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Post by bobc on Jul 14, 2006 20:01:21 GMT -5
Don't be coy, Dl. You know the Black Panther is my favorite Avenger--I just didn't want to be annoying by harping on him all the time. I want to see him get back to his basics too--I want him very catlike again
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Post by tschamp on Jul 20, 2006 16:06:53 GMT -5
Captain America, for reasons already stated by others here, is my favoriate.
Doctor Druid was the worst. Avenger with a beer gut!!!
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Post by Shiryu on Jul 21, 2006 8:08:37 GMT -5
I have to say, dr. Druid wasn't that bad as long as Stern was there. He played a good part in the Mansion Siege storyline, in the battle against the gods and in the short Avalon story. It's from when Stern left that he became arrogant to say the least.
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Post by dlw66 on Jul 21, 2006 11:54:15 GMT -5
Dr. Druid would be classified with me as one of the "why??" characters. Like, why was it ever thought that he was Avengers material?? I suppose way back in the day fans might have felt that way about Hawkeye, Quicksilver, and the Scarlet Witch, but I am pretty sure that those three characters, even though siding as or with criminals, were painted as having a heroic underlining. I just felt in that period when Druid, Gilgamesh, and Reed and Sue were on the team was a little forced, and to be honest not unlike what we are currently enduring.
But the Buscema/Palmer art was still good!!
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Post by ultron69 on Sept 22, 2009 8:37:59 GMT -5
No votes out there for the Black Panther? He's had some cool moments through the years, particularly when he showed up to kick Graviton's butt in #159! I think the Black Panther may very well be my favorite. For me, it's probably a tossup between him, the Beast, the Wasp. Then again, the Vision, Thor, and Hercules are pretty cool, too. So tough to choose! I think of the Black Panther as the world's coolest nerd. I vaguely remember one issue where he was relaxing to some poetry or something. I could see him quoting Shakespeare. He is also among the noblest Avenger. Again, I remember him taking umbrage at some of Iron Man's "dishonorable" tactics in the late 70's. I also love BP's costume! when I was a kid, I remember he was one of the haracters I'd pretend to be as I ran around, along with the Beast, Quicksilver, and the Flash.
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Post by defdave on Sept 22, 2009 11:00:19 GMT -5
Hawkeye and Black Knight for me. And lately Hercules is climbing towards the top mainly because I've been enjoying "Incredible Hercules" so much.
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Post by comaboy on Nov 4, 2009 14:11:57 GMT -5
It's the Vision for me. I love his combination of powers and the fact that he's really a heavy hitter. During the time I was growing up and collecting the title, (1974 - 1980), he was an anchor for the team.
Unfortunately I too think there's been a tendency to under or misuse him for quite a while now.
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Post by humanbelly on Nov 4, 2009 14:58:17 GMT -5
It's the Vision for me. I love his combination of powers and the fact that he's really a heavy hitter. During the time I was growing up and collecting the title, (1974 - 1980), he was an anchor for the team. Unfortunately I too think there's been a tendency to under or misuse him for quite a while now. Coma, you probably remember, then, how Vision was used for YEARS as the Corner Icon on the covers, right? His association with the group iron-bound, even though it was never officially trumpeted as such. Boy, those issues when he joined & shortly after are some of my favorite comics ever. . . (sigh). Say, this is a long-neglected thread! Any of you veterans want to refresh us newer folks? HB
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Post by squidboy on Nov 4, 2009 19:30:04 GMT -5
I've got to agree with comaboy on this one and for the same reasons. It's definately Vision for me. Cap and Beast tied for second.
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Post by michidiers on Nov 5, 2009 3:50:26 GMT -5
Since I was 9 or 10 years old, my favorite Avenger is Vision until today (43 years old).
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Post by Doctor Bong on Nov 5, 2009 3:56:55 GMT -5
Iron Man for me, followed by Hawkeye and Crystal.
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Post by medinnus on Nov 5, 2009 8:03:53 GMT -5
I would have to say Winghead.
Kind of a "duh" statement from me, more or less...
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Post by humanbelly on Nov 5, 2009 10:10:03 GMT -5
This is kind of neat, because it really does reflect the diversity of folks' tastes w/out it having to regress into being competitive about who's "really" the best Avenger. And that holds true if you cruise back into the dim past of this thread. It's also nice to see a character from Harras' run (Crystal) mentioned. That's, like, the "Forgotten Period" of Avengers history, even though it was quite a long run, and reads better as a sit-down-at-once than it did when it was first published. Honestly, I'm no fan of Crystal-- but I COMPLETELY support a fan's right to hold her in such high esteem.
My personal choice for favorite has shifted around a bit over the years. And I have a deep fondness for many, many of them. But I think I ultimately still have to go with Hawkeye, and then with the Vision as a very close second. (A large part of what knocks Vizh down is that he's had far too many years now not being himself. Jonas?? Vas ist dis Jonas?? Can we have our overly-sensitive, perpetually-in-denial synthezoid of the late 60's & 70's back, please?)
But it has never failed that, anytime ol' Hawk is back in the fold, he adds a sense of fun, grit, and unpredictability. He's the slightly-jerkish buddy that you love in spite of himself. The non-powered Everyman of the superhero world (less "super" than Cap, even-- though folks forget that) who simply will not give in. And he has utter, utter faith in the one thing- the ONE THING- that raises him above his peers. Far more than it should ever apply to Wolverine, "The Best There Is at What He Does" should be the subtitle whenever Hawk's name appears as a logo.
Yep, I'll stick w/ the archer.
HB
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Post by comaboy on Nov 5, 2009 11:42:03 GMT -5
Coma, you probably remember, then, how Vision was used for YEARS as the Corner Icon on the covers, right? His association with the group iron-bound, even though it was never officially trumpeted as such. Absolutely, that very fact was not lost on me and I took great pride it it. ;-)
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Post by Doctor Bong on Nov 6, 2009 15:18:19 GMT -5
This is kind of neat, because it really does reflect the diversity of folks' tastes w/out it having to regress into being competitive about who's "really" the best Avenger. And that holds true if you cruise back into the dim past of this thread. It's also nice to see a character from Harras' run (Crystal) mentioned. That's, like, the "Forgotten Period" of Avengers history, even though it was quite a long run, and reads better as a sit-down-at-once than it did when it was first published. Honestly, I'm no fan of Crystal-- but I COMPLETELY support a fan's right to hold her in such high esteem. My personal choice for favorite has shifted around a bit over the years. And I have a deep fondness for many, many of them. But I think I ultimately still have to go with Hawkeye, and then with the Vision as a very close second. (A large part of what knocks Vizh down is that he's had far too many years now not being himself. Jonas?? Vas ist dis Jonas?? Can we have our overly-sensitive, perpetually-in-denial synthezoid of the late 60's & 70's back, please?) But it has never failed that, anytime ol' Hawk is back in the fold, he adds a sense of fun, grit, and unpredictability. He's the slightly-jerkish buddy that you love in spite of himself. The non-powered Everyman of the superhero world (less "super" than Cap, even-- though folks forget that) who simply will not give in. And he has utter, utter faith in the one thing- the ONE THING- that raises him above his peers. Far more than it should ever apply to Wolverine, "The Best There Is at What He Does" should be the subtitle whenever Hawk's name appears as a logo. Yep, I'll stick w/ the archer. HB Well, I know my view on Harras' team is an unpopular one but to me he managed to create a deep characterization of each avenger and a sense that they truly geled as a team and weren't just a bunch of costumed adventurers calling themselves Avengers. Back in the day when I started to read Harras' run, I didn't expected to like an Avengers' line-up with none of the Big Three (although Cap rejoined later he wasn't around at the beginning) but I did, more and more as time went by. My only complaint is that the Black Widow saw almost no action during her time as chairwoman. Actionwise she was seriously underused.
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Post by starfoxxx on Nov 6, 2009 17:22:00 GMT -5
based on their Avengers tenures only........ a tie between Beast and Hawkeye
followed by Hercules, She-Hulk, Tigra, and the Big Three.
Honorable Mention.........Starfox!
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Post by sharkar on Nov 9, 2009 21:32:47 GMT -5
No contest; Wanda has always been my favorite Avenger ever since I saw the Marvel Superheroes cartoon Captain America episode "When the Commissar Commands!" (based, as I found out much later, on Avengers #18). In this episode, Cap meets the new Avengers (we're talking the Kooky Quartet days): Hawkeye, Quicksilver and--as they put it in the cartoon-- "Wanda, the Scarlet Witch." I guess that name reminded me of another favorite comic book character of mine, Wendy the Good Little Witch (I was an avid Wendy fan before I got into superheroes--I especially loved those giant-sized Wendy Witch World compendiums). Anyway, a few months after seeing this Cap cartoon I read my first Avengers comic, #45. I loved how Wanda looked--exotic and gypsy-like--and her powers seemed interesting if ill-defined. Imagine how upset I was a few issues later, when Wanda left the Avengers (I have never forgiven Roy Thomas for that!). To tell the truth, during the time when Wanda was gone, I found the Avengers comic extremely boring...even though the art was superlative (J. Buscema-Klein, among others) and Thomas was really coming into his own as the Avengers writer (T'Challa and Vision join, the new Masters of Evil, Ultron, the famous Ozymandias epilogue, "Even Androids Can Cry!", Wasp-YJ wedding, and so on and so on...). I read most of the issues back then, but without a favorite character the Avengers was definitely my least favorite Marvel comic. Thank goodness Wanda eventually returned in #75 (yes, I know it was so Roy could further the story of his then-favorite Avenger--the Vision--but hey, beggars can't be choosers!) Wendy, Casper, Spooky, the Ghostly Trio and Wendy's witchy relatives--a bargain at any price! ;D
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Post by humanbelly on Nov 10, 2009 5:49:54 GMT -5
No contest; -- "Wanda, the Scarlet Witch." I guess that name reminded me of another favorite comic book character of mine, Wendy the Good Little Witch (I was an avid Wendy fan before I got into superheroes--I especially loved those giant-sized Wendy Witch World compendiums). Wendy, Casper, Spooky, the Ghostly Trio and Wendy's witchy relatives--a bargain at any price! ;D Oh, the insidiousness (well, if that's actually a word. . . ) of those Harvey creators! Why, just look at "Wendy"--- blonde haired, blue-eyed! And what sets her apart from other "witches"?? The fact that she's a "Good Little Witch"!! Ergo, upso-defacto, habeas-corpus redacto, being blond-haired and blue-eyed is innately "Good"-- which sends the message that anything non-Northern European is innately "Bad"!! (Heh-- in fact didn't she have a little rival witch friend that tended toward the Dark Side, as it were? Who had dark black hair?) Ohhhhh, it's Seduction of the Innocent all over again. . . Personally, I was kind of partial to Hot Stuff, 'tho I never collected him, per se, as a kid. Say, have we ever discussed anywhere how odd it is that so many of Marvel's male heroes were blond-haired, blue-eyed men? And how odd that was, considering that this stable of creators was, like, 95% Jewish? At a time when that Aryan Ideal ugliness was still acutely painful? Put Steve Rogers, Hank Pym, Clint Barton, Johnny Storm AND the original Human Torch in the same room wearing identical clothes, and you'd give your artist good reason to quit. I'm sure these were unknowing choices, but I reckon they raised a few eyebrows when these guys went home to dinner in the evening. . . ! (And, to be fair, there were only so many standard hair colors to choose from back then-) HB
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Post by kidcage on Nov 10, 2009 16:40:49 GMT -5
My favorite Avenger has always been Hawkeye.
Much like stated throughout this thread, the reason he makes for a favorite Avenger is because he's a skilled archer, but aside from the "Goliath" moments, he has no powers. He's part of Earth's Mightiest Heroes, but he is, in terms of powers/skills, the weakest one.
Clint has always however, been the heart of the Avengers. While I haven't thoroughly enjoyed BENDIS, recently I've been seeing Clint going through a chance of really leading the team, such as soon as coming back standing up against Tony, and now really being the embodiment of the team in Dark Reign.
He's human, and that's the key aspect. He's not a legendary hero, or a multi-billionaire scientist, or a God. He's a guy with a bow and arrow, some know-how, and a heart bigger than it should be. He's compulsive, he's a bit of a player (though his heart's always been with Bobbi), and he doesn't quit, even when he knows he's going to get thrashed.
While I respect the big three, and have several other characters I enjoy (She-Hulk, Wasp, Wonder Man), Clint has always been and will remain tops with me.
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Post by sharkar on Nov 10, 2009 21:12:51 GMT -5
Say, have we ever discussed anywhere how odd it is that so many of Marvel's male heroes were blond-haired, blue-eyed men? And how odd that was, considering that this stable of creators was, like, 95% Jewish? At a time when that Aryan Ideal ugliness was still acutely painful? A great topic to be sure (lots on the net and in books about it). I mean, look at the very famous example of Joe Simon and Jack Kirby (Jewish) creating Captain America--blond, blue-eyed, square-jawed, the perfect man...or the ultimate Aryan? ... Put Steve Rogers, Hank Pym, Clint Barton, Johnny Storm AND the original Human Torch in the same room wearing identical clothes, and you'd give your artist good reason to quit. I'm sure these were unknowing choices, but I reckon they raised a few eyebrows when these guys went home to dinner in the evening. . . ! Yeah, when I first glanced at this panel a few months ago (online) I thought, gee, what's Steve Rogers doing with Namor? And what's wrong with Steve's thumb? (Great art by Buscema, but Johnny's jaw looks too square, his face looks too mature...) (And, to be fair, there were only so many standard hair colors to choose from back then-) Exactly. Remember that panel in Avengers #58, toward the end, when Hank Pym, Cap and Hawkeye are all in costume but unmasked? They're virtually indistinguishable! Some issues earlier Marvel started to color Hank's hair light orange (instead of the yellow blond he'd sported for years), because I guess it was felt there were too many blond, short-haired Caucasian males on the Avengers at the time. But even in more recent times: can someone tell me whose bright idea it was to give Wanda tomato-red hair (instead of her usual brown-auburn hair, or even her black hair) during the Crossing/Onslaught era? She's a freakin' Jean Grey clone here!
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