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Bendis
Mar 29, 2006 8:56:20 GMT -5
Post by Shiryu on Mar 29, 2006 8:56:20 GMT -5
Oh wow, I'm at 100 post myself ! I'd like to celebrate my little accomplishment with a simple poll: do you like Bendis run on NA ? Until a while ago, I thought pretty much everyone was against him, but I've read some positive comments on more recent topics, so I'm quite curious to see what comes out of this
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Bendis
Mar 29, 2006 9:52:00 GMT -5
Post by dlw66 on Mar 29, 2006 9:52:00 GMT -5
Nope -- DO NOT like him on New Avengers.
I have a good friend who has recommended his Daredevil work to me for years, I have thoroughly enjoyed reading the tpb's of Ultimate Spider-Man, I liked the first story arc in The Pulse (although I haven't kept up with that book). So I am not a Bendis-hater...
...except when he's screwing around with MY Avengers!!!!!
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Bendis
Mar 29, 2006 9:52:03 GMT -5
Post by Black Knight on Mar 29, 2006 9:52:03 GMT -5
I was a real fan of Bendis's Alias comic, and at first I was really happy that Bendis was going to be doing Avengers, then I found out he was disassembling the classic team, I thought hmm that is not good, but lets see what the team is like, then I found out that Wolverine was going to be on the team, and my hopes droped more, then he killed Hawkeye (one of my favorite charaters) and my hopes droped more. Then we got to NA and it took 13 issue to put together the anounced team, and 6 issues to put together a team at all. Also the level of decompression is horrible, the first 16 issues could have been in 10 to 12 issues.
Some of Bendis's ideas with NA could have been great but the follow through has made them boring, to finish breakout you have to read Spider Man: breakout mini, to finish up with disassembled you had to read the Hercules mini. A nother problem I had was that at the end of the first 6 issues, who saves the day, Shield, at the end of the Sentry run who saves the day Emma Frost. Heck, up until the collective thing the Avengers have fought and defeated by themselves only the wreaker, the mutates, and some ninjas.
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Bendis
Mar 29, 2006 10:20:04 GMT -5
Post by thew40 on Mar 29, 2006 10:20:04 GMT -5
I really like his run so far. He's made it interesting. I, too, wish he would speed things along. I know that his style is slow and he loves to set things up, but it's been taking too long. The Sentry arc was too long.
It's nice to finally see the team doing something, though. And who knows what will happen with Civil War and New Avengers: Disassembled.
~W~
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Bendis
Mar 31, 2006 3:38:56 GMT -5
Post by Yellowjacket on Mar 31, 2006 3:38:56 GMT -5
Yes, I like it so far. I enjoyed his DD run, too. Can´t say much about USM, but then I only read the first 8 issues (I do not read any Spidey comics any more).
His story bulding up is okay for me, but I really would prefer, if he´d drop Spider-Man and Wolverine from the team sometime soon.
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Bendis
Mar 31, 2006 10:35:48 GMT -5
Post by bobc on Mar 31, 2006 10:35:48 GMT -5
uhhhhh--what is he "setting up," exactly? I mean it's been two years and absolutely nothing's happened since the first two issues.
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Bendis
Apr 2, 2006 20:44:11 GMT -5
Post by imperiusrex on Apr 2, 2006 20:44:11 GMT -5
uhhhhh--what is he "setting up," exactly? I mean it's been two years and absolutely nothing's happened since the first two issues. It's the Seinfeld of comics... I've found Bendis is symptomatic of everything that's wrong with comics, currently. An overreliance on shock factor instead of letting the emotion come from the characters; upping the ante to the Nth level (i.e. Wanda is God) and then having an anticlimax which only serves to lead in to the next big event; random scattershot storytelling that meanders and sloughs its way to completion six, eight, ten months later; selective memory that emphasizes only the negative when it comes to continuity; justifying all the big events when it comes to characters by saying "they need to change" except when it comes to main sellers like Spider-Man, Wolverine, Punisher et al. because cash cows are sacred. At this point I'd rather have Austen, heck I'd rather have the guy who writes Family Circus, at least that dude knows how to tell a straightforward story... Give me Iron Man and Cap following a dotted line, Wanda saying "Not Me" when something goes wrong and Hawkeye's grandma staring down from Heaven with Glenn Miller playing in the background over BMB anyday.
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Bendis
Apr 2, 2006 21:17:03 GMT -5
Post by The Night Phantom on Apr 2, 2006 21:17:03 GMT -5
I’ve not cared for Bendis’ writing style on Avengers and New Avengers. However, I will say this: his team line-up has made for interesting appearances in other comics! The interplay between Spider-Man and his teammates has added interest to JMS’s Amazing Spider-Man (which I had been thinking of dropping); I loved the crossover in Runaways; and it was great fun to see the New Thunderbolts–New Avengers clash (with Bendis’ team losing, natch). This may be the worst (or nearly the worst) creative period in the history of Avengers comics, yet it’s been pretty good in terms of Avengers guest shots!
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Bendis
Apr 2, 2006 22:21:06 GMT -5
Post by Avenger4Ever on Apr 2, 2006 22:21:06 GMT -5
I've not been overly enthused about his run thus far. Some issues have been better than others but, as a whole no, I don't like the run. I don't mind roster changes in the Avengers but, the current team just doesn't feel right to me. It feels more like the Defenders or the Champions, than it does the 'Earth's Mightiest Heroes". Hopefully, Civil War will move the book in a different direction and have some roster changes as well.
A4E
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Bendis
Apr 3, 2006 7:37:02 GMT -5
Post by dlw66 on Apr 3, 2006 7:37:02 GMT -5
Great analogies to those former loved books of mine. The Defenders were known as a non-team, I believe. That is exactly what the Avengers are at this point.
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Bendis
Apr 3, 2006 9:41:50 GMT -5
Post by Shiryu on Apr 3, 2006 9:41:50 GMT -5
I go for the "no" myself. I don't mind the new roster, and I'm actually quite happy to see Spidey in the Avengers, but I don't like the lack-of-something-happening feeling coming with every issue. Things keep building up, and then something disappointing happens and the end becomes anticlimatic. Also the Avengers seem to be in constant need of help from outside to win their battles, and the characters talk a lot and do very little. I agree this is Bendis' style and should be accepted as it, but I still don't like it ^^
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Bendis
Apr 3, 2006 10:04:14 GMT -5
Post by bobc on Apr 3, 2006 10:04:14 GMT -5
They needed help with battles? What battles? I have to admit I stopped buying it a while ago.
I don't mind Spiderman in the Avengers, since he's flirted with joining many times over the years, but Wolverine was/is cheap exploitation.
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Bendis
Apr 3, 2006 10:50:28 GMT -5
Post by Black Knight on Apr 3, 2006 10:50:28 GMT -5
They needed help with battles? What battles? I have to admit I stopped buying it a while ago. I don't mind Spiderman in the Avengers, since he's flirted with joining many times over the years, but Wolverine was/is cheap exploitation. Well in disassembled they needed Dr. Strange to win the day for them. In breakout, Shield shows up and saves the day, in Sentry, Emma is the person who fixes the problem. The NA team has fought the following things on there own. Some supervillian prisoners, the mutates, The wrecker, and some ninjas.
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Bendis
Apr 3, 2006 10:58:18 GMT -5
Post by dlw66 on Apr 3, 2006 10:58:18 GMT -5
"The NA team has fought the following things on there own. Some supervillian prisoners, the mutates, The wrecker, and some ninjas."
Not exactly Kang, Ultron, or the Masters of Evil, is it?
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Bendis
Apr 3, 2006 13:16:44 GMT -5
Post by Black Knight on Apr 3, 2006 13:16:44 GMT -5
"The NA team has fought the following things on there own. Some supervillian prisoners, the mutates, The wrecker, and some ninjas." Not exactly Kang, Ultron, or the Masters of Evil, is it? I wouldn't even call it the Absorbing man, or the grey gargoyle.
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Bendis
Apr 3, 2006 16:07:47 GMT -5
Post by bobc on Apr 3, 2006 16:07:47 GMT -5
Gotcha BK. I found those stories so mind-numbingly boring that I guess I just lost interest in who won the battles for the Avengers.
You know, you can say the Avengers fought this one or that one, but most of what I saw were just big splash pages where nobody actually takes down anybody. I'm not against splash pages per se, I just want to see excatly how, say, Iron Man takes down Klaw. The only time this has happened to my satisfaction in NA is when Spiderwoman took down Wolverine. Even when the avengers fought the Wrecker, Bendis managed to have a stand and pose dialogue session in the middle of it between Spiderwoman and the Wrecker.
The Avengers reduced to fighting Ninjas. Nice.
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Bendis
Apr 3, 2006 18:39:32 GMT -5
Post by Avenger4Ever on Apr 3, 2006 18:39:32 GMT -5
Pretty soon they will spend 2 or 3 issues fighting the Girls Scouts of America. ;D
A4E
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Bendis
Apr 4, 2006 9:54:17 GMT -5
Post by Shiryu on Apr 4, 2006 9:54:17 GMT -5
Again, I don't mind if the Avengers get help sometimes. Yesterday I finally got hold of the issue in which they fight the Exemplars (finally completing my Busiek run collection. Hoorray !! ) and they get help from Spidey, Eracles and Nova. However, that's still the Avengers fighting and, ultimately, winning. In NA they seem completely unable to win without some help, even though the team doesn't lack in strenght or raw power.
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Bendis
Apr 4, 2006 10:07:54 GMT -5
Post by bobc on Apr 4, 2006 10:07:54 GMT -5
I loved that Exemplar arch. One thing you can say about Perez and Busiek is that there is always plenty of action--which makes their work exciting and fun.. Even when they brought in other characters, the core Avengers never suffered.
Oh God why did you have to mention that run? It's making me really sad...
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Bendis
Apr 5, 2006 8:49:00 GMT -5
Post by Shiryu on Apr 5, 2006 8:49:00 GMT -5
Now you can see why I searched long and hard to get the whole Busiek run My next point is to get the Stern run and the Shooter run !
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Bendis
Apr 7, 2006 20:30:18 GMT -5
Post by Avenger4Ever on Apr 7, 2006 20:30:18 GMT -5
I didn't realize it but, Marvel has been producing hardback collections of the Busiek/Perez vol.3 Avengers stories. That in itself speaks volumes. If there wasn't strong enough interest in the pre-disassembled stories, there wouldn't be 3 hardcover collections of these stories.
A4E
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