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Post by Nutcase65 on Jun 14, 2007 16:56:00 GMT -5
I'm not completely familiar with the timeline. Did Bendis get his start with the Ultimate line? Is that where he first made a mark? Serious answers only please, I'm going somewhere with this. Those who want to rip Bendis will get a chance later  |
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Post by Doctor Doom on Jun 14, 2007 17:08:54 GMT -5
As far as I'm aware, yes.
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Post by Alchemist-X on Jun 14, 2007 17:15:51 GMT -5
Well he did writer owned/image work initially, where he got some notice by Marvel and got his start with Millar doing the Ultimate line. Ultimate Spider-man in particular. His first 616 Marvel work was Daredevil. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_BendisI got my start with his work reading USM, which I feel is the best Spider-title marvel's published in the last decade, and why I like Mr. Bendis. |
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Post by Nutcase65 on Jun 14, 2007 19:56:44 GMT -5
OK, if you think about it, it makes sense.
I just got into the Ultimates and find it all very enjoyable. It was good writing and good stories as far as I was concerned. It also gave him a decent spotlight for how well it turned out.
So they decide to put him in the main lines. Makes sense, he's doing a good job so give him a shot at the bigs.
Thing is this, and I don't say this to be nasty, it doesn't take as much talent to do what he did. The stories and characters and plots already he existed. He took things that already existed and gave them a different spin. But they're still fundamentally the same. I think anyone on this board could do just as well, some even better.
OK so now we have a guy that has done really well with what he was doing. All people have egos, artists more than others. He feels a need to do just as well where he is. He hasn't had to come up with truly original stuff up to now, just change things a little and re-introduce characters that already exist.
Maybe that's why he seems to do so much to change the existing characters rather than expand them, and face it all the history alterations is just changing not growing. Maybe that's all he knows to do. The phrase is 'dance with the one that brung you' It served him well in the Ultimate universe.
I don't say any of this to make anybody change their opinion of him. Those who like him, like him, those who don't, won't
It just makes more sense to me now.
Back to bed for me now. bye
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Post by balok on Jun 14, 2007 20:23:33 GMT -5
I liked the Ultimates as a different take on the books. I'm on record as believing that Marvel is now trying to Ultimize their 616 universe (although Doc does not concur) and I don't like that. But, yeah, when you start from a clean slate, as the Ultimates writers did, it doesn't require as much skill, because you don't have to fit what you do into the continuity, and more importantly, the characterization, of decades. This is an area where I believe Marvel failed its characters during Civil War (some people agree, some don't).
I liked Bendis enough on Alias to collect all the trades of it (I missed it when it came out), but I just do not like his work in 616 at all.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Jun 14, 2007 20:26:37 GMT -5
That is how I see it too Balok.
I can't say enough how much I truly have enjoyed the Ultimates, Spiderman and even some of the team-up stories. It is creative, I don't take that away from them at all. Just not as creative as new directions or true, character growth.
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Post by Alchemist-X on Jun 15, 2007 3:56:32 GMT -5
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Post by Doctor Doom on Jun 15, 2007 4:08:52 GMT -5
I am SO quoting that from Balok and putting it in my signature!  Seriously though, your explanation, the w, would not cover the fact that his run on Daredevil was insanely well recieved and you can't tell me Darerdevil has no continuity behind it. |
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Post by fatbob on Jun 15, 2007 7:34:03 GMT -5
I am SO quoting that from Balok and putting it in my signature! Seriously though, your explanation, the w, would not cover the fact that his run on Daredevil was insanely well recieved and you can't tell me Darerdevil has no continuity behind it. Maybe because DD, like Ultimate Spidey, is a solo title- team titles seems to be what Bendis has trouble with. |
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Post by Nutcase65 on Jul 15, 2007 15:52:10 GMT -5
I am SO quoting that from Balok and putting it in my signature! Seriously though, your explanation, the w, would not cover the fact that his run on Daredevil was insanely well recieved and you can't tell me Darerdevil has no continuity behind it. I think I have to agree with fatbob here. He has a better review with DD because he doesn't have to worry a whole lot about how DD affects the continuity of the M.U as a whole. Whereas when you start mucking about with the Avengers you get a totally different response. |
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Post by balok on Jul 16, 2007 20:49:25 GMT -5
He seems to write single characters that don't much impact continuity well. Although since I never read the Daredevil run and am not terribly familiar with the character, I can't speak to whether or not Bendis respected characterization and continuity. Jessica (Alias) was a new character so these things were for Bendis to establish. I hate, Hate, HATE, !!!HATE!!! his work on Avengers. Put THAT in your quote!  |
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Post by Alchemist-X on Jul 17, 2007 0:48:39 GMT -5
He seems to write single characters that don't much impact continuity well. Although since I never read the Daredevil run and am not terribly familiar with the character, I can't speak to whether or not Bendis respected characterization and continuity. Jessica (Alias) was a new character so these things were for Bendis to establish. I hate, Hate, HATE, !!!HATE!!! his work on Avengers. Put THAT in your quote! A hate that defies conventional punctuation |
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Post by Nutcase65 on Aug 2, 2007 20:51:30 GMT -5
So,... just to be clear,... Balok you are not a fan? I'm not getting your meaning. |
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Post by balok on Aug 3, 2007 13:14:57 GMT -5
So,... just to be clear,... Balok you are not a fan? I'm not getting your meaning. Let's just say that if Palpatine was able to tap my hatred for Bendis on Avengers, he would never need to worry about any number of Jedi Knights... |
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Post by Draganta on Aug 5, 2007 4:50:16 GMT -5
I've on average enjoyed Bendis's work in the ultimate universe; that said, i despise the ultimates. i read the book for the first arc, but the lateness and and the fact that Millar seemed to believe making all the characters into self centered neurotic jerks was character development. Red Son only partially made up for what he did to cap.
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Post by balok on Aug 7, 2007 12:58:39 GMT -5
I've on average enjoyed Bendis's work in the ultimate universe; that said, i despise the ultimates. i read the book for the first arc, but the lateness and and the fact that Millar seemed to believe making all the characters into self centered neurotic jerks was character development. Red Son only partially made up for what he did to cap. Millar seems to like reinventing characters to give them serious flaws - the sort of flaws that, poorly controlled, turn them into villains. It's not a good trend from my perspective. |
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