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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 17, 2007 18:28:13 GMT -5
I bought a collection of Cap on DVD a little while back. (I didn't know at this point that there was a movement with people scanning comic collections.) Anyhow, this was a collection that a group scanned and made available on Ebay.
Is this something Marvel should be objecting to? Especially people selling these collections. I love mine, but I wonder about the legality in people collecting these and selling them.
What are your thoughts?
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Post by The Night Phantom on Mar 17, 2007 18:32:56 GMT -5
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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 17, 2007 18:41:30 GMT -5
that's what i would think. But theree are guys that are advertising complete scanned sets of EVERYTHING you can imagine in Marvel and DC, even some others. Complete sets.
Isn't Ebay bound in any way against pirated material?
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Post by dlw66 on Mar 17, 2007 19:46:34 GMT -5
Phantom -- thanks for that information!! I have been eagerly awaiting these new collections. I'm not a Hulk fan, but I will be purchasing at some point all of the others.
And nutcase -- although I am sure (shiryu has verified as much) that the fans marketing the bootleg DVDs have been more inclusive than the folks at Gitcorp (concerning crossovers, giant-size, etc.), Marvel would still protest, yeah...
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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 17, 2007 20:34:16 GMT -5
inclusive is right. They put a whole bunch of stff on this disk.
I went back onton ebay to try to find the supplier and cant find them anywhere and they are listed as 'not a registered user'
So I guess Ebay does have a little oversight in the matter.
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Post by Shiryu on Mar 20, 2007 11:49:18 GMT -5
Yep, it's fully illegal, just like copying a cd and selling the copy. The fact they are actually selling them, and therefore gaining money, should give Marvel the option to sue them and win easily. Was it for free, it would have been somewhat different, more like having a friend borrowing your comics. I don't know how it is in the USA, but in Italy it's only a crime if there is economical gain from the copying. This being said, it can also be the only way to get hold of long lost series without having to sell a kidney to afford them  |
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Post by The Night Phantom on Mar 20, 2007 18:17:35 GMT -5
Yep, it's fully illegal, just like copying a cd and selling the copy. The fact they are actually selling them, and therefore gaining money, should give Marvel the option to sue them and win easily. Was it for free, it would have been somewhat different, more like having a friend borrowing your comics. I don't know how it is in the USA, but in Italy it's only a crime if there is economical gain from the copying. I would say it’s not like having a friend borrow the comics. In the borrowing scenario, there’s only one copy (exemplar) involved, and so the license (usually implied) to make use of the single copy is used by only one person at a time (unless they sit really close to one another). In the duplication scenario, two or more copies can be used simultaneously, even though the single-use license has been legitimately granted but once. If Italian law does allow rampant copying without financial gain, I would say the law is short-sighted and/or politically designed to thumb a nose at some group or other (probably a real or perceived group of wealthy and powerful persons). The legal purpose of copyright is to protect the interests of the creator of a work. (In the case of Marvel comics, generally the comics stories are works for hire, with Marvel itself being considered the “creator” for legal purposes.) Usually the interests come down one way or another to money, though other interests can apply; for example, the copyright’s owner (not necessarily the original legal creator) may wish to end distribution of a work considered outmoded, inaccurate, or embarrassing. But even sticking just to the financial side of matters, it’s easy to see how unauthorized copying can hurt the legal copyright owner’s interests even when there is no exchange of money. For example, suppose I start a comic, owned by me, called The Night Phantom’s Adventures in Forumland, and Marvel gets its mitts on a copy and starts offering it as a gratis dot-comics download. If my potential audience decides to start downloading it from marvel.com for free instead of paying $3–4 per copy, my venture will almost certainly be ruined, even though there is no financial gain for Marvel—at least, not directly. (Marvel might gain in that it has squashed a competitor.) In the US, such a scenario is legally wrongful; cf. the RIAA’s legal campaign against peer-to-peer music sharing. |
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Post by Shiryu on Mar 21, 2007 18:41:31 GMT -5
I half-agree with you there. The reason I compared borrowing to getting hold of a scanned copy is that, in both cases, if you want your own issue on paper you have to buy it, but if you are happy with an unperfect version (on file for a scan, to read just once or twice for a borrowed comic), that's the way to go.
As for the issue of copyright breaching, a few research proved that downloading music, within certain limits, increases the notoriety of the artist/author. Basically, the idea is that some products are so ridicolously expensive in these days that people are not likely to buy them without trying them first. Once the voice spreads, all those who prefer to own the original product for different reasons (support the artist, have a copy on paper etc) buy it.
Clearly, this is only valid up to a point. With everyone downloading and no one buying, everything would fail (and there wouldn't be anything to download anymore anyway ^^)
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