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Post by ultron69 on Jun 18, 2012 11:13:03 GMT -5
Thanks for the info on the new EMH, Starfoxx.
Also, Shiryu, I agree about Green Lantern. The CGI took some getting used to, but it's a pretty good show, though not as good as EMH or YJ. I think I missed the last episode, though. :-(
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Post by ultron69 on Jun 25, 2012 8:21:54 GMT -5
OK, the Red Hulk episode was prettty good, but I felt that SHIELD was a little too quick to disbelieve that the Red Hulk wasn't the real Hulk even though Banner was far away. It seems like it should be very easy to prove that that wasn't the real Hulk, and should have happened before they let SHIELD take Dr. Banner. Sure, I know that "Cap" wanted him arrested, but somebody else should have stepped up.
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Post by drew on Jun 25, 2012 11:50:19 GMT -5
ultron69. I completely agree, but from what I understood the Red Hulk storyline was a bit of a trainwreck, so getting a decent EMH episode out of it is no small victory. Bear in mind Maria Hill isn't the most reasonable person around and she did point out the Hulk started out grey. That was a nice touch. I wouldn't mind seeing the grey Hulk at some point, but honestly EMH Hulk is pretty much the grey Hulk, so oh well. I think it was the Korvac episode where Hulk is devouring a turkey and Iron Man wonders what kind of radiation he's giving off and the Hulk nonchalantly points out it's cosmic radiation. Good stuff.
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Post by drew on Jun 25, 2012 11:57:10 GMT -5
Guys, new episodes seem to be online. I haven't watched any yet, but some of the titles are Emperor Stark, Winter Soldier, Code Red and Avengers Assemble!
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Post by Shiryu on Jun 25, 2012 15:07:31 GMT -5
All the remaining episodes are online! Final 4 are
New Avengers Operation Galactic Storm Live Kree or Die Avengers Assemble
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Post by drew on Jun 25, 2012 15:27:11 GMT -5
Guys, no spoilers, but the last episodes are very good to great IMO. Given more time (another season) to expand on the newer characters/relationships, this show could've been the best ever. As is, it has been a very fun ride and it's been very encouraging to know that the Avengers can be done right in an animated format.
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Post by badgermaniac on Jul 1, 2012 9:58:58 GMT -5
I missed the Red Hulk episode (and strangely, it wasn't replayed at any other time, which was unusual). Does anyone know where it can be viewed?
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Post by ultron69 on Jul 2, 2012 6:56:49 GMT -5
Yeah, "Prisoner of war" was very good. It feels to me like this Skrull invasion thing is finally moving along. Next episode should be interesting.
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Post by ultron69 on Jul 9, 2012 16:24:45 GMT -5
OK, I'm confused. How many Captain Americas are there? Who was it that escaped from the Skrull ship in last week's episode?
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Post by drew on Jul 10, 2012 5:54:13 GMT -5
Three Caps if I'm not mistaken. There was "Ultimate Cap", with energy shield "Original Skrull Cap" who had just came back from Asgard with his original outfit and no shield (because Loki shattered it) and the real Cap, who was held prisoner on the Skrull ship and breaks out with Gyrich, Viper, etc. They are heading back to Earth currently. It does get a bit confusing at times. There is either a massive plot hole (in a Bendis story?) or the Original Skrull Cap was going to replace Ultimate Skrull Cap. Or something.
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Post by ultron69 on Jul 10, 2012 7:30:05 GMT -5
Thanks, Drew. I was wondering why there would be two Skrull Caps. Either the Skrulls or the writers goofed, perhaps.
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Post by drew on Jul 10, 2012 13:11:01 GMT -5
You're welcome. I wouldn't dog the entire Invasion storyline, but there were some quite ridiculous moments, where in the the old days Stan Lee would have to award a bunch of No-Prizes and today we're just expected to ignore that kind of stuff. I will give EMH credit for the "new, hipper and improved! Cap " to be an alien imposter.
I'm not sure if Ultimates was meant as a satire (political commentary, sure) but I enjoyed the first two volumes. It won't age well, certainly not as well as the Dark Knight Returns or Watchmen. The Ultimate line just wasn't planned for longevity it seemed more like giving the writers an ego trip. Some of it was great, some was terrible.
I was disappointed that the newer episodes tend to be based on more recent stories. I'm not especially a fan of Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch, but a three parter involving Kang, Young Avengers, and maybe the MC2 universe would've been really cool.
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Post by ultron69 on Jul 18, 2012 9:44:18 GMT -5
The last EMH was good, but not great, IMHO. Some cliched lines, and everyone seemed to magically show up in the nick of time to save the day (like Thor). The big battle seemed to be wrapped up too quickly. Still, it was good overall. Lots of action and some humor, and it's awlays good to see us kick the Skrulls' butts. I don't know how many episodes are left, but this one does make me interested to see where the team goes from here. And where is Dr. Pym?
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Post by drew on Jul 24, 2012 0:03:34 GMT -5
Hank Pym is taking a sabbatical doing research. Yellowjacket is imminent and quite fun.
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Post by ultron69 on Jul 24, 2012 8:16:02 GMT -5
I thought the last episode was just OK. I'm sure it's just me, but Marvel's "the general public distrusting and turning on superheroes" routine does wear a bit thin on me. It was nice to see Spidey, though.
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Post by drew on Jul 24, 2012 10:00:41 GMT -5
I thought Spider-man vs. Cap was very well done.
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Post by drew on Jul 24, 2012 12:03:01 GMT -5
To clarify, I didn't mean physically; I thought Peter was written very well in the teenage- what do people think of me! It matters! mindset while Cap was cool calm and collected. Cap had his priorities in mind and for maybe awhile was a surrogate Uncle Ben. "Can I be your sidekick?" was a great line.
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Post by ultron69 on Jul 25, 2012 11:02:19 GMT -5
I liked the way Peter was written, though I was surprised that they had him as a 17 year old (maybe to set us up for the movie reboot?) but I didn't like Cap that much for the first half of the episode. Esepcially the scene in the car with the reporter. He basically just said "no comment". I'm sorry, but Cap would have come up with something more inspiring and convincing than that.
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Post by drew on Jul 28, 2012 2:13:52 GMT -5
I agree Ultron, but Cap is a man from the forties and he's not really outgoing. Where Tony might blanket the media with interviews, Steve feels his actions and convictions speak for themselves. Cap doesn't explain what happened or why he does what he does. The why isn't important; I feel this was expressed well in his speech to Peter. Cap is a super-hero, sure, but beyond that he's a soldier. Soldiers fight wars and ugly things happen. Jane Foster probably said it it best "people need my help, and I help them" I'm really tired of the Serpent Society but still a great episode.
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Post by ultron69 on Jul 29, 2012 14:40:20 GMT -5
OK, yesterday's episode was good, and obviously leading to another episode, but they sure did power up the Vision, just as they've done in the past with Carol Danvers and the Black Panther. Vision smacking around Thor? I don't know about that. Interesting that he used the solar beam on his forehead, something I've almost never seen him do in the comics, which makes me wonder why, unless is drains his energy levels too quickly or something. Anyway, this episode had more of the feel of the earlier episodes than the Skrull episodes did.
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Post by humanbelly on Jul 29, 2012 19:10:54 GMT -5
OK, yesterday's episode was good, and obviously leading to another episode, but they sure did power up the Vision, just as they've done in the past with Carol Danvers and the Black Panther. Vision smacking around Thor? I don't know about that. Interesting that he used the solar beam on his forehead, something I've almost never seen him do in the comics, which makes me wonder why, unless is drains his energy levels too quickly or something. Anyway, this episode had more of the feel of the earlier episodes than the Skrull episodes did. Gosh, I wish I was able to watch this show. The Vision's power set that you've described sounds like it's being admirably faithful to the fellow we were introduced to in Avengers #57. In #58, he does in fact go toe-to-toe w/ Thor for a panel or two (as a demonstration of the enhanced strength he gets when he massively increases his density. . . which is just scientifically hinky across several fields). I believe he also uses his "solar blast" in that issue as well-- and did use it a little more often in those early years. In issue #61 (I think), we discover that the jewel is actually a solar/energy collector-- it's what he "feeds" on. I think farther down the road this all got kind of forgotten-- I'm pretty sure we've seen him using eye-beams at some point, rather than jewel-beams. *sigh* HB
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Post by sharkar on Jul 30, 2012 9:25:17 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure we've seen him using eye-beams at some point, rather than jewel-beams. He used his "eye-beams" in his very first appearance (which, as you mentioned, was #57), when he attacked poor Jan! And he used his eye-beams a couple of more times soon after his debut. It was a bit later on that Vizh used his solar jewel as an offensive weapon, IIRC in one of the Barry Smith issues during BS's first stint as Avengers artist. At the time I remember being very surprised that the jewel could emit rays. I chalked it up to Smith's fanciful imagination and art--I'm guessing Smith didn't know that Vizh's eyes could emit rays so he drew the power rays emanating from the jewel instead. My apologies for the detour, ultron and drew! Back to our regularly scheduled program... ;D
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Post by humanbelly on Jul 30, 2012 9:55:20 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure we've seen him using eye-beams at some point, rather than jewel-beams. He used his "eye-beams" in his very first appearance (which, as you mentioned, was #57), when he attacked poor Jan! And he used his eye-beams a couple of more times soon after his debut. It was a bit later on that Vizh used his solar jewel as an offensive weapon, IIRC in one of the Barry Smith issues during BS's first stint as Avengers artist. At the time I remember being very surprised that the jewel could emit rays. I chalked it up to Smith's fanciful imagination and art--I'm guessing Smith didn't know that Vizh's eyes could emit rays so he drew the power rays emanating from the jewel instead. My apologies for the detour, ultron and drew! Back to our regularly scheduled program... ;D Ah, excellent-- thanks for getting my memory turned back around the right way, Shar. ;D HB
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Post by ultron69 on Jul 30, 2012 12:48:06 GMT -5
I do seem to recall Vizh using the jewel beam at some point, but only very rarely. It seems like, when someone introduces a character and wants to show how strong he is, they have him go toe to toe with Thor. I recall Wonder Man being constantly pumped up (was it during Michelenie's run?) by going toe to toe with Thor (actually having the upper hand, really) then us being constantly reminded of that fact by the writer.
One good thing about the last episode is it looks like the members are coming to terms with the seeds of distrust that the Skrulls planted among them.
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Post by drew on Jul 30, 2012 13:47:30 GMT -5
I gotta agree fellas. It seems every new Avenger-to-be spanks the current roster, then joins up and they are suddenly less powerful. I actually buy it with Cap (he was still reacting to a trauma) BP (he did his homework) and Hulk and Thor (because they are just raw power, but with Carol and Vision it seemed a bit formulaic. I did like Hawkeye saving the team what, three times? And Janet growing to giant size.
A lot of comic characters had/have poorly defined/ flexible abilities and origins and sadly our sythezoid the Vision has on numerous times had one of the worst cases of this. If he can seriously give Thor a couple of good wallops, why is he always being destroyed, ripped in half etc? The Vision has great power, but the writers should focus on the subtle aspects of his power and have him quit mooning over Wanda. That makes him boring. Spider-man (beautifully done in Civil War-is a threat because he has strength, speed, balance, brains, and he's essentially psychic.)
As far as the solar gem goes, my memory is a bit spotty on this topic and numerous retcons don't help. but Visz can shoot heat rays from his gem and from his eyes. The gem is usually a focused, precision beam and the eye blasts are meant to clear a room. In the 4 issue series a few years ago, Dr. Phineas Horton, inventor of the first Human Torch, hadn't perfected the solar gem tech, which was the reason why Jim Hammond, an artificial human, couldn't turn his flames off. Ultron took the technology and perfected it. (bear in mind Ultron has the mind of Henry Pym) I always liked the Vision, but could never exactly figure out if he was an original being, a replica of artificial Jim Hammond, or something else. He's kind of like Marvel's version of Hawkman.
I would have liked the solar beams to generate from the gem and from his eyes would be the "encephalo-ray" used to cause fear in his appearance and brainwash Hank Pym.
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Post by spiderwasp on Jul 30, 2012 15:48:25 GMT -5
I gotta agree fellas. It seems every new Avenger-to-be spanks the current roster, then joins up and they are suddenly less powerful. . This is not unique to the animated series however. Remember when Mantis swept the floor with everyone in her first appearance.
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Post by drew on Jul 30, 2012 17:00:31 GMT -5
Very true, Spiderwasp. I feel compelled to point out the Human Torch was a Marvel of modern science, but one that couldn't fully be controlled so there was an element of danger or fear about his existence. Namor was and is his same belligerent self. Marvel used to really dig it's sci-fi angle; now it's more about putting Wolverine and Spider-Man on every team.
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Post by ultron69 on Jul 31, 2012 7:43:13 GMT -5
I gotta agree fellas. It seems every new Avenger-to-be spanks the current roster, then joins up and they are suddenly less powerful. . This is not unique to the animated series however. Remember when Mantis swept the floor with everyone in her first appearance. Yeah, I think that's because Englehart, the guy who gay her whoop the Avengers, had created her, and really wanted to make her into a star. Didn't quite work out, though.
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Post by starfoxxx on Jul 31, 2012 17:52:53 GMT -5
This is not unique to the animated series however. Remember when Mantis swept the floor with everyone in her first appearance. Yeah, I think that's because Englehart, the guy who gay her whoop the Avengers, had created her, and really wanted to make her into a star. Didn't quite work out, though. I wasn't around back then, but as far as Mantis' popularity goes, I just imagine a Vietnamese heroic character might have been tough to sell in the early and mid 70s.
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Post by humanbelly on Jul 31, 2012 19:36:02 GMT -5
Yeah, I think that's because Englehart, the guy who gay her whoop the Avengers, had created her, and really wanted to make her into a star. Didn't quite work out, though. I wasn't around back then, but as far as Mantis' popularity goes, I just imagine a Vietnamese heroic character might have been tough to sell in the early and mid 70s. I have to say, while I can't speak for everyone, my buddy & I (and our loose confederacy of a few other interested souls) found the Viet Nam angle to be pretty cool. It gave the character and her story a much more palpable sense of "happening in the real world of today" since, through the 60's, WWII still seemed to be the most influential, concrete conflict of the Marvel Universe. MANY characters had roots that still stretched back to it-- Cap, of course; Nick Fury; Reed & Ben; T-Bolt Ross. And if it wasn't the Big One, then we were usually given a laughably stilted 50's-era Cold War scenario (Hulk, in particular). It even came across as a more current Viet Nam than the one Iron Man first emerged from. Mixed feelings on the character, sure. . . HB
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