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Post by greggallinson on Feb 13, 2006 5:03:24 GMT -5
Let's say Joe Quesada is overthrown in a bloodless coup. Marvel's new EIC contacts you to write the Avengers. What would you do? Who would be in your initial line-up? What would the tone of the series be?
An idea I've had for a few years now is the Avengers as a worldwide police force- sort of a Hill Street Blues meets The Authority. There are branches all over the US and the rest of world, as well as a cosmos-spanning "Infinity" team (it doesn't have to necessarily be the team seen in Avengers Infinity, but that would be cool). The Avengers New York branch under the leadership of Captain America would be the nominal focus of the book, but you could also dip into the other branches from time to time as well. That's what I'd do...how about you?
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Post by Shiryu on Feb 14, 2006 11:10:36 GMT -5
Hmm, I would use the return of Thor to bring the Avengers back to their classic self. My line up would be Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Spidey, Wasp, Ms. Marvel and may be Black Knight or Goliath, and I would try to slowly bring back Hawkeye, Scarlet and Vision.
Another definitive point would be an issue to make the characters not just be Avengers, but feel Avengers again.
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Post by assembler on Feb 14, 2006 22:29:00 GMT -5
Hmmm, I've never really given it any thought, but I guess first thing I'd do is fix a few mistakes I feel Bendis made. Return of the mansion is a big one.
Second, build them up to being THE superhero franchise. I thought World Trust was a great story made the Avengers truly seem like they WERE the most important people on Earth.
And finally, I'd just have to load the roster with characters I personally think make the best and most interesting Avengers:
Captain America, Iron Man, Giant-Woman, Hawkeye, Wonder Man, Ms.Marvel, She-Hulk, Spider-Man, Silverclaw (I have a softspot for her. I know she isn't one of the big guns on the roster, but I say she has potential), The Beast (I'd also ditch that lionman nonsense), and Jocasta (I really don't know that much about the character, I'll admit, but I find her fascinating, as a weird amalgamation of a mother to and daughter of Ultron. I'd love to research her past a little and try to come up with a few interesting stories involving her and Jan).
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Post by dlw66 on Feb 24, 2006 13:54:10 GMT -5
Start from scratch (and forgive me if one character in particular is dead -- I probably need to buy the new Handbook Marvel is publishing!!):
Captain America
Iron Man
Yellowjacket (Pym)
Wasp
Vision
Scarlet Witch
and...
Black Goliath!!! (although these days a more politically correct name would probably be in order!)
Agree with returning the mansion -- like some of the other ideas above about branches, but some of what has been written sounds sort of like the current Ultimates storyline...
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Post by imperiusrex on Apr 2, 2006 0:24:00 GMT -5
I would use the Bendis storyline as a jumping off point to explain how everything has gone askew. after all, the Avengers have gone from fighting cosmic menaces to letting the scarlet witch disappear, old members not invited anywhere the new team and having to fight ninjas for two issues.
seems like someone who has issues with the team has gone out of their way to reduce them to a shell of what they once were. any number of foes could've done this and I'd love to have the Avengers figure out that one of their enemies is actually behind the team virtually disappearing and becoming this barely able to take on the wrecker group of loners. really the new members cage, sentry, both spiders and wolverine are hardly the most tight knit group you'll ever see and could disband at a moment's notice. I don't see any loyalty in this group and that would fit the m.o. of someone who wants the Avengers to be a forgotten legacy...
hopefully this story would allow for undoing so many of the inconsistent and uneven roads that Bendis has been tarveling down since the very first page he wrote.
as for further direction, the Avengers are the a-team, they are the Thanos beaters, the Kree scourge and the bane of villains everywhere. that's enough for me with some good personal stories thrown in.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Apr 2, 2006 19:48:25 GMT -5
Black Goliath!!! (although these days a more politically correct name would probably be in order!) At the Thing’s suggestion, he did take a “non-ethnic” monicker (“Giant-Man”) waaaaaay back in Marvel Two-in-One #55 (1979!)...but since Bill Foster seldom makes appearances, costumed or otherwise, it’s easy to overlook the change. |
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Post by The Night Phantom on Apr 2, 2006 19:53:57 GMT -5
seems like someone who has issues with the team has gone out of their way to reduce them to a shell of what they once were. any number of foes could've done this and I'd love to have the Avengers figure out that one of their enemies is actually behind the team virtually disappearing and becoming this barely able to take on the wrecker group of loners. ... Hm...someone who wants to destroy, humiliate, and erase the Avengers altogether...someone with vast power akin to magic, if not magic itself...someone like— Loki?!? |
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Post by Avenger4Ever on Apr 3, 2006 17:10:53 GMT -5
seems like someone who has issues with the team has gone out of their way to reduce them to a shell of what they once were. any number of foes could've done this and I'd love to have the Avengers figure out that one of their enemies is actually behind the team virtually disappearing and becoming this barely able to take on the wrecker group of loners. ... Hm...someone who wants to destroy, humiliate, and erase the Avengers altogether...someone with vast power akin to magic, if not magic itself...someone like— Loki?!?Or a comic book writer named Bendis?  A4E |
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Post by imperiusrex on Apr 3, 2006 21:56:35 GMT -5
... Hm...someone who wants to destroy, humiliate, and erase the Avengers altogether...someone with vast power akin to magic, if not magic itself...someone like— Loki?!?Or a comic book writer named Bendis? A4E Either option leaves me with chills down my spine... |
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Post by jkemble on Apr 4, 2006 23:46:17 GMT -5
bendis = loki
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Post by imperiusrex on Apr 6, 2006 22:08:43 GMT -5
No, I've seen Loki show some compassion once or twice... Okay, too easy even for me. |
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 7, 2006 21:33:43 GMT -5
Black Goliath!!! (although these days a more politically correct name would probably be in order!) At the Thing’s suggestion, he did take a “non-ethnic” monicker (“Giant-Man”) waaaaaay back in Marvel Two-in-One #55 (1979!)...but since Bill Foster seldom makes appearances, costumed or otherwise, it’s easy to overlook the change. Yep -- I think I might have even had that issue! Didn't he switch to a white and blue suit, a little different from the original blue and yellow one? I have a page of original art from Avengers 36 (I think) -- the first appearance of the Living Laser! I have the 3/4 splash where the Laser makes his big entrance, ripping through the ceiling of Bill Foster's lab! Fortunately Goliath is there to get Bill to safety and kick some butt at the same time!! |
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Post by The Night Phantom on Apr 8, 2006 1:23:39 GMT -5
At the Thing’s suggestion, he did take a “non-ethnic” monicker (“Giant-Man”) waaaaaay back in Marvel Two-in-One #55 (1979!)...but since Bill Foster seldom makes appearances, costumed or otherwise, it’s easy to overlook the change. Yep -- I think I might have even had that issue! Didn't he switch to a white and blue suit, a little different from the original blue and yellow one? That would be the one. Maybe in your Avengers line-up, he could emulate Dr. Pym further: by changing his codename and costume yet again!  |
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Post by jkemble on Apr 11, 2006 23:15:53 GMT -5
wow!
now that's a fan boy question!
here's my dream team!
The Genoshan Avengers.
Wasp
Yellow Jacket
Wonder Man
Beast
Ms. Marvel
Jocasta
She Hulk
Here's the concept:
Magneto and his royal family have got Genosha up and running.
but it is a kind of restless land, where the UN goes unrecognized.
As emesaries of peace, Magneto grants a small group of Avengers
asylum in the Avengers Embassy in the capitol city of Hammer Bay.
Wasp, team leader
Yellow Jacket, resident scientiest
Beast, biologist specaizing in the x gene
She Hulk, international and even cosmic lawyer
Wonder Man, muscle with a great stage prescence
Ms. Marvel, muscle with a great stage prescence
Jacosta, something to do with Magneto / Pym
Plenty of room for drama, action, and comidy!
a little later I would add Tigra (and her funky genetics)
and send them up against the High Evolutionary.
The book would have a global feel, as the GA follows the
"evil tendrils" of terrorism around the globe, and eventually
into space. Back on the home front, tensions mount between
the Genoshian Royal Family ( Magneto, Vision, Scarlet Witch, QuickSilver,
Polaris and Havok) and Wonder Man starts to suspect a connection
between the "zombified" Vision and Jocosta.
Next: Crystal and the "other" Royal Family.
Villians include:
the Brotherhood ( Genosha )
Mr. Sinister ( England )
Apokolips ( Africa )
High Evolutionary ( Mt. Wondagore )
Maximus ( the Moon ) guest starring the Watcher
...then, maybe cross-time.
fanboy me!
peace!
j.
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Post by jkemble on Apr 12, 2006 10:58:56 GMT -5
The first year would go something like this:
Issue 1) No sooner do the Avengers move into their new mansion, the Avengers Embassy, and meet their new maid, Nanny (a robot who looks mighty familiar to the Beast), that a bomb goes off in capitol city Hammer Bay resulting in innocent lives being lost. This causes the Genoshan public to view the Avengers with suspicion, and gives the Avengers their first case.
Issue 2) After reviewing the tapes, Hank Pym discovers something that leads the Avengers to the Brotherhood, a group working black ops for Magneto himself (including: Mystique, Blink, Toad, the new Master Mind, Avalanche and a re-powered Blob) who are also working the case. But, in true super hero action, they lead with their fists. After words, Mystique, feeling a new respect for the Wasp, gives her a new lead: Sinister. Jan places a phone call to England.
Issue 3) Arriving in London, the Genoshan Avengers (sans Hank and Hank, who stay behind at the Embassy) meet up with Tigra, who has been doing recon on Sinister. Unknown to Tigra, Sabretooth and the Marauders have been following Tigra and after sizing up the mostly female group of heros, Sabretooth decides to attack at the airport. The battle rages. Unfortunately for the Marauders, it is a short, but fierce battle as they have under estimated the sheer power of Wonder Man, Ms. Marvel and She Hulk. The Avengers wait around for the proper authorities.
Issue 4) Through the dark streets of London the Avengers follow Tigra, to a really run down, dilapidated ally, and into the final confrontation with Mr. Sinister. What Sinister encounter is a cloning facility way below London streets. Without the Hanks around, they don't realize it at first. But Sinister and the Dark Beast step out of the shadows and in very mellow dramatic ways, explain everything, alternate realities, clones, Nate Grey, the Age of Apokolips, survivors, "new" science. Evidently, the Dark Beast has had some kind of influence on Mr. Sinister. A shouting match occurs, Jan learns that Sinister had nothing to do with the bombing of Genosha, and when Sinister leaves and blows up his lab the Avengers let him escape.
Issue 5&6 ) So, then it's off to Africa, following on the slightest lead, maybe Apokolips. The team knows that it is a weak lead, and mostly just want to get back to Genosha. But, the Wasp is in charge, so she calls the Embassy for more clues. The Hanks have info on the bomb, it looks like parts where made out of material found on the coast of Africa, the side that faces Genosha. Also, there has been a regime change on that same stretch of coastal land. A warlord has taken the beach, and is fighting constant skirmishes with the surrounding lands. As the Avengers find out, it's really Apokolips, and he did indeed bomb Genosha to have a psychological effect on it's people because he plans on taking over Genosha, the promised land. Then the four horsemen attack, then Apokolips gets into it, just when it looks like evil will triumph, Ultron drops out of the sky and lands on Apokolips, a real fierce battle ensues, everything is getting smashed, Avengers are trying to get in shots, but still fighting the Four Horsemen, so they divert their attention to trying to stay alive and defeat the Horsemen, which they do by teamwork, and as they turn around, they see Ultron on the ground with Apokolips over him, ready to deliver the death blow, a shot of plasma shoots down from the ceiling and takes out Apokolips. It's the Genoshan Royal Family: Havok, Polaris, Scarlet Witch, Quick Silver and Xorn (actually, it's Joseph, Magneto's synth-clone) Ultron was under Polaris and Xorn's control the whole time. Royal Family shock troop. They take Apokolips (who actually escapes them soon after that) and leave the Genoshan Avengers to make sure the Four Horsemen get to the proper authorities (who ever that is in a war torn country..)
And that would be the first half year!
Thanks for letting me post here, sorry it's too long
and bad spelling and all. That's why I stopped half way.
peace!
j.
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Post by fourcolorfigs on Apr 17, 2006 13:23:57 GMT -5
wow! now that's a fan boy question! here's my dream team! The Genoshan Avengers. Wasp Yellow Jacket Wonder Man Beast Ms. Marvel Jocasta She Hulk Not sure about the Genosha angle, but I love this line-up! Very cool! Who would you want to draw it? Write it? Busiek-Perez? Byrne-Ordway? Scott |
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Post by jkemble on Apr 17, 2006 21:51:59 GMT -5
Thanks! Uh, my dream team? writer = Me! artist = hmmm... anyway, the whole Genoshan thing ties into a larger concept I have: Earth 613. but eitherway, I love these charecters and mixed with the right supporting cast: magic. thanks for the read! peace! j. www.jkemble.net |
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Post by Spiderwasp on Apr 19, 2006 13:54:20 GMT -5
Okay, step 1 - Clean house of the current members that don't really seem to fit and bring back the real Avengers. My line up Captain America, Spider-man, Cage, Wasp, Ms. Marvel, Wonderman, and Hell-cat. Next, I'd appoint Hank Pym to work with the team scientifically, but not necessarily in costume, kind of like he used to do in West Coast Avengers.
Step 2 - Play up some Avengers history - have them deal with Quicksilver's current problems, bring in the Grim Reaper, Graviton, or the Zodiac cartel.
Step 3 - play up the CHARACTERS. That's what's always made the Avengers great. Include other various Avengers showing up for short periods such as Beast, She-Hulk, Vision, Darkhawk, Black Knight, Crystal, or Photon. Look at what makes each character tick and why they do what they do. Explore how they feel about the whole New Avengers business - Ms. Marvel's reaction to it in the beginning of "House of M" was the best things about the whole series.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Apr 21, 2006 20:55:58 GMT -5
Black Goliath!!! (although these days a more politically correct name would probably be in order!) At the Thing’s suggestion, he did take a “non-ethnic” monicker (“Giant-Man”) waaaaaay back in Marvel Two-in-One #55 (1979!)...but since Bill Foster seldom makes appearances, costumed or otherwise, it’s easy to overlook the change. Judging from some Civil War preview info, it looks like Dr. Foster will be calling himself Goliath...funny, since another of the reasons the Thing suggested the change from “Black Goliath” was that the original Goliath was a bad guy (he meant the Biblical one, not good ol’ Hank Pym, though on the other hand Hank’s record hasn’t exactly been spotless)...and indeed, there has been a “Goliath” villain between then and now. Oh, well. |
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