kidcage
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Post by kidcage on Feb 5, 2010 15:22:34 GMT -5
If we have to pick two, then my picks go to:
Ms. Marvel and Spider-Man.
Ms Marvel since she's established, her solo title is ending but she still has a following, and she's always been good on the team. She'll balance out well.
Spider-Man. I don't necessarily WANT him on the team, but because 1) Bendis is writing the book and 2) it's about the "Heroic Age", I doubt Marvel will pass up the chance to put him on the team.
HOWEVER: Here are my other two "alternate" choices.
1) Black Widow: Since Iron Man 2 is coming up, along with the Avengers movie, and she's been showcased twice in promo art, there's a good chance she'll be on the team, either as an addition WITH Ms. Marvel or INSTEAD.
2) Hank Pym: With Mighty ending, and his character really being a focal point of that, it would only seem fitting for the Avengers to bring him in as part of the team.
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Post by Shiryu on Feb 5, 2010 16:23:42 GMT -5
My picks are Spider-Man and Mockingbird. Spider-Man because I don't think Bendis would go without him and his sales power. Mockingbird because I agree there is likely to be another woman, and, with Clint there, she could be a logical choice. EDIT: Ps, I forgot to say the lucky winner gets a AA no-prize banner with special graphics made by yours truly
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Post by freedomfighter on Feb 6, 2010 13:11:05 GMT -5
Is it just me or does Thor's new garb pretty much look like the Black Knight? Oh and back on the Ares thing, don't forget that most of the Gods have been portrayed as anywhere from minor league jerks to major league baddies by the writers at Marvel. Pluto, Aphrodite, Zeus have all been pretty mean and nasty. Venus is looking pretty mean in the latest Agents of Atlas series and Athena seems fairly manipulative in Hercules these days. Don't forget the Gods do sort of look at mortals like pets in a way, so meddling in their affairs seems divine right. It really doesn't seem out of character to me that when it comes to favored sons like Hercules that they act like jerks. Given Ares' naturally aggressive bent, it seems in line he would care little for people who exist for the length of a heartbeat in his mind. I suppose the Norse Gods do get better treatment but that's to be expected with the size of their cast. However, there are almost as many bad Gods as their are good ones. For every Thor, there's a Loki, for every Balder, a Tyr, for Sif an Enchantress, etc... I think when you've already got Thor and Hercules and to a lesser extent, Valkyrie adding more Gods to teams somewhat diffuses the awe factor of having a "God" on the roster.
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Post by scottharris on Feb 6, 2010 13:34:30 GMT -5
This discussion about Ares reminds me of a letter I wrote in to Avengers which was published in the letter column in issue #353. My complaint was in regards to Hera. You may recall that during the War on Olympus storyline in Avengers #281-285, Hera was very sympathetic in helping both the Avengers and Hercules. Yet in #348 (pr 349, I forget which), she shows up as a scheming, malicious witch who ends up headlining a plot to toy with Hercules by creating a "woman" for Hercules to fall in love with as part of a bet with other gods whether they can trick him or not.
I wrote in asking how these totally different characterizations could be reconciled, and their answer was "well, gods are capricious." Which I thought was a total cop out, to be honest, a feeling I still have. Now, I haven't read the Ares series where this change happened so I'm not in a position to judge whether it was random or actual development, but I too have some problems with him given every previous appearance of his I have ever read.
Incidentally, I also asked in the letter why Deatbird didn't have any problem working with Clint during Operation: Galactic Storm even though she vowed in #189 to gut him for kissing her after he captured her during their fight. They said she just didn't recognize him since he was in Goliath form. I thought that was also a little iffy, but at least I could buy it; I guess you don't expect people to show up 30 feet tall when you meet them again.
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Post by starfoxxx on Feb 6, 2010 16:48:24 GMT -5
1) Cap Bucky 2) Spider-Woman 3) Iron-Man 4) Hawkeye 5) Thor 6) ? 7) ? Two places to go... and the bets are on! For the first ufficial AA forum no-prize, who will be the last 2 members? 2 names only I say Ms Marvel (carol danvers) and Hank Pym (the new Wasp, tho i hate that whole idea).
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Post by Tana Nile on Feb 6, 2010 18:06:50 GMT -5
Who I would like to see on the team:
1) Hank Pym 2) She-Hulk
Who I think we will see on the team:
1) Spider-Man 2) Ms. Marvel
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Post by Ignore Me! on Feb 7, 2010 2:02:39 GMT -5
Somehow I don't see Pym on the new team. The BENDIS! has never written the character well and I get the impression he just doesn't like him.
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Post by Shiryu on Feb 7, 2010 5:34:55 GMT -5
I also think that Hank Pym is unlikely. MA's current writer has implied that he is still going to write him somewhere else and that he has big plans for him
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Doctor Bong
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Post by Doctor Bong on Feb 8, 2010 6:29:17 GMT -5
If I remember my mythology correctly, it was Athena who embodied those attributes of war which the greeks considered most noble and positive, while Ares, on the other hand embodied all those things which made war most terrible and destructive. In fact, there's an episode in the Iliad where some of the gods themselves fight each other, even as greeks and trojans were battling below. Athena, who favors the greeks, easily and soundly defeats Ares, who favors the trojans. But, as many of you have already pointed out, the MU versions of the different pantheons of gods don't necessarily match closely their "true" mythological counterparts.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Feb 8, 2010 6:44:31 GMT -5
Speaking of mythology, does anybody remember that episode from the original Spider-Man show where he fights a certain "Thor, god of thunder" who obviously had nothing to do with ol' Goldilocks...? I wonder if that episode was taken from an early story in Spidey's comics or if it was originally made for that show... . And, in case it did appear in the pages of his comic book, if this was ever explained.
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Post by goldenfist on Feb 8, 2010 13:47:01 GMT -5
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Post by starfoxxx on Feb 9, 2010 10:13:34 GMT -5
I'll stick to my original picks, but I forgot about the hype that's going to be swarming Black Widow with the new Iron Man movie. I wouldn't be surprised if Natasha shows up in EVERY Marvel comic around the movies release.
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Post by Shiryu on Feb 9, 2010 10:40:25 GMT -5
Speaking of mythology, does anybody remember that episode from the original Spider-Man show where he fights a certain "Thor, god of thunder" who obviously had nothing to do with ol' Goldilocks...? I wonder if that episode was taken from an early story in Spidey's comics or if it was originally made for that show... . And, in case it did appear in the pages of his comic book, if this was ever explained. I don't remember the episode, but I think Thor and Spidey debuted more or less at the same time, and there definitely isn't any Spidey comic with a Thor other than "our" Thor. But it's funny you should mention it, I vaguely remember the scan of a veeery old Batman comic where the DC-universe Thor makes an appearance, looking very viking-esque. I don't think he has been seen since though.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Feb 9, 2010 12:03:36 GMT -5
Speaking of mythology, does anybody remember that episode from the original Spider-Man show where he fights a certain "Thor, god of thunder" who obviously had nothing to do with ol' Goldilocks...? I wonder if that episode was taken from an early story in Spidey's comics or if it was originally made for that show... . And, in case it did appear in the pages of his comic book, if this was ever explained. I don't remember the episode, but I think Thor and Spidey debuted more or less at the same time, and there definitely isn't any Spidey comic with a Thor other than "our" Thor. But it's funny you should mention it, I vaguely remember the scan of a veeery old Batman comic where the DC-universe Thor makes an appearance, looking very viking-esque. I don't think he has been seen since though. This Thor that I'm talking about was very "vikingesque" as well, Siryu: he had a horned helmet, a long beard and wore tresses. He was also a giant. He had the power to materialize bolts of lightning at will, which he then would use as if they were throwing spears. He lived beyond the earthly realm with a bunch of other nordic deities.
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Post by sharkar on Feb 9, 2010 13:59:06 GMT -5
I don't remember the episode, but I think Thor and Spidey debuted more or less at the same time, and there definitely isn't any Spidey comic with a Thor other than "our" Thor. But it's funny you should mention it, I vaguely remember the scan of a veeery old Batman comic where the DC-universe Thor makes an appearance, looking very viking-esque. I don't think he has been seen since though. This Thor that I'm talking about was very "vikingesque" as well, Siryu: he had a horned helmet, a long beard and wore tresses. He was also a giant. He had the power to materialize bolts of lightning at will, which he then would use as if they were throwing spears. He lived beyond the earthly realm with a bunch of other nordic deities. I was trying to respond earlier but then my boss stopped by--the noive of him! ;D So I hope I can get this in now, before I'm rudely interrupted... Anyway, Bong, you're referring to the episode called "Thunder Rumble", from season 2. As far as I'm aware, while the first season relied on Spidey comics/Marvel Comics for source material, there was a management change for seasons 2 and 3 and Ralph Bakshi became the producer. From what I've read he didn't use the comics for many stories (except in a few episodes, such as a Spidey origin story)...so you had Spidey fighting some really atypical Spidey foes, such as the giant thunderbolt-hurling god you've described. Boy, I loved those Spider-Man and FF and Marvel Superheroes (Cap/Hulk/Iron Man/ Thor/Subby) cartoons; they're what got me interested in Marvel Comics. In particular, Spidey and Cap had the greatest theme songs, didn't they?? Heck, earlier on I was also a Woody Woodpecker cartoon fanatic, which naturally led me to the Woody comics. Oops, gotta cut my reverie short now, here comes my boss again...
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Post by goldenfist on Feb 9, 2010 14:17:35 GMT -5
I've watched the Sub-Mariner cartoon, Thor Cartoon and the Spider-Man cartoons. Those cartoons were great, Even one episode of Sub-Mariner Dr.Doom's Day the people doing the show couldn't get the rights to use the fantasic Four so they got the original X-MEN but they called them the allies for peace. Even Hawkeye was in the episode. Marvel still hasn't released the last two teasers yet they might wait a while until they released the same amout of teasers for the Secret Avengers. You can read this article about the New team at this link www.usatoday.com/life/comics/2010-01-27-marvel27_ST_N.htm?csp=usat.me
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Doctor Bong
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Post by Doctor Bong on Feb 9, 2010 15:08:06 GMT -5
This Thor that I'm talking about was very "vikingesque" as well, Siryu: he had a horned helmet, a long beard and wore tresses. He was also a giant. He had the power to materialize bolts of lightning at will, which he then would use as if they were throwing spears. He lived beyond the earthly realm with a bunch of other nordic deities. I was trying to respond earlier but then my boss stopped by--the noive of him! ;D So I hope I can get this in now, before I'm rudely interrupted... Anyway, Bong, you're referring to the episode called "Thunder Rumble", from season 2. As far as I'm aware, while the first season relied on Spidey comics/Marvel Comics for source material, there was a management change for seasons 2 and 3 and Ralph Bakshi became the producer. From what I've read he didn't use the comics for many stories (except in a few episodes, such as a Spidey origin story)...so you had Spidey fighting some really atypical Spidey foes, such as the giant thunderbolt-hurling god you've described. Boy, I loved those Spider-Man and FF and Marvel Superheroes (Cap/Hulk/Iron Man/ Thor/Subby) cartoons; they're what got me interested in Marvel Comics. In particular, Spidey and Cap had the greatest theme songs, didn't they?? Heck, earlier on I was also a Woody Woodpecker cartoon fanatic, which naturally led me to the Woody comics. Oops, gotta cut my reverie short now, here comes my boss again... Thanks for the info, sharkar. Clearly, you need to become the boss at your office to stop these most unwelcome interruptions! ;D
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Post by Doctor Bong on Feb 9, 2010 15:11:00 GMT -5
I'm liking this new IM armor I'm seeing in this promotional art a lot more than those he's been using in recent years, even if the helmet still seems to look a lot like the current one, at least in some of the art.
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Post by spiderwasp on Feb 9, 2010 22:52:25 GMT -5
1) Cap Bucky 2) Spider-Woman 3) Iron-Man 4) Hawkeye 5) Thor 6) ? 7) ? Two places to go... and the bets are on! For the first ufficial AA forum no-prize, who will be the last 2 members? 2 names only Gilgamesh and Deathcry Hey, I'm not buying it anyway so it would suit me just fine. ;D
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Post by squidboy on Feb 10, 2010 0:08:11 GMT -5
Spiderwasp, you made my day with that one!
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Post by humanbelly on Feb 10, 2010 6:54:54 GMT -5
Boy, I loved those Spider-Man and FF and Marvel Superheroes (Cap/Hulk/Iron Man/ Thor/Subby) cartoons; they're what got me interested in Marvel Comics. In particular, Spidey and Cap had the greatest theme songs, didn't they?? Heck, earlier on I was also a Woody Woodpecker cartoon fanatic, which naturally led me to the Woody comics. Oops, gotta cut my reverie short now, here comes my boss again... Aaaaaaaaand now Sharkar's probably fired, and we're gonna have to start a legal defense fund for her, or something. Man, you hate to see that sort of thing. Perhaps if we all buy one less comic book a month, and send the proceeds to her. . . ? (Actually, that would now add up to a pretty hefty sum. Perhaps there's a significant tax break lurking here. Hmm. . . ) HB
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Post by sharkar on Feb 10, 2010 11:53:19 GMT -5
Aaaaaaaaand now Sharkar's probably fired, and we're gonna have to start a legal defense fund for her, or something. Man, you hate to see that sort of thing. Perhaps if we all buy one less comic book a month, and send the proceeds to her. . . ? LOL!!! You are too generous, HB! ;D But you did get me thinking: if I just bought just one less tpb collection per month...and one less Masterworks per month...and perhaps one less comic (let's say, Realm of Kings) per month...well then, maybe I wouldn't have to work (got to support my habit somehow y'know!).
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Post by sharkar on Feb 10, 2010 12:00:59 GMT -5
Clearly, you need to become the boss at your office to stop these most unwelcome interruptions! ;D Hey, I like the way you think, Bong...and I'll exalt you as soon as I figure out which of your multiple identities to exalt! BTW, the huge snowstorm finally made its way here, so we have a "snow day" (excused absence) at work. Not many peoole showed up today. But did that stop good ol' reliable Sharkar? Nope, I am here as usual...yep, good ol' reliable stupid Sharkar (and of course, who else made in, despite the elements? My boss )
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Post by sharkar on Feb 10, 2010 12:11:24 GMT -5
I've watched the Sub-Mariner cartoon, Thor Cartoon and the Spider-Man cartoons. Those cartoons were great, Even one episode of Sub-Mariner Dr.Doom's Day the people doing the show couldn't get the rights to use the fantastic Four so they got the original X-MEN but they called them the allies for peace. Even Hawkeye was in the episode. Yep, you're right, Goldenfist. The Namor "Dr. Doom's Day" episode was cobbled together from elements contained in Fantastic Four #6 and Fantastic Four Annual #3. Here's the episode (two parts; and even though the FF don't appear, for the reason Goldenfist mentioned, in part 2 at 2:19 you'll see their "4" emblem-- from a panel in FF #6):
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Post by sharkar on Feb 10, 2010 12:40:53 GMT -5
I don't remember the episode, but I think Thor and Spidey debuted more or less at the same time... Yep, both characters debuted in comics cover-dated August 1962 (released in June 1962). And it was a triple play, because that same month (June '62 release), Marvel/Goodman's comics company also gave us Ant-Man (the previously-introduced Hank Pym, now sporting a superhero costume/identity). What a fertile period for Marvel! But it's funny you should mention it, I vaguely remember the scan of a veeery old Batman comic where the DC-universe Thor makes an appearance, looking very viking-esque. I don't think he has been seen since though. Right again, Shiryu; Thor appeared in a Batman story in 1959 (below). And a couple of years later, Superman's pal Jimmy Olsen did a stint as "Jimmy the Red, Thor's Best Pal" in JO's own comic. Per the Jack Kirby Collector #44 (and to be expected, since "Thor" is in the public domain): Ditko, Kirby, and many others had their own versions of Thor too, prior to the creation of the Thor we all know and love (1962 Lee/Kirby/Lieber version). EDIT: reloaded Batman cover ink
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Post by sharkar on Feb 10, 2010 12:52:27 GMT -5
In terms of the last 2 slots on the Avengers roster: I was going to say Steed and Mrs. Peel. Well, I guess they have about as good a shot of making the team as, say, Sersi and Wanda (two of my favorite characters).
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Post by goldenfist on Feb 10, 2010 13:07:50 GMT -5
Sersi would be great but then again she wouldn't go back to earth because of the registration act.
Unless Iron Man will ask her to come back.
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Doctor Bong
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Post by Doctor Bong on Feb 10, 2010 14:38:02 GMT -5
Clearly, you need to become the boss at your office to stop these most unwelcome interruptions! ;D Hey, I like the way you think, Bong...and I'll exalt you as soon as I figure out which of your multiple identities to exalt! BTW, the huge snowstorm finally made its way here, so we have a "snow day" (excused absence) at work. Not many peoole showed up today. But did that stop good ol' reliable Sharkar? Nope, I am here as usual...yep, good ol' reliable stupid Sharkar (and of course, who else made in, despite the elements? My boss ) That's me, Sharkar, the Hank Pym of AA! Just call me "Geek Supreme", thank you very much...! ;D
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Post by sharkar on Feb 12, 2010 12:34:53 GMT -5
And #7-- you know what? I bet it's going to be some out-of-the-blue, long-forgotten or never-heard-of "pet" character that BMB will want to build up into the next new big thing... I think Marvel has already explored the "pet" path... ;D marvel.com/catalog/?id=14874So we're getting an first-string Avengers team...and there's also going to be a Secret Avengers assemblage...and there's even a Pet Avengers. What can we expect next from the House of Ideas- -a Legion of Substitute Avengers? Memo to Marvel: Weisinger already did this sort of stuff fifty years ago!!
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Post by sharkar on Feb 12, 2010 15:23:30 GMT -5
That's me, Sharkar, the Hank Pym of AA! Just call me "Geek Supreme", thank you very much...! ;D LOL! Well then, Sir Geek Supreme--er, I mean, ua2 --I mean, Dr. Bong I--or is it Dr. Bong II, or -- oh, never mind! It's all so confusing! Anyway-- consider yourself exalted, my friend!
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