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Post by Bored Yesterday on May 6, 2006 20:44:18 GMT -5
What's the story on this? According to the Overstreet Guide, there is no such thing, and I have never seen one,
It's referred to in the editorial comments in issues 153 and 154, and it seems to have contained an important segment of the Serpent Crown story. At the end of 153, Living Laser has the Serpent Crown. In 154, Vision is throwing it into the ocean. Both issues refer to Giant Size Avengers Number 6. So, what happened? Does this comic book exist? Was the story published elsewhere?
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Post by dlw66 on May 6, 2006 23:10:39 GMT -5
Check out Avengers Annual #6. That book came out at the end of the giant-size run. Marvel had switched from "annuals" to the giant-size format -- some of these were published annually, but some were even quarterly. I think it gave Marvel a little more flexibility to get "extra" monthly issues out -- for example as we've discussed, the Celestial Madonna story covered not only many issues of the regular book, but three GS issues as well.
The Annual #6 has Nuklo, the Whizzer, the Living Laser, etc. I believe (I'm too lazy to walk downstairs to check right now) the art was by Perez, but don't hold me to that. For some reason Rich Buckler also sticks out in my mind. Help on that one?
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Post by asgardian on May 6, 2006 23:20:32 GMT -5
True. Actually not a good story due to inconsistencies.
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Post by Shiryu on May 7, 2006 8:05:12 GMT -5
I think that annual has been recently reprinted in a "Perez visionares" TPB. It's the story when Wonder Man fights alongside the Avengers for the first time since his resurrection.
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Post by Bored Yesterday on May 7, 2006 8:07:41 GMT -5
Hey alright! That sounds like the right story -- thansk for the tip.
This is the period when the Whizzer was Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch's father. Also, Wonder Man, freshly revived from the dead, totally kicks Sub-mariner's arse.
I guess they decided to run the story as annual 6 instead of Giant Size 6 at the last minute.
And even with some inconsistencies in the story -- I love this stuff. What I'm learning though, is that there were a lot of crossovers "back in the day," as much or more than today. The story running from issues 155 and 156 crosses over with Super-Villain Team Up.
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Post by dlw66 on May 7, 2006 14:30:09 GMT -5
Not to change your thread, but I loved Super-Villain Team-Up!
I also loved DC's Secret Society of Super-Villains. Anyone buy those in the mid-late 70's?
You're right about crossovers in the late 70's, but most of them were maybe two issues in one book and a single issue in another. There was a Daredevil/Ghost Rider crossover (by Byrne, I believe), a Spidey/Nova crossover, and I'm sure others that don't come immediately to mind.
The Avengers ROM (also on another thread) should have all of the annuals and GS...
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Post by Bored Yesterday on May 9, 2006 13:25:21 GMT -5
I'm not buying the ROM. I like the smell of old newsprint. Another thing about the crossovers -- there is no hype in 1970s. Generally, there is a little caption in the last panel of the book that tells you to go buy the next chapter in another title. There's no "Part 2 or 6" on the cover. I kind of like it, but it takes real research to compile the stories. Luckily, I already have annual 6.
I love the Grit ads. Whoever those kids are in the ads should do comic con appearances. I wonder if they really made a lot of money.
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Post by dlw66 on May 9, 2006 15:20:59 GMT -5
I can honestly say that I once saw a copy of Grit. But, as an 8-year old kid, I certainly didn't see the big deal in it. Some guys must have made a mint, though...
When I read issues 190-91 for my post on the Know the Classics thread, I did stick my nose right in the middle of the books first. Big whiff of some musty newsprint -- can't beat it! The one thing I dont' like is that the books interior colors seem to darken over time. The covers are still in great shape. I wish I could remember if the insides look different now than when I bought the book off the newstand 25+ years ago.
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Post by Yellowjacket on May 10, 2006 7:03:09 GMT -5
I think you´re right about that. It wouldn´t be that much a problem with glossy paper. But I too would not want to change it - the old paper is an essential part of the "cult" - the glossy paper only blinds...
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Post by Shiryu on May 10, 2006 8:53:37 GMT -5
I think that having both is the best thing, but we are going off topic here.
Going back to Annual 6, I double checked and I can confirm it's in the Perez Visionares tpb. Very nice story and great art by Perez.
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Post by dlw66 on May 11, 2006 12:23:59 GMT -5
I have the Perez trade. It is good, but like the FF Perez trade, there are skips in continuity due to Perez doing an issue or two, another artist filled in, and then back to Perez. The tpb loses some of its continuity.
Question on annuals/giant-sized issues: Did you like them as a bonus, a chance for a longer chapter in a story (ex. during the Celestial Madonna storyline) or do you in general prefer them as stand alone stories?
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Post by von Bek on May 11, 2006 12:34:32 GMT -5
Question on annuals/giant-sized issues: Did you like them as a bonus, a chance for a longer chapter in a story (ex. during the Celestial Madonna storyline) or do you in general prefer them as stand alone stories? I liked them as a chance the writer had to develop further the story, without having to break it into 22 pages every time (your example of The Celestial Madonna Saga is a very good one). But that was before the decompression trend. Today a GS would be 40 pages of a bunch of heroes staring at each other or something like that.. |
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Post by dlw66 on May 11, 2006 12:46:55 GMT -5
You mean like Illuminati??? Sorry, we're in the wrong forum for that topic...
Using annuals to continue a story was good, too. Ex. -- Avengers Annual #7, Marvel Two-In-One Annual #2. One story, but extra-long due to the format.
In the late 60's Marvel "hid" one of the best Green Goblin stories of all time in The Spectacular Spider-Man #2. It was the final issue of a failed (I guess) format experiment. Issue #1 was B&W but #2 was full color. I believe the story has been recently reprinted -- anyone know what I'm talking about and where? Anyway, large-format book, longer story. Good stuff.
I seem to remember another Marvel Two-In-One with the Thing and the Liberty Legion that had a crossover. Anyone remember that?
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Post by Yellowjacket on May 12, 2006 3:16:51 GMT -5
Yes, I know what you´re meaning and agree with you. This (original or volume 1 one could say) Spectacular SM series was published (gladly in the original book format) in Germany a couple of years ago (as part of the unique Amazing Spider-Man complete project).
The first (b/w) issue was mainly a reprinted story, I think. But issue 2 (colored) was a all new story and is really a great one. Some kind of treasure, I´d say. I did rate the story with maximum points, it´s that good, a real gem and presumably widley unknown.
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Post by Shiryu on May 12, 2006 7:53:36 GMT -5
I have to say, I don't like too much stories jumping from one annual to another. It makes me think they do it only to increase the sales.
For example, during the Evolutionary War, the Punisher and SpiderMan annuals were involved, but in a way that didn't make much sense (if I remember correctly, the High Evolutionary soldiers were killing drug dealers).
I'd rather have an extralong annual or a graphic novel ^^
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Post by dlw66 on May 12, 2006 8:24:04 GMT -5
I am not one for company-wide crossovers, either (Civil War...). I have always liked the Annual format, because it provided for a longer story that might or might not be directly related to present continuity. Later writers could refer to it, but didn't have to.
Avengers Annual #6 immediately follows issue #153, the return of the Whizzer. Wonder Man had returned on the last page of #151, and all of these events are of course referenced in the Annual. That is fine with me; as I said above, this was the year (1976, I believe) that Marvel switched from Giant-Size issues back to Annuals.
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Post by von Bek on May 12, 2006 8:41:40 GMT -5
Well,Idon´t like when you have to buy 8 or 9 Annuals to read the complete story (and in the end find out that some characters were "forced" into the story just to maketheir annuals sell some more copies...).
But I don´t mind one of two being used to tell a good story (like Avengers Annual 7 and MTO Annual 2).
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Post by Shiryu on May 12, 2006 9:26:33 GMT -5
Well,Idon´t like when you have to buy 8 or 9 Annuals to read the complete story (and in the end find out that some characters were "forced" into the story just to maketheir annuals sell some more copies...). But I don´t mind one of two being used to tell a good story (like Avengers Annual 7 and MTO Annual 2). Yes, that's fair enough. I also don't mind when it's 2 or more annuals on the same character (for example all the Spider Man titles, or Avengers and WCA). An annual spanning from Avengers to Eternals, Punisher, Submariner and Howard the Duck I could have more problems with  |
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Post by dlw66 on May 12, 2006 10:18:17 GMT -5
While somewhat on the subject of Annuals and George Perez, if you ever have the opportunity to check out X-Men Annual #3, where the team fights Arkon, it's a must-see for Perez fans. Perez rarely showcased his talents on the mutants, and this is a fun story.
As for other Annuals recommendations, DD Annual #1 also has a fun story, with the "Emissaries of Evil" -- Electro, Gladiator, Stilt-Man, etc. Great Gene Colan art!!
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Post by Shiryu on May 13, 2006 8:15:22 GMT -5
Sorry if I go off topic for a question, but, talking of Perez, I have been wondering: is the Perez who wrote Superman/Silver Surfer the same George Perez we know ?
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Post by asgardian on May 13, 2006 21:26:35 GMT -5
Well,Idon´t like when you have to buy 8 or 9 Annuals to read the complete story (and in the end find out that some characters were "forced" into the story just to maketheir annuals sell some more copies...). But I don´t mind one of two being used to tell a good story (like Avengers Annual 7 and MTO Annual 2). Yes, that's fair enough. I also don't mind when it's 2 or more annuals on the same character (for example all the Spider Man titles, or Avengers and WCA). An annual spanning from Avengers to Eternals, Punisher, Submariner and Howard the Duck I could have more problems with Hey, it happened in the 90's. A storyline involving an infected man who was becoming Thing-like ( John Carpenter's version) ran through Daredevil, Punisher, Hulk and finally Silver Surfer. We go from street level to power cosmic. Ridiculous. |
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Post by Shiryu on May 14, 2006 7:35:28 GMT -5
This is exactly the kind of things I wouldn't want to buy. I find it hard not to consider them a selling trick.
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Post by dlw66 on May 14, 2006 17:19:09 GMT -5
As stated earlier, huge crossover "events" were what led me to drastically scale back my comics buying many years ago (Spider-Clone saga, big X-Men events, Knightfall, etc.).
Back to Annual #6 -- very early Perez art. Looks a little like when Rich Buckler was trying to mimic Kirby on the FF...
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Post by Shiryu on May 15, 2006 7:38:28 GMT -5
It's actually quite a difference compared to what Perez did in volume 3.
I think I like his backgrounds much more in V3, but the faces were nicer in those old times.
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Post by Yellowjacket on May 16, 2006 8:41:47 GMT -5
Didn´t Quesada cancel the annuals in favor for more regular books of the series?
Didn´t hold on very long as the annuals are back again (at least with NA) and the Ultimate series have them too.
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Post by Shiryu on May 16, 2006 8:48:17 GMT -5
Yes he did, and I heard a lot of positive reactions to that decision, but it didn't last long.
I think he also tried to get rid of company wide crossovers (there haven't been many before Disassembled), but looks like he went back and thought about it again.
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