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Post by thew40 on Jul 20, 2006 17:08:35 GMT -5
"The Mighty Avengers" Here's the store at newsarama.com: www.newsarama.com/SDCC06/Marvel/mighty.htmlNot sure how I feel about Bendis being on it, but I'll give a try when it comes out. Looks like it's sticking closer to the original, classic Avengers from what I've gathered from the rooster and the type of situations they'll be in. I'm sure a lot of people will be disappointed here with having Bendis at the wheel for this book, but let's be fair and at least wait until we know more about it before he make judgements . . . ~W~ |
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Post by dlw66 on Jul 20, 2006 17:32:11 GMT -5
“I say read the classic Avengers stories. They’re amazing. I love them and go to them for inspiration all of the time, but imitating them would be death creatively. It would be death to the characters who need to grow and be nurtured, and if that's all we did in comics, comics would die too.”
But he also had these words of assurance for old time fans.
“The good news is even if you hate what I am doing with every fiber of your being,” Bendis said, “you still have decades of those Avengers stories you liked. Nothing I do can change those stories. Go, read them. They're so so good. We're trying new stuff, and I'm so glad so many people try it out. It’s so amazing to me you have no idea and I take the responsibility of it very seriously…and Frank draws great superhero butts.”
Great... a T&A book that will be written like Giffen/DeMatteis' Justice League, with more characters who belong in the Defenders, not the Avengers. And Bendis doesn't care if he's stepped all over the past -- screw me, just go buy the Avengers DVD-ROM!
That is my initial take on this book. However, as I've plunked down my $3 each month for the past two years, I will try this out as well. As I've said many times, I don't hate Bendis... I only hate what he's done with the Avengers.
And do I believe he's researched all of the "classic Avengers" comics as he's said? Hmmm.....
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Post by thew40 on Jul 20, 2006 18:30:29 GMT -5
“I say read the classic Avengers stories. They’re amazing. I love them and go to them for inspiration all of the time, but imitating them would be death creatively. It would be death to the characters who need to grow and be nurtured, and if that's all we did in comics, comics would die too.” But he also had these words of assurance for old time fans. “The good news is even if you hate what I am doing with every fiber of your being,” Bendis said, “you still have decades of those Avengers stories you liked. Nothing I do can change those stories. Go, read them. They're so so good. We're trying new stuff, and I'm so glad so many people try it out. It’s so amazing to me you have no idea and I take the responsibility of it very seriously…and Frank draws great superhero butts.” Great... a T&A book that will be written like Giffen/DeMatteis' Justice League, with more characters who belong in the Defenders, not the Avengers. And Bendis doesn't care if he's stepped all over the past -- screw me, just go buy the Avengers DVD-ROM! That is my initial take on this book. However, as I've plunked down my $3 each month for the past two years, I will try this out as well. As I've said many times, I don't hate Bendis... I only hate what he's done with the Avengers. And do I believe he's researched all of the "classic Avengers" comics as he's said? Hmmm..... Frank Cho is definetly a T&A artist, but I'm still reserving judgement until more details have been released, including the cast list. Also, it would really surprise me if Frank Cho sticks around. Bendis may have been reading up on old "Avengers" issues in the past couple months, so we don't know quite yet what's going on. ~W~ |
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Post by Van Plexico on Jul 20, 2006 22:24:33 GMT -5
Wow, that is some big news. I simply don't get why Bendis has to be on both. Other than sales/profits. Which, I suppose, answers my question. If Frank Cho is drawing the new "Mighty" book, I guess we know which team will include Ms. Marvel!  |
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Post by thew40 on Jul 21, 2006 0:51:35 GMT -5
Wow, that is some big news. I simply don't get why Bendis has to be on both. Other than sales/profits. Which, I suppose, answers my question. If Frank Cho is drawing the new "Mighty" book, I guess we know which team will include Ms. Marvel! Agreed on all points. Surely, they can get Joe Casey on one of these. He loves the Avengers! ~W~ |
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Post by Yellowjacket on Jul 21, 2006 2:51:27 GMT -5
I think the most interesting question is, will Bendis (really) be able doing two diverse kind of Avengers books? I do like his NA, but I do not believe him writing the new series it will be that different from NA.
Either way I´d prefer another writer.
And one speculation from me: The Mighty Avengers team will be the IM team, the one with the "big" guys, the mentioning of Wonder Man gives a clue already.
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Post by Shiryu on Jul 21, 2006 8:07:01 GMT -5
Now I'm surprised, I really wasn't expecting this  I'm not really sure that someone can purposely change his writing style so much between two books (while writing them at the same time), so I think the only difference will be in the team members. Classic guys for the M.A., Cage and company for NA. Still, I don't see much of a point for having the same writer writing both books. Spidey had 3 or even 5 titles for ages, and they were always made by different creative teams. |
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Post by spiderwasp on Jul 21, 2006 15:25:52 GMT -5
Okay, I'm going to try very hard to be optimistic. I'm certainly no fan of Bendis and would rather anyone (Especially Dan Slott) take over the new book, but I am so desperate for a good Avengers book again that I will reserve judgement. I did, however, find his comments to be less than encouraging. Basically "If you like the old books, go back and read them." I don't think anyone wants him to copy the old books - times changes - but I resent the implication by him and many of his supporters that anyone who doesn't like what he does, just can't handle change. That's not true. Many of us simply don't like the pace or characterizations he has brought out. Hopefully, his conscious effort to be different with this book will help.
The bad side is that, if the new book fails, Bendisheads will say it's because no one wanted to read about the old school and it's now been proven. If it succeeds, it will be because Bendis is such a great writer. Either way, he comes out smelling like a rose.
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Post by dlw66 on Jul 21, 2006 17:12:46 GMT -5
I didn't care for the reference in the article to Avengers being the next X-Men. I got out of X-Men a looooooooooonnnnnggggg time ago due to convoluted writing and just too many darned books to keep with, as Marvel felt it was necessary to cross them over (same with Spidey). Now we'll have two Avengers books, not to mention regular monthlies for most of the characters within. If Marvel starts to tie all of this together (and DC was guilty in the past with the various Superman and Batman titles as well), I will be gone in a flash and just living with my DVD-ROMs, Essentials, tpb's, etc. Bendis wants me to live in the past, fine; but I'd sure like a reason to live in the present.
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Ultron
Reservist Avenger
"Die, Humans!"
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Post by Ultron on Jul 25, 2006 8:03:47 GMT -5
First time, it's a tragedy.
Second time, it's a farce.
By the third time, it's a comedy.
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Post by von Bek on Jul 25, 2006 8:27:57 GMT -5
Bendis writing and Cho´s art, so we will have a lot of half naked bodies and talking heads...
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Post by imperiusrex on Jul 26, 2006 16:43:07 GMT -5
don't feel the need to give bendis a shot. I don't like his writing. to me writing is as distinct as art. i can pick a bendis book out just like I can pick out busiek, waid, moore, peter david etc. from other writers (look at busiek's message board at www.astrocity.us where I was correctly able to identify what he wrote in his collaboration with Geoff Johns) the words he uses, the pacing of his stories, his dialogue, his syncopation for lack of a better term, I can tell what he's gonna do. and I don't like it. doesn't make him a bad writer, but I have yet to enjoy his style. just as a reader could skip a rob liefeld book because of the art I will happily skip a bendis book for his writing style... |
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Post by von Bek on Jul 27, 2006 8:24:21 GMT -5
doesn't make him a bad writer, but I have yet to enjoy his style. just as a reader could skip a rob liefeld book because of the art I will happily skip a bendis book for his writing style... I disagree here. To me BMB new Avengers work make him pretty much a bad writer, at least in that book (plot holes, mischaracterizations, lack of sense and pacing). And Liefield simple can´t draw, the guy has absolutely no notions of perspective and anatomy... |
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Post by imperiusrex on Jul 27, 2006 11:23:59 GMT -5
doesn't make him a bad writer, but I have yet to enjoy his style. just as a reader could skip a rob liefeld book because of the art I will happily skip a bendis book for his writing style... I disagree here. To me BMB new Avengers work make him pretty much a bad writer, at least in that book (plot holes, mischaracterizations, lack of sense and pacing). And Liefield simple can´t draw, the guy has absolutely no notions of perspective and anatomy... Do I think bendis can't write and liefeld can't draw? for the most part, yes. do I see that someone else might enjoy it? yes. i mean there are some old world masters, and modernist painters that I can't stand. and I think steven spielberg often makes the most mawkish films ever. however, other people enjoy them. people on this board love young avengers and I just find the title to be nothing. not good not bad, just sort of "there" so rather than harp about how they're bad, I just express what I don't like about them, if someone else enjoys it, who am I to take that from them? |
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Post by von Bek on Jul 27, 2006 12:56:29 GMT -5
I think we're talking about different things. I too do not think YA is the best thing since sliced bread, like many fellow posters, but, like you stated, that's a matter of opinion, Heinberg at least is paying attention to what he is doing. But plot holes are just a sign of bad writing...
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Post by imperiusrex on Jul 27, 2006 14:01:20 GMT -5
I think we're talking about different things. I too do not think YA is the best thing since sliced bread, like many fellow posters, but, like you stated, that's a matter of opinion, Heinberg at least is paying attention to what he is doing. But plot holes are just a sign of bad writing... well, I suppose, but I tend to think a lot of what bendis does is very purposeful. the filmmaker sam fuller on occasion, left gaping plot holes in his films and fessed up to it. to him, the emotion he was trying to express meant more than some inconsistencies. i like fuller's work and I think he's a gifted storyteller. does he leave plotholes? yes. does that make him a bad filmmaker? not to me. i think he overcomes it. i don't think bendis does, but other people obviously do. jack kirby's anatomy and range of faces was fairly limited (ever see jack draw spidey? he looks like a 6'3" linebacker when drawn by the king's pencil), but jack's still one of the greats. i dunno. you have your take on it and I have mine, but we both just don't like bendis' work--we should be able to bond over that simple fact... |
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