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Post by Shiryu on Apr 11, 2006 8:49:32 GMT -5
Which means Vision-Scarlet-Wonder Man What do you think of their complex releationships and in your opinion who is Scarlet best with ? Also, if you had to turn it into a square, who would you bring in ?
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Post by Yellowjacket on Apr 11, 2006 9:34:48 GMT -5
Hmm, I remember Hawk being quite attracked by Wanda, at least in the 60s? So, he would be my obvious choice.
Otherwise, I don´t know whos personality is more complex, Vision´s or Wanda´s, both had quite a few breakdowns. Whereas Simon seems to be way more a man who enjoys life, perhaps because he came back from the "dead" (twice, I think?).
All told I think Vision/Wanda was the better couple, they kind of fit each other.
And then, Wanda and Pietro had a quite heartfelt siblings relationship (back in the old days). In the Ultimates this is even (way) stronger, not to speak of possible incest?
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Post by imperiusrex on Apr 11, 2006 12:00:27 GMT -5
The fourth side of this triangle has been around for some time, yet no one has really touched on it other than Englehart. Mantis was always attracted to the Vision. Were she to actually return to earth it would complicate matters somewhat. She and Wanda never got along and their prickly relationship could easily set things askew in the mix of these characters. As for whom Wanda's better with, I've always enjoyed her interaction with Vision more. One thing folks tend to forget is Vizh is really quite "young." His personality isn't more than eight or nine years old marvel time. he has simon's brain patterns, but not his experiences. There's an innocence about the character that works well with Wanda.
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Post by von Bek on Apr 11, 2006 12:50:08 GMT -5
Around issue 100 Hawkeye was hitting on the Witch, but she was more attracted to the outsider Vision. After that no writer explored that relationship anymore, but to me a Clint/Wanda affair would make sense, both joined the Avengers simultaniously and, except for the big three, are the characters with more ties to the Avengers in the MU.
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 11, 2006 13:58:44 GMT -5
I'm with imperiousrex -- in fact, I would welcome a return of Mantis, the Vision, and the Scarlet Witch, because that would mean we were operating back in the Marvel Universe and not the what-can-we-make-a-million-on-this-month universe.
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 12, 2006 10:09:45 GMT -5
Eh eh, some nice ideas. As for me, I would pin Wonder Man with Warbird / Ms Marvel. Back in the Shooter run (I think), he seemed to be attracted by her and there was potential for a romance, which never happened. I'm curious to see how they would get along together now. For Vision, I'm a classic one and still see him with Wanda, even though Mantis would be a nice change for a while.
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 12, 2006 11:43:48 GMT -5
Hawkeye could really be played with any of the ladies much like Claremont played Wolverine with Jean Grey. I thought Hawk's tryst with Jan toward the end of Vol. 3 was interesting, if short-lived.
Man, Hank Pym's just had it rough... I feel sorry for that guy sometimes.
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 13, 2006 8:56:51 GMT -5
The releationship between Clint and Jan was a bit too sudden for my taste. A while ago they were close to get back together, or at least in very friendly terms, but all of a sudden are ready to jump at eath other's throath.
Overall I didn't like the characterization during the short Austin run.
If I remember well though, Clint had a crush for Wanda in the early Avengers years, before her marriage with Vision, is that correct ?
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Post by Yellowjacket on Apr 16, 2006 5:04:12 GMT -5
Yes, Clint was attracked by Wanda (I believe, right from the beginning when the new team was formed, back in Avengers #16), but nothing happened.
His next relationship was with Natasha, in Avengers #29 he´s already in love with her, so I think he had to get her know in some ToS issues?
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Post by von Bek on Apr 17, 2006 8:00:51 GMT -5
Yes, Clint was attracked by Wanda (I believe, right from the beginning when the new team was formed, back in Avengers #16), but nothing happened. His next relationship was with Natasha, in Avengers #29 he´s already in love with her, so I think he had to get her know in some ToS issues? When Natasha was still a spy for the Soviet Union, she seduced Clint to make him fight Iron Man. Later both became super heroes, were a couple for some time and after a while the Widow became Daredevil partner (and girlfriend) and Clint tried to start a romance with Wanda.
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 19, 2006 10:40:30 GMT -5
I Think Natasha refers to this during the first Avengers/Thunderbolts crossover, "The Nefaria Protocols". She said she was attracted by his mixture of insecurity and bravado.
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Post by Bored Yesterday on Apr 19, 2006 14:21:08 GMT -5
I believe that when Wanda chose Vision, and eventually married him, Hawkeye split and joined the Defenders for a bit. This was around issues 113 or so. Wasn't it? I don't know.
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 20, 2006 7:57:45 GMT -5
I could be totally wrong, but I think Hawkeye left the Avengers for the Defenders before the wedding. Here is my reasoning: 1) Hawkeye was with the Defenders at the time of the Avengers/Defenders War 2) Mantis and Swordsman were both alive and well with the Avengers during that war 3) Swordsman died before Wanda's wedding. So the wedding must have been after the war, when Hawkeye had already left the Avengers for the Defenders (even though just for a very short period). Having said that, I'm not sure of the reasons why he left in first place, maybe it was because Wanda and Vision were tightly together.
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Post by von Bek on Apr 20, 2006 8:53:28 GMT -5
Yeah, Hawkeye left the Avengers before the Wedding and before the Swordsman´s death. During the Avengers/Defenders clash Hawk was with the Defenders and Swordsman and Mantis (as a couple) an the Vision and Wanda (as another couple) on Earth´s Mightiests side. The double Wedding was after Swordsman death (Giant Size Avengers #2 if memory serves) at the end of the Celestial Madonna Saga and Mantis married a Cotati (kind of an sentient plant - man, Englehart was trippin´) who took Swordsman form.
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Post by sharkar on Nov 1, 2006 23:19:37 GMT -5
You know, reading all this reminds me of Clint's gallant offer to Wanda to be the "...father of your little witchbrood", waaaay back in #102, v.1. Just think, had she taken him up on this, Disassembled might never have occurred!
I am looking forward to the forthcoming "Ballad of Clint Barton and Wanda Maximoff" in New Avengers #26.
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Post by imperiusrex on Nov 2, 2006 2:18:49 GMT -5
You know, reading all this reminds me of Clint's gallant offer to Wanda to be the "...father of your little witchbrood", waaaay back in #102, v.1. Just think, had she taken him up on this, Disassembled might never have occurred! I am looking forward to the forthcoming "Ballad of Clint Barton and Wanda Maximoff" in New Avengers #26. I am soooo troubled by Wanda's insanity being caused by her inability to have "real" children with Vision (and the subsequent reality/unreality of her kids). Millions of folks adopt all the time, couples are unable to conceive and they adjust to it. I think especially given the fact that wanda has been adopted more than once, she might be open to the idea. but no, witch done gone crazy because she didn't get her kids. bah. and if wanda alters reality her kids were real. this whole thing is so stupid. hopefully someone will clear this up at some point. also, altering probablities is not altering reality. If you play roulette and use a magnet to influence the movement of the wheel, you altered probabilityas the ball will land closer to your favored number, but you haven't changed reality. wanda and clint never had more than a passing attraction. and considering they were often in the heat of battle together and never felt the need to seek comfort, I doubt they'll go that route now. but Bendis always terrifies me, so who knows what road he'll go down with this story...
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Post by uberwolf on Nov 2, 2006 10:36:40 GMT -5
Let's not forget Jocasta. While no one was interested in her, heck, they barely noticed she was around, but she did have a thing for the Vision. Back in the day he was the man! That dark and brooding thing got all the women, except Jan. It may have been more of a lonely soul looking for solice in a fellow synthetic being. She did seem kind of jealous of Vision and Wanda though.
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Post by bobc on Nov 2, 2006 11:21:23 GMT -5
Hawkeye had the hots for anything with two legs and a hole in between. He was definately the horniest Avenger of all time. True he never tried to get wit' Jocasta, but I heard that that was because she wasn't anatomically correct if youknowwhatI'msayin'.
Imperious--why bother being "troubled" over incompetent writing? Hopefully Wanda will bend reality and make Bendis go away before he does any more damage.
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Post by von Bek on Nov 10, 2006 12:10:39 GMT -5
Well, according to Byrne the Vision isn´t 'anatomically correct' either. Remember in the Vision Quest storyline when Pym was reassembling him (and when he showed up naked as the colorless Vision, freakin´ USAgent out)? Vizh looked like a Barbie doll (err, without the breasts of course). No wonder Wanda went nuts...
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Post by jkemble on Nov 10, 2006 13:05:56 GMT -5
word. Hawkeye all the way, making his death at her hands that much more dramatic.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 20, 2007 9:49:06 GMT -5
I may catch some heat here, but I think I liked the idea of Wanda being with Cap in,...gulp,...dissassembled.
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Post by sharkar on Apr 20, 2007 11:33:52 GMT -5
I thought it was a good idea, too. Too bad it was shoehorned to fit into the crazy Wanda story. I've always wanted them to get together. Here's something I posted at the Comic Book Resources Board last December (I post there very occasionally, as "Ventura" ), in response to someone asking if Cap and Wanda had ever had a romance:
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Post by redstatecap on Apr 21, 2007 1:04:08 GMT -5
I thought it was a good idea, too. Too bad it was shoehorned to fit into the crazy Wanda story. I've always wanted them to get together. While I didn't care much for Priest's CA&F, and hated AD, this was actually the best AD tie-in story. Don't get me wrong, I don't care for the idea of Cap and Wanda hooking up -- I'm a loyal Spitfire fan! I guess what I'm trying to say is that the story was pretty well-written and believable. It was interesting to see the unflappable Cap skidding sideways when faced with a lot of Wanda's meddling and probably some small amount of real emotional conflict. Of course, my opinion is that left to his own devices Cap would have no romantic interest in Wanda and was probably oblivious to it back in the day. But hey, finding out that someone you've known well as a friend for years has a smashing crush on you can make for an interesting story at least. But then again, what can you really take out of actions by a character who is unfortunately portrayed as insane? RSC
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 21, 2007 6:43:31 GMT -5
Spitfire? Why don't you throw Peggy in there as well.?
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Post by redstatecap on Apr 21, 2007 10:23:21 GMT -5
Because Peggy's a Carter, and the Carter sisters must die.
RSC
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