentioned, seems out of character, saying things she wouldn't say.
3) Ms. Marvel seems to have taken over the role of field leader, in spite of at least 3 other characters who would have seem a more logical choice; now THAT could be interesting...
4) Wonder Man apparently has been depowered back to his "classical" levels, I don't know, some of you might desagree out of nostalgia, but to me it just seems to be one of those patented Bendis terrible ideas...
5) The Black Widow sports a freakin' gun... I don't recall her ever doing that WHILE with the Avengers, as those pesky do-gooders hold an annoying & naive view about killing... but of course, Bendis, being the longtime reader & admirer of the Avengers that he is, should know this... In fact, I don't recall any Avengers carrying guns ever, well, with the exception of War Machine's brief stint with the West Coasters, but then, they were mounted on his armor..
6) The Sentry... of course, a cheap rip-off but, you know what...? I wouldn't honestly care about how derivative his powers are IF he was an interesting, compelling character, but I think I can safely assume I'm in the majority on this subject: he's just not...!!! Which is a shame, considering all the "air time" Bendis has given him.
7) And, last but not... ahhh... who am I kidding....? LAST AS WELL AS LEAST, Ares... well, in my opinion, he's the worst rookie Avenger since Ronin. Of course, it took Bendis to top Bendis...
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Post by dlw66 on Sept 10, 2006 19:15:35 GMT -5
Of course, it took Bendis to top Bendis... Amen, brother. At least there aren't more like him running around screwing up other books. |
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Post by balok on Sept 10, 2006 21:35:17 GMT -5
Eh. It doesn't do anything for me. Nothing about it grabs me and shrieks "buy me" in my ear.
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Post by Shiryu on Sept 13, 2006 14:09:10 GMT -5
Hmm, disappointing, but I'll try to highlight the positive side of those pics: at least they fight !
Perhaps we are going to have a more "active" and eventful book (we can always hope I guess...)
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jkemble
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Post by jkemble on Nov 10, 2006 14:23:10 GMT -5
hmmmm, not what I wanted to see either, too many leader types: Iron Man, Black Widow, Ms. Marvel, Wasp, and a lot of muscle: Iron Man, Wonder Man, Sentry, Ms. Marvel and Ares?
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BigDuke
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Post by BigDuke on Nov 10, 2006 16:35:11 GMT -5
Perhaps these characters are beemed into space by Sentry because of their role in starting or perpetuating the Civil War, or for duping him/convinving him to take part on the Pro-Reg Side. They are lost on the other side of the galaxy and must fight their way back to earth to earn the right to return home. Of course he includes himself since he allowed himself to be duped and there might be lots of opportunities to be afraid of the void along the way.
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