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Post by dlw66 on Aug 11, 2006 20:26:34 GMT -5
Tell me you were in the KISS Army...
When I was but a waif of 12 years, my mother allowed me (horrors!!!) to go with a friend and his mom to the Chicago Stadium to see KISS. I haven't been the same since.
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Post by dlw66 on Sept 8, 2006 10:19:16 GMT -5
Question: In at least three issues of FF between issues 90 and 120, the Thing is shown using "super breath" as a weapon, a la Superman. I was unaware of this power, and don't recall it being used much past the early 1970's.
Also, in FF #119, the Black Panther refers to himself as the "Black Leopard". He tells the Torch that he doesn't want the political affiliation that would come with his usual name, given the black militant groups operating in the US at the time (1972). Interesting...
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Post by bobc on Sept 8, 2006 14:47:39 GMT -5
Yup. The term Black Leopard tag lasted exactly two issues of the FF, but T'Challa was never referred to as anything other than the Black Panther in the pages of the Avengers. In one issue--I think it was 112, Hawkeye asked BP if he'd changed his name, and BP said he decided to keep it Black Panther--since changing it made as much sense as Wanda not calling herself a witch because witches were generally thought of as ugly.
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Post by dlw66 on Sept 9, 2006 11:02:51 GMT -5
See bob, that's why you can't take these extended vactions from the boards: you are a trivia-trove of Marvel lore from my childhood. You keep me lazy -- I never have to get off my butt to look something up. You just have the answer!!
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Post by Engage on Sept 9, 2006 17:04:55 GMT -5
Question: In at least three issues of FF between issues 90 and 120, the Thing is shown using "super breath" as a weapon, a la Superman. I was unaware of this power, and don't recall it being used much past the early 1970's. It shows up every now and then. The Thing has big lungs so every now and then he blows someone away. Sort of like when he does a Hulk thunderclap. Its one of those weird alternate things most heroes seem to be able to do, ala Namor's power to absorb and release electricity.
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Post by sharkar on Sept 9, 2006 21:49:10 GMT -5
Yup. The term Black Leopard tag lasted exactly two issues of the FF, but T'Challa was never referred to as anything other than the Black Panther in the pages of the Avengers. In one issue--I think it was 112, Hawkeye asked BP if he'd changed his name, and BP said he decided to keep it Black Panther--since changing it made as much sense as Wanda not calling herself a witch because witches were generally thought of as ugly. I remember the exchange you refer to. I think T'Challa's explanation occurred during the Avengers foray into the Savage Land (when they were searching for Pietro), in Avengers 105 - - a notable issue because with 105, the writing reins were handed over to Steve Englehart (Roy Thomas had written every issue since #35). Roy took over the book's editing. Also, #105 stood out because it was illustrated by John Buscema (who'd been away from the Avengers for a while), pinch-hitting for then-regular artist Rich Buckler.
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Post by Shiryu on Sept 13, 2006 14:04:17 GMT -5
Question: In at least three issues of FF between issues 90 and 120, the Thing is shown using "super breath" as a weapon, a la Superman. I was unaware of this power, and don't recall it being used much past the early 1970's. It shows up every now and then. The Thing has big lungs so every now and then he blows someone away. Sort of like when he does a Hulk thunderclap. Its one of those weird alternate things most heroes seem to be able to do, ala Namor's power to absorb and release electricity. Interesting, I wasn't aware of either of this. But unless I'm mistaken, the Thing's chest doesn't expand and contract with breathing because his muscles of respiration are, well, "rocky". Therefore he should struggle to push the air out like that... Oh well, it's a comic ;D
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Post by dlw66 on Sept 16, 2006 23:25:33 GMT -5
Here's a two-issue idea for you to ponder: In FF #'s 125-126, John Buscema drew Johnny's hair when he was in his Torch form. I'd never seen it before, and don't recall that I've ever seen him drawn that way since.
So, can anyone think of a similar situation -- costume change (not including the Wasp), art style, etc. that seemed to be on a "try-out" basis and faded as quickly as it came?
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Post by Tana Nile on Sept 17, 2006 12:31:52 GMT -5
There was that awful costume Hawkeye wore right after the Kree-Skrull war. That was issue 98-108, so about 10 issues, might be a little longer than what you're talking about.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Sept 17, 2006 15:09:33 GMT -5
Yeah, wearing such outfit he looked like a stripper, and one from a cheap joint, at that!
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Post by Bored Yesterday on Sept 17, 2006 18:22:48 GMT -5
I remember the conversatio between Hawkeye and Black Panther about a name change, the one bobc mentions. When I read it, it didn't make any sense to me, but now that you all have explained it, I feel wiser.
I think of Hawkeye's costume as his "cupid outift." He should have little wings on the shoulders.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Sept 17, 2006 18:29:40 GMT -5
What boredyesterday wrote made me remember that Hawkeye, in point of fact, actually met Cupid, along with the rest of the West Coast Avengers, in a story that appeared in one of those thick books Marvel used to have.... It was called "Marvel Superheroes", or some other similar title... Has anybody here read it...? It's a story which always manages to put a smile on my face, whenever I reread it.
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Post by dlw66 on Sept 17, 2006 22:38:22 GMT -5
Yeah, Hawk's costume that you refer to was terrible! How long did the "superhero" Dr. Strange last? He wore a black mask and was featured in Avengers #61.
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Post by Shiryu on Sept 19, 2006 16:35:55 GMT -5
I think he still uses that variant of his costume sometimes. Can't remember when I last saw it though
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Post by bobc on Sept 19, 2006 17:14:56 GMT -5
Doctor Strange only wore that mask for a couple of issues. If I recall correctly Marvel was trying to make him look more mysterious but fans didn't like the new look.
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Post by dlw66 on Sept 19, 2006 20:40:58 GMT -5
WHAT DID YOU SAY??? Fans didn't like something and the company responded??? Man, those were the days...
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Post by Doctor Bong on Sept 19, 2006 22:48:07 GMT -5
Yeah, dlw66, what a a flabbergasting concept, eh....? The fools...!!! (Insert maniacal laughter here...).
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Post by dlw66 on Sept 19, 2006 22:56:19 GMT -5
And, one might actually believe that back in the day a change could be made, see actual print, and the creators say "Nah, that didn't look or sound like I thought it would -- let's change it back." Today's creators are often too full of themselves to admit a mistake, bad plotline (I mean seriously, who thought, once they were into it, that the whole second Spider-Clone story was actually an improvement to the Spider-Man mythos? ), or whatever. They just keep driving with the blinders on.
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Post by dlw66 on Sept 14, 2007 10:23:17 GMT -5
I wanted to get this topic back on the main page with this question:
I posted in the Silver Age Artists thread that I've recently purchased the Marvel Visionaries hardcovers with the work of John Buscema, John Romita, Sr., and Roy Thomas. As I've read the Buscema book and am now starting on the Thomas volume, this occurs to me -- it is relatively easy to see the evolution of an artist's skills over a long period of time. But, what is your opinion about the possibility of discerning the same changes for a writer? Do you, or have you noticed anything in particular from a given scribe over the past however-long?
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Post by Tana Nile on Mar 14, 2008 17:44:25 GMT -5
It shows up every now and then. The Thing has big lungs so every now and then he blows someone away. Sort of like when he does a Hulk thunderclap. Its one of those weird alternate things most heroes seem to be able to do, ala Namor's power to absorb and release electricity. Interesting, I wasn't aware of either of this. But unless I'm mistaken, the Thing's chest doesn't expand and contract with breathing because his muscles of respiration are, well, "rocky". Therefore he should struggle to push the air out like that... Oh well, it's a comic ;D I was just perusing some old threads, and this exchange made me wonder: why can't the Thing jump like the Hulk? he's got powerful leg muscles too! For that matter, shouldn't Thor, or Hercules, or Wonder Man be able to leap miles? What, does the Hulk hold a patent on it or something?
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Post by ultron69 on May 6, 2009 13:14:50 GMT -5
Interesting observations. I read Essential vol 1 last year and remember some of the points you mention. Wasp is one of my favorite Avengers but did not come off well early on, in the sexist 60's. She was more concerned witrh her hair, or ogling some hot guy, than in fighting crime. Interesting that when she and Hank rejoined, around #150, she was the one that wanted to play superhero again, not him. I was a little glad when Cap got over the Bucky thing. It was a good bit of characterization, but perhaps a bit overplayed.
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Post by bobc on May 6, 2009 13:29:09 GMT -5
Remember when the Wasp had what amounted to a safety pin on her wrist for a weapon? She tried to sting the Sub-mariner and all she got out of it was a bent stinger! Hee hee--that was awesome! I posted this a few years ago but it bears repeating: the Wasp's powers were vastly improved by Byrne (I think it was him) in Marvel Team-up in the 80's. Her stings were now bio-energy which could blow a hole in a wall, she could fly faster than a computer could keep up with, she could vary her size (rather than just shrinking to insect-size), and she became far stronger the smaller she shrank. She could bend a metal bar with her bare hands!
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Post by ultron69 on May 6, 2009 14:58:28 GMT -5
She also mentioned increased stinging powers somewhere around Avengers #170, and I think that the editors note referenced another comic where that first took place, which one I don't remember. This was during the Shooter era, I think. I'm not generally in favor of "powering up" characters, but I'm glad they did it for Jan. She needed it.
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