All-New, All-Different Marvel

[Marvel Boy]

Marvel has been releasing details of the new titles that will make up the All-New MU after Secret Wars. Aside from the aforementioned Avengers by Waid and Invincible Iron Man by Bendis, we have the following so far:

Kelly DeConnick announced that she was leaving the Captain Marvel title, to be replaced by the Agent Carter showrunners Tara Butters and Michele Fazekas along with artist Kris Anka. The focus will shift towards Carol commanding a space station designed to be Earth's first line of defense against any alien threats. SWORD, the dept of SHIELD that formerly handled such defenses, will no longer exist post-SW. New Captain Marvel

Spider-Man will be relaunched with Miles Morales, the Ultimate Spider-Man front and center, by Bendis and Sara Pichelli. Speculation abounds though on what this means for Peter and ASM writer Dan Slott. Some think that due to the Renew Your Vows mini, Peter may retire and mentor Miles. Or perhaps we will get some later confirmation over the status of the ASM title along with Slott's involvement. Spider-Man

James Robinson and Leonard Kirk will be headlining the new Squadron Supreme ongoing title. However, this won't be the traditional group. Instead, this team will consist of members from destroyed parallel worlds. Members so far include Hyperion from Hickman's run, Nighthawk from Supreme Power, Doctor Spectrum from the Great Society, Blur from the New Universe's DP7 and possibly Thundra. New Squadron Supreme

A-Force will become an ongoing, as the all-female team carries over into the proper MU. Writer G. Willow Wilson will continue on the book though no artist has been formally announced just yet. A-Force

Jason Aaron and Chris Bachalo will tackle the new Doctor Strange ongoing title. Doctor Strange

Finally, Greg Pak and Frank Cho return with Totally Awesome Hulk (yes, that is apparently the title). There is a new Hulk in town, someone who is more than happy being green. As to the fate of Bruce Banner, Pak is keeping it a secret so far. Totally Awesome Hulk

[humanbelly]

I know I know I KNOW I'm probably going to regret asking this-- or seem like a dunce for not knowing-- but I simply can't bear to splortch and slog through the unending Trump-esque puffery and hype that is layered on to all of these "announcements"-- that still seem to avoid giving salient responses about some rather basic details of the "NEW" Marvel Universe.

To wit: Is this indeed a slate-wiped-clean reboot? Everyone and everything starting over again (or. . . not existing ever) from scratch? 'Cause it really doesn't seem like it at all. It sounds like a hastily cherry-picked collage of elements from the chaos of Marvel's assorted "universes", and yet they seem to be trying to stack the deck in order to be able to draw from "Classic" continuity. . . just in case. (I swear, I'm detecting a whiff of Eau de Pocket Universe, ala Franklin Richards. . . )

Honestly, I will not be buying a single issue of any of this. . . but it would be nice to know in a straightforward fashion if there really is a reasonable, long-term gameplan involved here. Y'know?

HB

[spiderwasp]

Jun 28, 2015 9:23:47 GMT -5 Marvel Boy said:

Marvel has been releasing details of the new titles that will make up the All-New MU after Secret Wars. Aside from the aforementioned Avengers by Waid and Invincible Iron Man by Bendis, we have the following so far:

Kelly DeConnick announced that she was leaving the Captain Marvel title, to be replaced by the Agent Carter showrunners Tara Butters and Michele Fazekas along with artist Kris Anka. The focus will shift towards Carol commanding a space station designed to be Earth's first line of defense against any alien threats. SWORD, the dept of SHIELD that formerly handled such defenses, will no longer exist post-SW. New Captain Marvel

Spider-Man will be relaunched with Miles Morales, the Ultimate Spider-Man front and center, by Bendis and Sara Pichelli. Speculation abounds though on what this means for Peter and ASM writer Dan Slott. Some think that due to the Renew Your Vows mini, Peter may retire and mentor Miles. Or perhaps we will get some later confirmation over the status of the ASM title along with Slott's involvement. Spider-Man

James Robinson and Leonard Kirk will be headlining the new Squadron Supreme ongoing title. However, this won't be the traditional group. Instead, this team will consist of members from destroyed parallel worlds. Members so far include Hyperion from Hickman's run, Nighthawk from Supreme Power, Doctor Spectrum from the Great Society, Blur from the New Universe's DP7 and possibly Thundra. New Squadron Supreme

A-Force will become an ongoing, as the all-female team carries over into the proper MU. Writer G. Willow Wilson will continue on the book though no artist has been formally announced just yet. A-Force

Wow, everytime you think it can't get any worse...

Jason Aaron and Chris Bachalo will tackle the new Doctor Strange ongoing title. Doctor Strange

Finally, Greg Pak and Frank Cho return with Totally Awesome Hulk (yes, that is apparently the title). There is a new Hulk in town, someone who is more than happy being green. As to the fate of Bruce Banner, Pak is keeping it a secret so far. Totally Awesome Hulk

[humanbelly]

Ha! SpideyW, was that a reiteration of your earlier post? "HB, you doof, I already explained it all RIGHT HERE!"--?
I did start clicking on the links-- and simply couldn't get through all of the breathless hype in order to glean the answer(s) to my question(s).

Hunh-- and that's sort of a whole 'nother topic, isn't it? The fact that all of the marketing hype-speech is having precisely the opposite of the desired effect on me. It's falling into exactly the same realm as my Mom's assurances to my 5-year-old self that things like liver and canned green beans taste REEEEEALLY good! I'm going to love them!

My reaction- at the most primitive levels of my deeper brain- is one of immediate aversion and mistrust------
("Fire BAD!")

HB

[spiderwasp]

Jun 30, 2015 6:42:44 GMT -5 humanbelly said:

Ha! SpideyW, was that a reiteration of your earlier post? "HB, you doof, I already explained it all RIGHT HERE!"--?
I did start clicking on the links-- and simply couldn't get through all of the breathless hype in order to glean the answer(s) to my question(s).

Hunh-- and that's sort of a whole 'nother topic, isn't it? The fact that all of the marketing hype-speech is having precisely the opposite of the desired effect on me. It's falling into exactly the same realm as my Mom's assurances to my 5-year-old self that things like liver and canned green beans taste REEEEEALLY good! I'm going to love them!

My reaction- at the most primitive levels of my deeper brain- is one of immediate aversion and mistrust------
("Fire BAD!")

HB

lol. Actually there was supposed to be a comment attached but I don't know where it is. Unfortunately, old age is fast approaching and I also don't remember what it was.

[Marvel Boy]

About this being a reboot, it's hard to say. Alonso, Brevoort and others have repeatedly said that it's not, but take that for what you will. Myself, I don't think it is a clean-slate reboot. In today's over-saturated media market, keeping something that major a secret till the last minute is nigh impossible. So it seems that they are taking extra elements from alternate universes and injecting them into the proper MU, but how they will all play out remains to be seen.

Speaking of not keeping a secret, the majority of the All-New title lineup was leaked, with Marvel having since confirmed them all.
So here's the list of All-New Marvel titles. 45 titles in all, (yes, 45) so there may still be a few left to announce.

Of notice:

Uncanny Avengers with Spider-Man, Quicksilver, Brother Voodoo, Old Steve Rogers, Rogue, Human Torch and Deadpool.

New Avengers with Hawkeye, Songbird, Wiccan, Hulkling, Squirrel Girl and Sunspot.

All-New Avengers with Lady Thor, Vision, Ms. Marvel, Ultimate Spider-Man, Nova, Iron Man and SamCap.

Both Vision and Scarlet Witch are getting their own solo titles.

[spiderwasp]

Jul 1, 2015 20:32:22 GMT -5 Marvel Boy said:

About this being a reboot, it's hard to say. Alonso, Brevoort and others have repeatedly said that it's not, but take that for what you will. Myself, I don't think it is a clean-slate reboot. In today's over-saturated media market, keeping something that major a secret till the last minute is nigh impossible. So it seems that they are taking extra elements from alternate universes and injecting them into the proper MU, but how they will all play out remains to be seen.

Speaking of not keeping a secret, the majority of the All-New title lineup was leaked, with Marvel having since confirmed them all.
So here's the list of All-New Marvel titles. 45 titles in all, (yes, 45) so there may still be a few left to announce.

Of notice:

Uncanny Avengers with Spider-Man, Quicksilver, Brother Voodoo, Old Steve Rogers, Rogue, Human Torch and Deadpool.

New Avengers with Hawkeye, Songbird, Wiccan, Hulkling, Squirrel Girl and Sunspot.

All-New Avengers with Lady Thor, Vision, Ms. Marvel, Ultimate Spider-Man, Nova, Iron Man and SamCap.

Both Vision and Scarlet Witch are getting their own solo titles.

Those titles mostly sound interesting (Except All-New Avengers) but if the characters are basically unrecognizable other than name and costume, I'm not interested. Unfortunately, that's what I'm expecting.

[Marvel Boy]

Also interesting, there are some notable character absences in these new title listings.

Among the missing are: Black Widow, Thor Odinson, Bruce Banner/Hulk, Reed and Sue Richards, Loki, Doom, Hank Pym, Luke Cage and Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, Maria Hill, Gorgon, Mockingbird, Moon Knight, Nick Fury, Nick Fury Jr., Punisher, Shang-Chi, Sif, War Machine, Wasp.

Among the mutant missing: Cyclops, Emma Frost, Havok, Rachel Grey, Cable, Gambit, Cannonball (along with his wife Smasher and their baby), Angel, Firestar, Namor

[bobc]

I've given this stuff a chance and although I like Secret Wars, everything else seems like a garbled mess so far. Spiderwasp--I wish I could tell you about how much the characters stay (or not stay)true to their former selves, but there are so many characters in so many books, and so many versions of each of them, that it's impossible to answer. For instance, Medusa is in an Inhumans book, in the Avengers, Secret Wars, and A-force. Would the real Medusa please stand up? To be fair her personality is pretty much the same in most of what I've read so far, but she is much more aloof and queen-like than what most old schoolers probably remember. That being said, how does the Inhumans storyline fit in with A-Force? I have no clue.

Even stranger is the Squadron Sinister book. The cover has both the good version of the team (Squadron Supreme) and the bad version (Sinister).

Is there some sort of conspiracy going on at Marvel to make everything as chaotic and confusing as humanly possible, or is it that nobody cares anymore? I can only guess that Marvel is telling the new writers to write whatever the hell they want, and don't worry your pretty little heads over continuity, even if it's in the context of a brand new universe.

[spiderwasp]

Jul 21, 2015 15:36:44 GMT -5 bobc said:

Spiderwasp--I wish I could tell you about how much the characters stay (or not stay)true to their former selves,

I wish you could tell me that too. However, I'm not surprised.

[Marvel Boy]

Black Knight will receive a new ongoing title. The setting will be in Weirdworld as Dane continues to struggle with his wielding the Ebony Blade.

Hercules will receive a new ongoing as well though this somehow led to speculation over Hercules' sexuality in this series. A 2010 Hercules one-shot had Northbird (of Alpha Flight) saying that Northstar (who is openly gay) should be counted amongst Hercules' past lovers. While bisexuality would be more in line with the classic Greek mythology version of Hercules, Alonso has responded, saying that no, their Herc is not bisexual. So much for social progress.

Also, Alonso and Brevoort have confirmed that Bendis will launch a sister title to his upcoming Invincible Iron Man title, apparently something to do with the huge last page reveal in the first issue. No details on who is the focus of this sister title yet.

[bobc]

Black Panther is getting a series too but I have learned not to have high hopes in that area.

Hercules was/is bisexual? When did that take place? What is the deal with him lately? I haven't paid much attention but the few times I've seen him recently he seems to be closer to the Thing than Thor, strength-wise. Is that true? What happened?

[Marvel Boy]

I'm not sure what happened. I recall a few years back, Greg Pak and Fred Van Lente doing the Incredible Hercules title, which was some sort of fill-in for the Hulk title at that time. So I don't know if he's undergone some form of power loss or not.

Every time I think of Herc though, it always brings to mind his excellent first mini-series from '82 by Bob Layton.

[bobc]

My favorite Hercules moments (I didn't read the mini-series) were, without question, his squabbles with Namor in the Avengers. Remember when Herc got annoyed with Namor's pouting, and called him "Prince No-More" and "Son of a sea cow?" That was funny.

[Marvel Boy]

Yeah, those were some good moments, playing off Namor's haughty and arrogant manner.

The backlash over Alonso's definitive comment on Herc's sexuality has been widespread. If Marvel doesn't want to include that facet of him in their version, I'm okay with that. It's not as if Lee & Kirby followed every single aspect of Norse mythology when they created their version of Thor so there's some form of precedent here.

But if Marvel has since published hints of such behaviour from Hercules, then they should own up to it and acknowledge it. But Alonso's definitive answer (rather than one of his typical vague/evasive answers) seems to have closed the possibility of any future writer (or even Abnett in this new series) from exploring the issue any further.

While there have been some minor hints of bisexuality in the 616 Herc, what fans are referring to is the Ultimate version of Hercules, who was involved with the Ultimate version of Logan. Alonso's rebuttal basically boils down to 'two different universes, two different versions of the character'.

Although how this plays out when both universes have been 'destroyed' and (apparently) re-merged into a whole single new universe is slightly perplexing.

[Marvel Boy]

Marvel announced that Secret Wars will be extended by one more issue (9 issues now instead of 8), due in part to Hickman (apparently) having SO much story left to tell that they're willing to give him an extra issue to do so. What this means though is that SW will be unfinished by the time Marvel starts releasing all their new titles.

Also, Starbrand and Nightmask receive their own ongoing title.

[Marvel Boy]

Alright, the last week or two have seen Marvel starting to release their ANAD titles and from what I've read so far, they've been very good.

All these titles feature an 8 month gap, from the resurrection of the MU to the current moment. Also, kudos to the creators and editorial for while SW is still being published, there has been little to no spoilers in these titles (so far) about what the resolution to SW will be.


So, first up, Amazing Spider-Man #1, which sees Peter Parker as the head of the global company, Parker Industries. We begin to see how this affects his professional life, his personal life, and his time as Spider-Man. Taking a page from Stark, Spidey is now publicly Peter's bodyguard and Peter's goals to help improve the quality of life globally are balanced against the general public's growing perception that he is a 'poor man's Tony Stark'. I was most impressed by Slott's ability to pick up on his sub-plots from the last volume and continue them here with nary an interruption. In fact, if you didn't know any better, you'd think SW would never have happened between these two volumes.

We also got brief intro stories for the upcoming Spidey-related titles: Spidey 2099, Spider-Woman (yeah, Jessica being pregnant is going to take some getting used to), Silk, and Web Warriors. Also as a final tease, we see elements from Renew Your Vows that Slott has brought over to the main title, which should make this title (and Peter's life) more interesting to follow.

Next, we have Doctor Strange #1. Jason Aaron has hit a grand slam right off the bat, this is how you begin a brand-new series featuring a classic character. First-person narration boxes may get stale from long-term overuse, but here, Aaron uses them effectively to immediately get into the mindset of Stephen, being world-weary from defending Earth as the Sorcerer Supreme but still eager to fight the good fight. The number of new elements introduced here are terrific, from the Bar with No Doors to the composition of Strange's mage cabal to the idea that magic bears a price (and has Stephen been paying his tab?)

Chris Bachalo's art is a perfect match for this genre. While a few scenes in the early fight are a bit difficult to follow, overall, his tone and style effectively capture the waking world of magic that Stephen travels (and his novel ideas about Stephen's cloak are so simple and elegant, one wonders why no one else has thought of this before). And yes, weird as it may sound, seeing Stephen hack and slash with a sword and battle axe looks awesome! Brilliant start.

Bendis has arrived with Invincible Iron Man #1, but I still get the title via mail and my copy hasn't arrived just yet so a review of that is forthcoming.

But so far, I think ANAD Marvel is off to a very strong start.

[starfoxxx]

I have come to the realization that I'm no longer interested in the current Marvel Universe.

Now I know how many of the old school Assemblers of AA felt about 10 years ago, when Marvel was involved in the CIVIL WAR and SECRET INVASION. For many, these shake-ups and cash-grabs were so contrived and, basically, bad ideas, it would be the "last straw".
Well, I stuck around, enjoying a title or arc here and there. Abnett/Lanning's Guardians of the Galaxy and OLD MAN LOGAN are two prime examples of why I kept reading/buying current Marvel Comics. But I still pick up the Marvel Previews mag and I just think every new comic title/series/idea is just SOOOO lame. Just pathetic, and $4-$5 a pop, no way jose. I'm done.

starfoxxx

[spiderwasp]

From the time I was a kid, I've always dreamed about what it would be like to write for Marvel. I had many great story ideas. Last night I was thinking about what it would be like to work for current Marvel and I think I'm perfectly qualified. Here's my idea of what meeting a fan at ComicCon would sound like:

Fan: So, what big storylines do you have coming up?
Me: It's going to be huge. There's a 53 part crossover I'm spearheading about the divorce of Galactus and She-Hulk. The custody of the Universe is at stake and much depends on her lawyer, Ironman.
Fan: But, Tony Stark isn't a lawyer.
Me. Of course not. Matt Murdock is Ironman. Tony Stark is Sandman, the founder and leader of the Fantastic Four.
Fan: You mean the Frightful Four?
Me: Don't be silly. I mean the Fantastic Four. You know, Sandman and his wife, the Invisible Woman, her brother the Human Torch, and his best friend the Thing.
Fan: But what happened to Reed Richards?
Me: He never existed. You'd know this if you had read my recent story in Avengers. It's the same story where the Scarlet Witch and her husband, Quicksilver, gave birth to the legion of Visions.
Fan: Isn't Quicksilver her brother?
Me: Wow. You are behind. Ever since the Portal to the Portal of Endless Portals closed, Sue and Johnny are the only brother and sister left on the planet.
Fan: What? What about Northstar and Aurora?
Me: What do the married lesbian co-leaders of the Defenders have to do with anything. Stick to the subject.

See, I'm perfectly qualified to work for current Marvel.

[Marvel Boy]

Nov 14, 2015 9:52:37 GMT -5 spiderwasp said:

From the time I was a kid, I've always dreamed about what it would be like to write for Marvel. I had many great story ideas. Last night I was thinking about what it would be like to work for current Marvel and I think I'm perfectly qualified. Here's my idea of what meeting a fan at ComicCon would sound like:

Fan: So, what big storylines do you have coming up?
Me: It's going to be huge. There's a 53 part crossover I'm spearheading about the divorce of Galactus and She-Hulk. The custody of the Universe is at stake and much depends on her lawyer, Ironman.
Fan: But, Tony Stark isn't a lawyer.
Me. Of course not. Matt Murdock is Ironman. Tony Stark is Sandman, the founder and leader of the Fantastic Four.
Fan: You mean the Frightful Four?
Me: Don't be silly. I mean the Fantastic Four. You know, Sandman and his wife, the Invisible Woman, her brother the Human Torch, and his best friend the Thing.
Fan: But what happened to Reed Richards?
Me: He never existed. You'd know this if you had read my recent story in Avengers. It's the same story where the Scarlet Witch and her husband, Quicksilver, gave birth to the legion of Visions.
Fan: Isn't Quicksilver her brother?
Me: Wow. You are behind. Ever since the Portal to the Portal of Endless Portals closed, Sue and Johnny are the only brother and sister left on the planet.
Fan: What? What about Northstar and Aurora?
Me: What do the married lesbian co-leaders of the Defenders have to do with anything. Stick to the subject.

See, I'm perfectly qualified to work for current Marvel.

Hm, but are you sure about including the controversial plotline about Franklin Stark traveling back in time and becoming the father of Ben Parker, the current Spider-Man?

[spiderwasp]

[ [/quote]Hm, but are you sure about including the controversial plotline about Franklin Stark traveling back in time and becoming the father of Ben Parker, the current Spider-Man?


[/quote]
I don't think that plot is that controversial. After all, without it Ben Parker couldn't have married May Parker (The Scarlet Spider) and they couldn't have given birth to Red Spider, Pink Spider, Silver Spider, Beige Spider and Spider-Gwen Jr. That makes it all worthwhile.

[starfoxxx]

Ha ha, spiderwasp

I like "Beige Spider", haha.

[Marvel Boy]

Dec 1, 2015 22:15:40 GMT -5 spiderwasp said:

Hm, but are you sure about including the controversial plotline about Franklin Stark traveling back in time and becoming the father of Ben Parker, the current Spider-Man?

I don't think that plot is that controversial. After all, without it Ben Parker couldn't have married May Parker (The Scarlet Spider) and they couldn't have given birth to Red Spider, Pink Spider, Silver Spider, Beige Spider and Spider-Gwen Jr. That makes it all worthwhile.

Oh, okay. Well, don't forget to also address the mystery behind the existence of Magenta Spider when you reach your 73 part crossover of Catastrophe on Many Similar Planets Called Earth (CoMSPcE for those in the the know).

You know how we all hate loose dangling plot threads.

[woodside2]

Nov 8, 2015 16:03:20 GMT -5 starfoxxx said:

I have come to the realization that I'm no longer interested in the current Marvel Universe.

Now I know how many of the old school Assemblers of AA felt about 10 years ago, when Marvel was involved in the CIVIL WAR and SECRET INVASION. For many, these shake-ups and cash-grabs were so contrived and, basically, bad ideas, it would be the "last straw".
Well, I stuck around, enjoying a title or arc here and there. Abnett/Lanning's Guardians of the Galaxy and OLD MAN LOGAN are two prime examples of why I kept reading/buying current Marvel Comics. But I still pick up the Marvel Previews mag and I just think every new comic title/series/idea is just SOOOO lame. Just pathetic, and $4-$5 a pop, no way jose. I'm done.

starfoxxx

I'm kind of in the same boat, to be honest.  I've been pulling away from Marvel very slowly over the past few years and I'm down to two comics from them from this whole ANAD Marvel initiative -- Spider-Woman and Ant-Man.

It ultimately comes down to these three reasons:

1) Nothing interests me anymore.  Don't get me wrong.  I'm not bitter.  I'm not angry.  I'm not upset at Marvel and the audience.  I wish it all the best, but very little of it interests me.  I'm reading Ant-Man and Spider-Woman because these two characters are parents, something that is rarely seen in super-hero comics.  But old mainstays like X-Men and Avengers?  Eh, no thanks.  Pass.

2) Secret Wars and Hickman's Avengers run was the perfect end-point for my tenure reading the Marvel Universe.  It was fantastic, had all of these characters and storyline elements I had invested 20+ years in, and the ending was exactly what I wanted.  I love the optimism moving out of that event and it was a great note to leave on.

3) Axis, Marvel's event from late 2014, was a big mess.  A big big big mess.  It destroyed the Quicksilver/Magneto/Scarlet Witch dynamic that I loved so much.  It was unforgiveable.

Again, I'm not bitter.  I don't hate anyone, I don't think anyone is dumb for buying these or anything.  I applaud Marvel for their attempt at diversity (Spider-Woman a Mom, Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur, Ms Marvel, Spider-Man [Miles Morales], Starbrand and Nightmask, plus more fun and light-hearted books like Howard the Duck and Squirell Girl).  I'm also not planning on looking at Previews and decrying Marvel's decisions and hype.  Something is always someone's favorite comic.

But this decision had lead to me to other comic companies and new comics -- Saga, Paper Girls, Birthright, and Back to the Future are all great comics that I highly recommend.