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Post by sharkar on Feb 26, 2008 20:55:43 GMT -5
The Widow's original costume is actually pretty interesting. Not as sexy as the later Romita-designed catsuit, but it has some details that are attractive. It seems to be somewhat based on the Black Canary's costume...ahh, where would comics be without amorous archers and their fish-netted femmes? In the Tales of Suspense story in which Natasha unveils her BW costume for the first time, as she tries to convince Hawkeye to aid her in her nefarious schemes (again), she mentions that she designed her mask to look like his (and that seems to sway him to join her)!
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Post by Tana Nile on Feb 27, 2008 14:02:03 GMT -5
The fishnets definitely remind me of the Canary. I'm not a Golden Age fan but I wonder if fishnets were seen on any other female crime fighters from that time period?
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Post by dlw66 on Feb 27, 2008 18:16:50 GMT -5
The first character who came to mind was the Golden Age Black Cat. Alas, she didn't wear the fishnets -- she wore nothin' at all!!!! On her legs, that is.
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Post by sharkar on Feb 28, 2008 22:53:40 GMT -5
I'm not a Golden Age fan but I wonder if fishnets were seen on any other female crime fighters from that time period? I know...fishnets were the Golden Age Black Canary's main claim to fame, so you'd think there would have been numerous other heroines (or villainesses) in fishnets, in an attempt to copy a successful formula. But I have never seen any others preceding, or contemporaneous with, Black Canary; or many since, with the obvious exceptions of Zatanna and Natasha. Gene Colan drew Jan in a strange costume in a 1969 Cap issue; she looks like she's wearing fishnets (or a mesh bodysuit/leotard under a tunic). I'm think I've seen fishnets on a minor villainess (Silver Age and after) here and there...and even Lois sported these at times during her mod phase! EDIT:Does anyone else know of any other characters (mainstream or obscure) who wore fishnets as part of their costume, from the Golden, Silver, or Bronze Ages?
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Post by sharkar on Feb 28, 2008 23:15:02 GMT -5
It is still my intent, before I pass from this life, to read the copy of "Comics Gone Ape" that I purchased at last August's Chicago con. How's this going, dlw? Here's a couple of things I came across recently that me laugh...this must be in Michael Eury's book, but would you believe DC actually devoted a Special to this phenomenon as late as 1975? In fact, they revived their dormant DC Special title to do this; DC Special #16 even includes the Wonder Woman story I mentioned earlier (it's a collection of reprints). DC was relentless and so a year later, in '76, they gave us this gem: a one-shot, the first issue (and as far as I know, the last) of Super-Heroes Battle Super-Gorillas! (Another collection of reprints.) Unfortunately, neither collection contains the Hawkman stories...
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Post by Tana Nile on Feb 29, 2008 9:37:02 GMT -5
I actually have that second issue pictured...at the time, it seemed like a fantastic concept! But I guess DC knew what they were doing -the gorilla on the cover definitely drew my young eye!
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Post by dlw66 on Feb 29, 2008 13:25:53 GMT -5
I liked the late '70's/early '80's when DC put out the Dollar Comics -- huge volumes with new and reprint material.
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Post by dlw66 on Mar 4, 2008 14:28:48 GMT -5
For those of you who bought (or wished you had) Alter Ego #74, the Stan Lee 85th birthday issue, what's your opinion on the various interviews with Stan? I am only through the first one, conducted in 1965. I, like the interviewer in his introduction, found that version of Stan Lee to be so much different from what we know today. His comments about Jack Kirby were refreshing, and his take on the industry of that day was enlightening as well.
Definitely a worthwhile purchase; I'd add that TwoMorrows offers a .pdf version for only $2.95 on their website if you only want to read and not actually own the book.
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Post by von Bek on Mar 10, 2008 16:49:08 GMT -5
Do you guys (and girls) know anything about an artist named Rudy D. Nebres? Some great Iron Fist Pin Ups in Deadly Hands of Kung Fu, impressive art.
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Post by dlw66 on Mar 10, 2008 19:33:04 GMT -5
All I know of him is that he was included among the fantastic Filipino artists who made their fame in the Marvel and DC Bronze Age -- guys like Alfredo Alcala, Tony DeZuniga, etc.
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Post by sharkar on Mar 10, 2008 19:50:35 GMT -5
Do you guys (and girls) know anything about an artist named Rudy D. Nebres? Some great Iron Fist Pin Ups in Deadly Hands of Kung Fu, impressive art. I know next to nothing about him so I just did some online searches. Some of his work reminds me of Buscema/Frazetta....in other words, not too shabby! Thanks, von bek.
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Post by dlw66 on Mar 11, 2008 13:39:05 GMT -5
Which writer/artist combination from the Silver/Bronze Ages really brings back fond memories for you? Was it Thomas/Buscema? Lee/Kirby/Sinnott? Lee/Romita? Claremont/Byrne (OK, I may be stretching the limits of the Bronze Age with that one...)? How about the various collaborations of Englehart/S. Buscema? O'Neil/Adams? Thomas/Adams? Lee/Ditko?
I'll write about two --
From the perspective of "living it", I will have to say Claremont/Byrne in the All-New, All-Different X-Men, circa #108-130 (that's when high school began for me). While I really liked Dave Cockrum's X-Men (I came to the Legion right after he left the book), it was Byrne who injected a new dynamism to the characters. With his unmistakable elongated forms, Byrne nonetheless brought a depth, even at times a massiveness to his characters. The second battle with Magneto that segued into the Savage Land was a high point -- lots of drama, good cliffhangers -- basically everything you'd want. Claremont was sharp in his storytelling, ably using existing characters while creating just enough of his own to keep the book fresh. Mesmero, Magneto, Sauron, and Mastermind were all used perfectly. I only wish I'd stayed with comics another year so that I could have experienced The Dark Phoenix Saga on the newstands!
For belated discovery, I have a hard time choosing between the Lee/Kirby/Sinnott Fantastic Four and the Lee/Romita Amazing Spider-Man. To see the Marvel Universe unfold in its cosmic sense (FF) and its character-driven stories (ASM) is just a joy. Stan was so versatile in the scope of his stories as well as his dialogue. His artists knew how to tell stories and all the creators brought a sense of "here's why you should care" to the page. Resources like the dvd-roms, the Essentials, and the Masterworks are such great things to own!
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Post by Commander Benson on Mar 11, 2008 16:12:35 GMT -5
Which writer/artist combination from the Silver/Bronze Ages really brings back fond memories for you? Initially, I misread your question as "penciller/inker" combinations, and there were a number of those from the Silver Age that evoke fond memories; that would have expanded this post considerably. But once my brain neurons stopped misfiring, and I saw what you really asked--writer/artist combos are a completely different thing--that narrowed down the field considerably. There are several excellent Silver-Age writers--Gardner Fox, John Broome, Edmond Hamilton, Arnold Drake, Stan Lee--but I don't generally associate them as teamed with any particular artist . . . with one exception. Gardner Fox and Mike Sekowsky on Justice League of America. That was my favourite Silver-Age title and the pair that instantly bespeaks the Silver Age whenever I see their work on that title. The fact that they had an unbroken run of sixty-three stories on JLA certainly solidifies that feeling. That's why, for me, there were no more real Justice League stories after JLA # 63 (Jun., 1968), the last issue they did together.
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Post by Tana Nile on Mar 14, 2008 8:41:08 GMT -5
Which writer/artist combination from the Silver/Bronze Ages really brings back fond memories for you? The first combo that popped into my head was Lee/Romita on Amazing SPider-Man. Although I first encountered these stories in the Marvel Tales reprint book, they had such vitality and charm that they made much more of an impression on me than the ASM title that was out at the time.
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Post by von Bek on Mar 14, 2008 10:41:45 GMT -5
Which writer/artist combination from the Silver/Bronze Ages really brings back fond memories for you? Thomas/Adams X-Men. Great concepts, great stories and Neal Adams art. ´Nuff said Mantlo/Sal Buscema on Hulk and Rom. Lee/John Buscema on Thor. And speaking about the Silver/Bronze Age(s): www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=006561
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Post by Tana Nile on Mar 14, 2008 15:03:00 GMT -5
Which writer/artist combination from the Silver/Bronze Ages really brings back fond memories for you? Thomas/Adams X-Men. Great concepts, great stories and Neal Adams art. ´Nuff said Mantlo/Sal Buscema on Hulk and Rom. Lee/John Buscema on Thor. And speaking about the Silver/Bronze Age(s): www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=006561Thanks for the link; I actually attended that panel but got there late (about the point when Roy Thomas fielded that Star Wars question). So now I know what went on before! The talk about Stan's toupee was priceless!
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Post by dlw66 on Mar 14, 2008 21:40:48 GMT -5
The talk about Stan's toupee was priceless! There is a lot of talk about Stan's dome in A/E #74 (which I'll recommend again!!).
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Post by Tana Nile on Mar 17, 2008 16:55:55 GMT -5
Something I wanted to mention previously: I also consider the Claremont/Byrne X-Men as a defining run. However, over the years I've come to think of it as the Claremont/Byrne/Austin run, because I think Terry Austin's contributions to the art were just huge. When I saw some of Austin's own work, it immediately took me back to those X-Men issues. Even his work on other artists, like Marshall Rogers, shows a very strong (some might say over-powering) inker. But his linework is so distinctive that I feel it gave the book a certain look it might not have had otherwise - similar to Joe Sinnott inking Kirby on FF.
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Post by sharkar on Mar 18, 2008 18:09:36 GMT -5
Do you guys (and girls) know anything about an artist named Rudy D. Nebres? Some great Iron Fist Pin Ups in Deadly Hands of Kung Fu, impressive art. The other day I came across some repros of Nebres' inks on Infantino and Adams...he has a great line and enhanced their work nicely. As you stated- -impressive!
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Post by Tana Nile on Mar 19, 2008 10:57:48 GMT -5
The thing that really stuck out to me about the large number of Filipino artists who appeared in the 70s was that most of them seemed to be very heavy inkers. They all seemed to follow a similar pattern of brushwork, laying down very thick lines and often times a lot of them. Some of the work was just too ornate for my tastes. I am thinking specifically about a lot of the Conan stuff, including the black and white magazines.
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Post by dlw66 on Mar 19, 2008 12:02:50 GMT -5
Let's try this new game -- we'll call it "artist switch". Think of any era you recall fondly, any book, any publisher. Which other Silver Age artist would you have liked to have seen drawing the exact same script?
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Post by von Bek on Mar 19, 2008 12:23:57 GMT -5
Let's try this new game -- we'll call it "artist switch". Think of any era you recall fondly, any book, any publisher. Which other Silver Age artist would you have liked to have seen drawing the exact same script? Nick Cardy drawing the Kooky quartet era of the Avengers. Wallace Wood drawing Iron Man.
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Post by Tana Nile on Mar 19, 2008 12:42:10 GMT -5
Dick Dillin drawing the Englehart era Avengers.
John Buscema on the JLA - any era!
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Post by dlw66 on Mar 19, 2008 13:17:50 GMT -5
Joe Kubert on Daredevil
Murphy Anderson or Nick Cardy on the X-Men
Neal Adams on the FF
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Post by Commander Benson on Mar 19, 2008 23:38:57 GMT -5
Others will occur to me later, no doubt, but at first blush, I would've like to see (speaking to the Silver Age, of course) . . . .
Nick Cardy, on Challengers of the Unknown
Alex Toth, on Green Lantern and Blackhawk
Jim Steranko, on Wonder Woman
John Buscema, on The Doom Patrol
Wally Wood, on Nick Fury/S.H.I.E.L.D.
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Post by sharkar on Mar 24, 2008 18:59:43 GMT -5
Think of any era you recall fondly, any book, any publisher. Which other Silver Age artist would you have liked to have seen drawing the exact same script? ...Nick Cardy drawing the Kooky quartet era of the Avengers... ...Murphy Anderson or Nick Cardy on the X-Men... ...Nick Cardy, on Challengers of the Unknown...Have to agree with everyone on Cardy- -a wonderful artist with an idiosyncratic style. He did Aquaman for a while; just imagine him on the Silver Age Sub-Mariner!
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Post by dlw66 on Mar 24, 2008 20:00:06 GMT -5
Have to agree with everyone on Cardy- -a wonderful artist with an idiosyncratic style. He did Aquaman for a while; just imagine him on the Silver Age Sub-Mariner! There's a little Cardy art on display in this month's Back Issue. Also, for a great Teen Titans cover and sketchbook, check out the recent Teen Titans: The Lost Annual!
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Post by sharkar on Mar 24, 2008 20:19:21 GMT -5
Think of any era you recall fondly, any book, any publisher. Which other Silver Age artist would you have liked to have seen drawing the exact same script? The rest of you have already mentioned some fantastic artists, such as Buscema (of course!), Cardy, Wood, and others. Here are my "wish list" artists/series: Jack Kirby on the Silver Age Legion (when they were in Adventure). Jack and 30th century technology/costumes/effects--a match made in heaven. Sinnott would have to be the inker, of course; or if Joe was unavailable, then George Klein (obviously, before Klein's untimely passing). Hmmm...I wonder if the Superboy faces would have been redrawn? Based on his depictions of Medusa and the brooding Black Bolt in the Medusa one-shot ( Marvel Super-Heroes #15), I would liked to have seen Gene Colan tackle the Silver Age X-Men. He would have imparted the necessary uniqueness and strangeness to the team that was missing during the Werner Roth/Don Heck days.
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Post by Tana Nile on Apr 1, 2008 15:31:45 GMT -5
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 1, 2008 15:46:56 GMT -5
Is that Tana Nile in the top left corner?
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