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Post by redstatecap on Jul 21, 2006 1:27:54 GMT -5
Many Avengers fans have been praying for months that the Avengers book would be taken away from Mr. Bendis. Well, that was probably not going to happen, but failing that, we hoped to be given a book outside of Mr. Bendis' purview that we could get behind.
Today comes the news that not only will Mr. Bendis continue to write New Avengers, but worse yet, the awaited second title, "The Mightly Avengers," will also be given to Mr. Bendis.
I confess I read this news with some incredulity. I expected -- like many Avengers fans who could no longer tolerate Mr. Bendis' product -- that the disenfranchised fraction of Avengers fans would be thrown a sop at the least. Quite frankly I feel that this is a slap in the face, so to speak. I'll take my business elsewhere for the forseeable future.
RSC
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Post by Yellowjacket on Jul 21, 2006 3:15:57 GMT -5
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Post by bobc on Jul 24, 2006 11:37:00 GMT -5
I will take my business elsewhere as well. It's pretty obvious Marvel doesn't give a d**n about us traditional fans despite the fact that many of us have spent tens of thousands of dollars on their comics. I'll still buy Miller's tuff but nothing else.
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Post by thew40 on Jul 24, 2006 12:49:33 GMT -5
Remember guys, we don't know anymore about this book yet. I'd say at least wait until we have more info before making such harsh judgements.
~W~
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Post by redstatecap on Jul 24, 2006 13:26:51 GMT -5
Remember guys, we don't know anymore about this book yet. I'd say at least wait until we have more info before making such harsh judgements. ~W~ Well, I think the idea that you propose -- that the segment of fans in question should "give the new book a chance" is an illustration of the problem at Marvel. Marvel (and Bendis fans) think that the rest of the fans should be willing to "give Bendis another chance." Well, after the debacle that was Avengers Dissassembled, that second chance was "New Avengers." I gave Mr. Bendis and New Avengers 15 issues before coming to the realization that absolutely nothing was going to change -- ever. He's done a stunningly poor job in writing the team and an even worse job writing characters like Captain America. There will not be a third chance. I honestly believe that Marvel does not appeciate that opinions on Mr. Bendis have hardened to the point where a substantial portion of Avengers fans would not buy ANY product of his that touched on the Avengers. Marvel editorial also seems to have a sick sense of humor that derives some enjoyment from throwing the whole thing back in the paying fans' faces. And then there is Mr. Bendis' own personality. He is currently calling most of the shots at Marvel, and he has repeatedly come across as a "my way or the highway" type who at times seems almost proud to be alienating fans. I think it's probably some of each, since Marvel could hardly be unaware of the discontent surrounding Mr. Bendis' tenure. The most unfortunate fact is (as someone perceptively pointed out on another board) that for Marvel and Bendis this will be portrayed as a win-win situation. In other words, if Bendis' "Classic-style" title fails, Marvel will claim that "see, we were right all along and the old-type Avengers don't have the fan support to be viable." And if Bendis' "Classic-style" title succeeds, then Marvel will say "Ha! You malcontents bought it anyways despite your bitching!" They will pointedly ignore that a substantial percentage of the Avengers fanbase will probably be sitting this book out. Thanks to the decision by Marvel to give Bendis a second Avengers title, it will be a very, very long time before I buy another Avengers comic. RSC |
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Post by bobc on Jul 24, 2006 13:49:20 GMT -5
I don't "have to do" anything. I am not going to put one more dime in Bendis' pocket. Giving that guy a license to murder the Avengers a second time is not something I want to be a part of.
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Ultron
Reservist Avenger
"Die, Humans!"
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Post by Ultron on Jul 25, 2006 8:48:06 GMT -5
Yeah, i like it how we went from "the costumer's always right", to, keep trying crap, until the product manufacturer gets it right, if ever.
Yeah, right. M****'s not getting my money. They don't want me as their costumer, they won't have me. I'm not a beaten wife that here to be abused at will.
I doubt i'll buy anything until Joe Q and BENDIS! get fired, they've shown to be thoroughly incompetent; beyond belief.
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Post by bobc on Jul 25, 2006 9:17:46 GMT -5
Ultron it seemed like Joe Q was a great editor in the late 90's and early 2000's, but it seems like about three years ago everything went straight to hell. I go to the comic store and can't find anything to buy these days. It's really frikkin sad.
I remember around 1999 or so bragging to friends that Marvel was in a renaissance with Perez's Avengers, the beginning of the Ultimates, Inhumans, the beginning of Priest's run on Black Panther, Alias and other books. But suddenly BOOM nothing but mediocre, half-baked nothingness
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Post by dlw66 on Jul 25, 2006 9:38:59 GMT -5
I think a lot of this has to do with the pressure DC has been putting on Marvel. DC has had numerous "events" that have garnered some serious public attention. As DC tends to hold properties that are more well-known (at least in the American pop-culture consciousness), Marvel has had to step up the "major" storylines, etc. Now with DC back in the summer blockbuster movie business, we'll see how this competition continues to evolve.
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Post by bobc on Jul 25, 2006 11:49:56 GMT -5
I'm disappointed that Black Knight isn't here to join the ranting and raving. He is really slipping...
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Post by Black Knight on Jul 25, 2006 11:55:50 GMT -5
I am here. I just find it foolish, and a bad business choice. My opinion.
Of course Bendis has replaced wolverine as the most overused person in marvel. LOL
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Ultron
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"Die, Humans!"
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Post by Ultron on Jul 25, 2006 14:46:47 GMT -5
Ultron it seemed like Joe Q was a great editor in the late 90's and early 2000's, but it seems like about three years ago everything went straight to hell. I go to the comic store and can't find anything to buy these days. It's really frikkin sad. I remember around 1999 or so bragging to friends that Marvel was in a renaissance with Perez's Avengers, the beginning of the Ultimates, Inhumans, the beginning of Priest's run on Black Panther, Alias and other books. But suddenly BOOM nothing but mediocre, half-baked nothingness When Bill Jemas left?  |
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Post by bobc on Jul 25, 2006 15:41:11 GMT -5
I don't know who that is.
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Post by asgardian on Jul 25, 2006 23:38:43 GMT -5
Ultron it seemed like Joe Q was a great editor in the late 90's and early 2000's, but it seems like about three years ago everything went straight to hell. I go to the comic store and can't find anything to buy these days. It's really frikkin sad. I remember around 1999 or so bragging to friends that Marvel was in a renaissance with Perez's Avengers, the beginning of the Ultimates, Inhumans, the beginning of Priest's run on Black Panther, Alias and other books. But suddenly BOOM nothing but mediocre, half-baked nothingness Yes...frustrating when this happens, isn't it? I put it down to poor leadership from the Editor-In-Chief. The "I know best" attitude has undone more than a few bodies at Marvel. As to the new title, I don't see it as a cause for celebration. Bendis is simply using a mace as opposed to an axe on this book. The end result is the same. |
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Post by balok on Aug 3, 2006 17:03:18 GMT -5
Disappointing news, if it's true (and I have no reason to believe it isn't). Either Quesada was taking credit for someone else's quality and that person has departed, or he was the real deal and something changed. He was a lot better than Harras when he got started, but now he's losing it.
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Post by bobc on Aug 3, 2006 17:49:22 GMT -5
The version of the story I got, from someone who would certainly know, was that some people at Marvel felt that the creaters had gotten "a little too creative" around the turn of the millenium with titles like X-Static, Earth X, Alias, Runaways and other such titles. What's happening now is an attempt to reign things in. I happened to have loved that creative spurt a few years back and wish they were still on that bent.
I guess it's the age old struggle between art and making money that artists never win. It seems like these things go in waves. Right now Marvel seems to be at low tide.
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