jkemble
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Post by jkemble on Sept 1, 2006 19:49:43 GMT -5
what's y'r take? here's an edited post I made on another board here: Storm is by far, to me, the at the center of the x-men drama. She did, after all lead the X-men on more missions that that loser Cyclops. Back in the day, the X-men laid down their life for her more than once (X-Men Annual ? & Fall of the Mutants Storyline.) Wolverine is especially loyal, she calls Colosus little brother, and had a brief "twist" with Nightcrawler. When she thought Xavier was dead she aligned with Magneto. She has always agreed with Xaviers dream of peace, but always choose different methods. She was never Xavier's lapdog, but viewed him more as an equil, like a friend giving advice. being a long time x-fan (yup, i've read them all except a brief period from '99-'03ish) at first I didn't like the marriage, but then when someone told me that it was the realization of Xaviers dream (The peaceful co-exsistance of humans and mutants.) Then, I kinda liked the idea. I always felt that it was kinda weird that Storm was spending so much time away from Africa, a land that she is tied to, at once ahe was a goddess there, and she knows the land intamatly, so I also like the idea of her spending time there. It seems in charecter. However, remember all you Avengers fans, it's not Black Panther and Storm, it's Storm and Black Panther. |
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Post by dlw66 on Sept 1, 2006 20:11:38 GMT -5
Not sure how I'm supposed to respond? I did see this when it was posted before. What's the deal?
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Post by Shiryu on Sept 2, 2006 4:46:05 GMT -5
Guess you mean a conversation about Storm's role in the X-Men and her importance in the MU compared to Black Panther, am I correct ?
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jkemble
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Post by jkemble on Sept 2, 2006 16:11:47 GMT -5
hey guys!
I guess what I mean to ask is, what do you think about the marriage of the two?
I was hoping that someone would have something (or anything) to say about this historic event.
I mean, do you think it's for real? forever? is it some kind of plot by the two?
what do you think will happen in the future with this unnion?
Is this even a good paring of charecters? why or why not?
anybody even reading Black Panther here?
I guess I'm just looking for thoughts on the whole matter,
because I don't feel like I've heard enough.
(could be at the wrong board, or maybe I missed it?)
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Post by Doctor Bong on Sept 2, 2006 23:43:48 GMT -5
" Dead is dead & married is married"... so sayeth the sage man...
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Post by dlw66 on Sept 3, 2006 20:10:32 GMT -5
OK, gotcha. To be honest, it really doesn't register on my care-o-meter. I don't read X-Men (haven't for years) and I don't read any periphery Avengers books. So, in the whole scheme of things I really don't care. I think we've all been around long enough to know that few things are forever, and most things at Marvel these days are all because of marketing or shock value, not lasting literary impact.
Sorry to be so cynical...
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Post by Black Knight on Sept 5, 2006 8:25:36 GMT -5
All I have to say about the BP/storm marraige is that, it was a last ditch effort to save a comic that really has no business being produced under it's current creative team.
Hudlin, has no idea who Panther is, who storm is, or any of the other charaters he continues to mangle in his effort to make the Panther cool in his mind.
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Post by dlw66 on Sept 5, 2006 9:22:20 GMT -5
Hasn't the Panther in recent years been depicted as angry and even somewhat paranoid? I recall an appearance late in vol. 3 of Avengers and I didn't care for the "angry black man" stereotype that he seemed to be written with. Maybe I'm wrong here...
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Post by Black Knight on Sept 5, 2006 9:41:22 GMT -5
Hasn't the Panther in recent years been depicted as angry and even somewhat paranoid? I recall an appearance late in vol. 3 of Avengers and I didn't care for the "angry black man" stereotype that he seemed to be written with. Maybe I'm wrong here... Hudlin, potrayes the panther, as if he is from the hood most of the time. He has also completely revamp the charaters history, making it almost impossilbe to have the Panther be an avengers during the VOL 1 run. |
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Post by steed on Sept 5, 2006 10:44:22 GMT -5
Two words:
WHO CARES?
The wedding hasn't even been mentioned in other books.
Although it does give us an out for the Civil War. Seems like everyone was willing to put their differences aside to attend the wedding. If Marvel could have a wedding a week, the Civil war would end. Nobody fights, they just get married and everyone puts their differences aside.
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Post by dlw66 on Sept 5, 2006 11:30:05 GMT -5
It seems like Marvel too often does not know how to write a black character. The Falcon, Luke Cage, and now T'Challa are often written straight out of the stereotype box. Too bad, because they could individually be very interesting characters if humanized and given issues other than the "typical" inner-city anger.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Sept 5, 2006 17:55:22 GMT -5
The marriage of T’Challa and Ororo is, in a sense, a union between House Avengers and House X-Men. Or at least, it could be. As an Avengers–X-Men union, it is made less compelling by the fact that neither spouse is currently active with his or her team; furthermore, while Storm is a long-term high-profile X-Man (X-Woman?), the Black Panther’s Avengers membership has been sparse. As things stand, Avengers–X-Men linkage has historically been well served by the Beast, and recently Wolverine also was positioned to act as such a link —though not yet to much effect, so far as I can tell. Family relationships also exist between Avengers Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch and X-Men Polaris and Magneto—though again, so far as I know, their family tree has had little effect on relations between the teams.
Still, it remains possible that the marriage might eventually lead to interesting interteam dynamics. If so, perhaps it will be worthwhile in the long run.
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Post by redstatecap on Sept 5, 2006 18:57:59 GMT -5
It seems like Marvel too often does not know how to write a black character. The Falcon, Luke Cage, and now T'Challa are often written straight out of the stereotype box. Too bad, because they could individually be very interesting characters if humanized and given issues other than the "typical" inner-city anger. What we're really talking about here is Marvel's ham-fisted and patronizing attempt to make its product appeal to "the black demographic." In practical terms that means "gangsta-ing up" its prominent black characters to fit current stereotypes. Falcon was written "all street an' shiznit" in Chris Priest's CA&F. The dialogue that came out of Sam's mouth in that series needed the services of a jive translator to understand. Same with Luke Cage in New Avengers. Now he's a gangsta-rappin' homie. Hudlin's Black Panther I haven't bothered reading, but I've heard so much intensely negative feedback on it, it sounds like it might be even worse. Is pandering to Marvel's stereotypical view of "the black demographic" worth running down its portfolio of black characters? I don't think it is. But to answer the question of the thread -- I couldn't care less about Black Panther/Storm's marriage. It sounds like a cheap throwaway gimmick to me. Where's the history behind the story to make us want to believe or care about it? RSC |
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Post by Shiryu on Sept 6, 2006 13:13:13 GMT -5
I remember reading a long time ago that once young Ororo saved young Panther, but she had to leave before any potential romance could start. So, in a way, the marriage is not too in the wild (it would have been worse having the Panther marrying Kitty Pride I mean).
Still, if there is no real purpose behind it other than gaining new readers, it's a bad idea (and a poor plot trick), it will probably be over soon and no one will remember it (unless a better writer kicks in).
As for black characters, I enjoyed Photon, "normal" Storm and, to an extent, Triathlon. The first two because they did not make a big deal of their skin colour, and the last because it was functional to the plot.
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Post by Ultron on Sept 8, 2006 4:15:38 GMT -5
Gimmick. And a pretty lame one at that.
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Post by thew40 on Sept 13, 2006 18:35:13 GMT -5
I guess I'm for it. I liked what Priest did with Storm and Black Panther during his run a couple of years ago. One of my favorites stories, really ("Strum and Unger?" I think that's what it was called).
Plus, they're married in "Earth X" (my favorite comic series of all time).
Anyways, ever since then, I felt like the two characters would make an interesting, if not cliched, couple.
~W~
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jkemble
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Post by jkemble on Sept 13, 2006 23:39:59 GMT -5
I thought that they were a couple in HoM also, i felt this storyline was a kinda hold over from that reality, a new HoM related direction like Ms.Marvel.
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