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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 26, 2007 16:24:40 GMT -5
Who is your least favorite or most unneeded Avenger. I know this is a more negative question than my usual, but I think it has merit. My least favorite Avenger was Giglamesh. To me he was just a re-hash of the same old ancient strongman routine. I saw almost no difference between his character and Hercules.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Mar 26, 2007 17:48:35 GMT -5
Ares.
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Post by uberwolf on Mar 26, 2007 17:48:57 GMT -5
Dr Druid. He was goofy from the start... and he had a terrible costume.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Mar 26, 2007 17:49:30 GMT -5
Can Xena be far behind Ares...?
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Post by uberwolf on Mar 26, 2007 17:58:08 GMT -5
Who is your least favorite or most unneeded Avenger. I know this is a more negative question than my usual, but I think it has merit. My least favorite Avenger was Giglamesh. To me he was just a re-hash of the same old ancient strongman routine. I saw almost no difference between his character and Hercules. Uh, that's Gilgamesh. You gotta stop trying to make so many posts, yer the typo king, heh.
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Post by balok on Mar 26, 2007 18:26:54 GMT -5
Dr. Druid. Just pointless. Gilgamesh. Why? Ares. Not Avengers material.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 26, 2007 19:01:34 GMT -5
I have to type fast before they found out I'm on the computer again. Thas wheye I missspells so muchly.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 26, 2007 19:01:55 GMT -5
but no matter how you spell it, he still sucktified.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Mar 26, 2007 19:32:30 GMT -5
I have to type fast before they found out I'm on the computer again. Thas wheye I missspells so muchly. You mean the corrupt, rogue SHIELD faction...?
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Post by redstatecap on Mar 26, 2007 21:25:49 GMT -5
Mansuit Ronin easily takes top honors for worst Avenger ever. Wolverine Ares is just...huh? Sentry is not as aggressively stupid an idea as Mansuit Ronin, but a shameless Superman ripoff just doesn't cut it with me. Triathlon and Silverclaw were Busiek & Perez's two major missteps. Jack of Hearts. Looking at his costume is like having two icepicks driven into my eyes.
RSC
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Post by imperiusrex on Mar 26, 2007 21:32:49 GMT -5
Where to begin...? Deathcry, Rage, Lionheart (Cap. Britain), Ares, Silverclaw, Gilgamesh. Some characters just seem shoehorned onto the team and never add anything even in retrospect. At least Druid showed why some characters should never join the team, which was something Tigra was supposed to do, but her stay was just too brief to illustrate it. I thought the reasons for Ares to join and his sudden complete change of character (I didn't buy the mini and don't plan to. and given the sales numbers I wasn't alone... 123. ARES Jan 06 #1 (of 5) - 20,541 Feb 06 #2 (of 5) - 16,884 (-17.8%) Mar 06 #3 (of 5) - 15,895 (-14.4%) Apr 06 — May 06 #4 (of 5) - 16,255 ( +2.3%) Jun 06 — Jul 06 #5 (of 5) - 15,786 ( -2.9%) 6 mnth (-23.1%)
) to a longtime reader like myself were jarring to say the least. I'm sorry, but if you're going to have a longtime villain join a team, you should make it a pretty big part of the story, epsecially if the story that sets up his or her current doings in the MU didn't take place in a big mover like Civil War. Anybody remember how Roger Stern took the time to craft more than a few stories around Namor's joining the Avengers? Yet Ares, who's tried to kill various members of the A-team more than once gets a free pass... So yes after just one issue I feel free in saying it's a fairly stupid decision given Marvel's handling of it. but Deathcry is still the least favorite...
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Post by daned on Mar 27, 2007 4:39:50 GMT -5
Triathlon. Busiek started so well then he broke my heart.
I really didn't have a problem with Gilgamesh. He was just another mythical figure, though I bet they were struggling between him and Beowulf.
Deathcry. Apathy.
Wolverine. Ka-ching!
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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 27, 2007 5:31:57 GMT -5
I forgot about Mantis. I don't care if they DID manage to craft a stroyline around her. Yuch
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Post by uberwolf on Mar 27, 2007 7:38:33 GMT -5
I never considered the "new" Avengers as "real" Avengers so none of them came to mind. I think Sentry would be up there with Dr. Druid. The most powerful yet seldom used plot device until the arrival of Dr. Strange.
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Post by Bored Yesterday on Mar 27, 2007 8:31:40 GMT -5
Has to be the Sentry, because he's my least favorite character, on or off the team.
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Post by dlw66 on Mar 27, 2007 8:51:31 GMT -5
Lots of talk on long runs of a particular character and in the end what they really brought to the table: Rage, Triathlon, Druid, etc.
Let me make an analogy to baseball cards. Think of all the guys playing right now, some of whom are pretty good. But, if you thought about investing in their baseball cards, how many of the "good" players would really be worth anything down the road? How many Hall-of-Fame type players are truly out there right now? Five or six? Out of approximately 800 players?
Comics characters are kind of like that, too. Of all the heroes and villains out there, how many are truly original and worthy of our praise? Everyone probably has their "dream" line-up on the Avengers, and I'll bet most would not contain any of the names listed here.
And by the way, I'd echo Ronin, Sentry, Wolverine, Druid, Silverclaw, Rage, Gilgamesh, Mr. Fantatic, Invisible Woman, Spider Woman, Spider-Man...
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Post by Black Knight on Mar 27, 2007 9:13:58 GMT -5
Lets see in order from worst.
1) Wolverine (can anyone say cash cow) 2) Deathcry 3) Dr. Druid (although he was a good idea for mystic, just didn't work) 4) Ares (GOD OF WAR) 5) Sentry (totally pointless)
Those are my top 5.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Mar 27, 2007 13:12:45 GMT -5
1) Ares 2) Wolverine (extrictly as an Avenger...) 3) Spider-Man (ditto...) 4) Ronin (original, if the word really applies here...) 5) Sentry 5 5)
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Post by spiderwasp on Mar 27, 2007 15:57:03 GMT -5
Gotta go with Wolverine. He just doesn't fit and seems totally forced on us. Having him appear on covers months before appearing in the book just made it worse and proved he was only there because his picture on a cover sells books, rather than because he was an intrical part of any story. No one has mentioned Moondragon yet. I actually learned to tolerate her in some of the Infinity Gauntlet stuff, but in Avengers, she just got on my nerves.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 27, 2007 16:01:54 GMT -5
yeah Spiderwasp, Moondragon and Mantis? Both of them are just sort of annoying.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Mar 27, 2007 16:52:21 GMT -5
My least favorite Avenger was Giglamesh. To me he was just a re-hash of the same old ancient strongman routine. I saw almost no difference between his character and Hercules. I think it’s chiefly a difference in personality; certainly Hercules has one.
Dr Druid. He was goofy from the start... and he had a terrible costume. Dr. Druid. Just pointless. I’ve previously defended Druid as a “love-to-hate” character who got mishandled upon an abrupt change of writers.
At least Druid showed why some characters should never join the team, which was something Tigra was supposed to do, but her stay was just too brief to illustrate it. And her later “mainstay” status with the West Coast team would seem to undermine the message anyway.
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Post by Shiryu on Mar 28, 2007 3:33:35 GMT -5
Hmm, I liked Silverclaw and Triathlon, and Dr. Druid would have been much better if handled by Stern. Voting for Sentry or Wolverine is a giveaway in these days, so I go for Deathcry.
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Post by von Bek on Mar 28, 2007 9:20:53 GMT -5
Silverclaw and Triathlon are more plot devices than characters, and even Busiek himself made a in joke about it (I think it was in Avengers 38 or 39) where Triathlon says he will probably become one of the 'forgotten' Avengers like Rage or Dr. Druid. I agree with Sihryu that Dr. Druid could have become a great Avenger had Stern only remained longer on the book. The problem with Deathcry is she´s an X-character in the Avengers. Sentry, like Druid could become an interesting character in the right hands. So my vote goes to the silly Ronin (Echo or the still 'mysterious' one - they´re both stupid).
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Post by bendiszombie on Mar 31, 2007 19:39:15 GMT -5
Triathlon. He has generic powers, a generic costume, AND a generic origin. I loved Busiek and Perez's stuff, but man... Not to mention the worst codename since Century.
Silverclaw was kinda cool, though.
I've no problems with Wolverine, though he does fit in better with the underground New New Avengers, than the Old New Avengers.
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Post by uberwolf on Mar 31, 2007 20:01:56 GMT -5
Triathlon. He has generic powers, a generic costume, AND a generic origin. Still Triathlon is better than the mysterious Triple Evil and the craptastic way they killed that storyline right in the middle of the Kang war.
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Post by iastagehand on Mar 31, 2007 21:46:32 GMT -5
was never a big fan of starfox
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Post by Doctor Bong on Mar 31, 2007 23:24:14 GMT -5
On that note, could any gentle soul please tell me what happened over at the She-Hulk title with Starfox...? Was he really guilty of raping Jennifer with his mental powers...?
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Post by Tana Nile on Apr 1, 2007 1:14:38 GMT -5
On that note, could any gentle soul please tell me what happened over at the She-Hulk title with Starfox...? Was he really guilty of raping Jennifer with his mental powers...? According to Starfox, the time he and Jennifer "got busy" in the Avengers, he did not use his powers on her. He did however use them to make Jen and John Jameson love each other when he saw them fighting. That whole storyline was really interesting, and more than a little disturbing. I kind of liked the idea that Starfox was responsible for Thanos' obsession with death. Too bad it was a lie.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Apr 1, 2007 7:39:37 GMT -5
On that note, could any gentle soul please tell me what happened over at the She-Hulk title with Starfox...? Was he really guilty of raping Jennifer with his mental powers...? According to Starfox, the time he and Jennifer "got busy" in the Avengers, he did not use his powers on her. He did however use them to make Jen and John Jameson love each other when he saw them fighting. However, the effect of Starfox’s intervention on that couple was but short-lived. Awesome Andy used his power-mimicry power to compel Mallory Book to fall in love with him (Andy), and a side-effect was that Jen and John continued to be subjected to outside influence, this time from Andy. Jen and John even married, making She-Hulk daughter-in-law to J. Jonah Jameson! When Andy finally stopped exerting the love vibes, Mallory rejected him and Jen rejected John (now Stargod again), who claimed to really love Jen after all. J&J are currently separated.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 1, 2007 16:14:29 GMT -5
Yayyy,.. she's on the market once again.
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