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Post by tomspasic on Jul 21, 2013 5:35:24 GMT -5
Well that's a movie I have little interest in. I don't think even Joss Whedon can interest me in Bendis' craptacular pad-a-thon of stupidity. Still, only five more years till Avengers 3.
2018: Marvel Announces Avengers 3: Luke Cage in "wheres my Baby! *kicks woman in groin*"
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Post by Shiryu on Jul 21, 2013 9:40:05 GMT -5
It's far too early to panic. The very fact that AoU is centred around Wolverine and the Invisible Woman, two characters who cannot be in the movie because they belong to Fox, suggests all the two things will have in common is the title.
In fact: Ultron in the movie sounds absolutely fantastic! I wonder if Hank Pym will be introduced as a scientist, before starring in Ant Man later on.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jul 21, 2013 10:06:42 GMT -5
Soooo Thanos was just a huge tease??
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Post by humanbelly on Jul 21, 2013 11:24:52 GMT -5
It's far too early to panic. The very fact that AoU is centred around Wolverine and the Invisible Woman, two characters who cannot be in the movie because they belong to Fox, suggests all the two things will have in common is the title. In fact: Ultron in the movie sounds absolutely fantastic! I wonder if Hank Pym will be introduced as a scientist, before starring in Ant Man later on. Yep, you captured my thoughts exactly, Shir. "AGE OF ULTRON" is such a generic sub-header that the ensuing story-line could be anything at all. The phrase does have a nice, catchy ring to it, and Disney (lord knows) is more than hype-savvy enough to use it wherever they think it'll do the most good, and likely not feel hamstrung by constraints of precedent. In fact, even as I think about it, I can't imagine Joss Whedon being officially constrained one iota by what Bendis has done at any point. Bendis' huge, "universe-shaking" crossover event? There are, what, certainly less than a million people who will have followed it at all, right? And once it's released as a TPB, its revenue stream is done. The second Avengers film will be seen by 'WAAAAY more than 100 million folks in theaters alone, and will generate vast amounts of tie-in revenue, DVD sales, and all of the other merchandising stuff that Disney's so gifted at maximizing. Whedon's vision is where the money is. In the hierarchy of the entire Avengers franchise, he seriously outranks Mr. Bendis. I mean, that just seems like an obvious, dispassionate business reality to me. I wouldn't worry at all about any Bendis-ization of the films, to tell you the truth. As a side note, both HBSon & myself came to the conclusion on opening day that the second film would want to introduce/focus on an Ultron storyline, w/ Thanos still pulling strings in the background, which would then lead to him becoming directly involved in the third film. That seems like a conventional (but effective) structural road to take for a three-part series, y'know? HB
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Post by tomspasic on Jul 21, 2013 18:32:45 GMT -5
Yes, it's been stated by Whedon that it shares only the title with Bendis' latest crossover. Sorry I panicked. But it was nearly ten years of Bendis on avengers, I'm pretty traumatized now.
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jul 23, 2013 10:01:05 GMT -5
Now though, it appears that Hank will have no appearance nor involvement with this storyline, which I find disappointing.
I've read various speculations elsewhere on Ye Ol' Interweb as to why not, one of the more prominent theories being that, given Hank's intellect in biology and electronics, you introduce him and suddenly RDJr's Tony is no longer the smartest man in the room. I think that's rather ridiculous and underestimating the audience. We've had four films to grow accustomed to Tony and his ways so why not introduce Hank as either an employee of Stark's or for SHIELD whose work (and mental issues) eventually lead to the creation of Ultron?
My brother was extremely disappointed with this news. He is a HUGE Thanos fan and was soo looking forward to this second movie after that reveal in the first. Unless Thanos is tied up in the upcoming Guardians movie, I hope to see him or his influence somewhere in this sequel.
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Post by spiderman1984 on Sept 1, 2013 1:21:14 GMT -5
this sounds like a great movie, i can't wait to see it.
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Post by sharkar on Sept 6, 2013 10:29:16 GMT -5
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Post by humanbelly on Sept 7, 2013 5:52:56 GMT -5
"Anti-Man"-? Good grief. I suppose it could be, a) An honest typo that no one caught-- especially 'cause over-relied-on spell-check wouldn't flag it. b) A "reporter" who isn't as deeply conversant on the topic as perhaps he'd like to appear. Since that's the only note of deeper background in his brief piece, that seems very possible. c) Something a proofer changed post-submission, thinking that the writer must have made a mistake initially (A guy called Ant-Man building a robot?? Must mean 'Anti-Man'. . . ). What's grindingly annoying is that, if my 14-year-old daughter read this little article, she would then insist that Ultron was created by "Anti-Man", and that I clearly am mistaken. Upon showing her primary source material (like, Avengers 58), she would fabricate a scenario where it must have been later revealed that Hank Pym had ANOTHER identity that I clearly didn't know about. . . and I don't know everything. . . and why don't I get a clue. . . and could I please stop embarrassing her to death this way? (You see how misinformation like this can destroy family tranquility??) HB
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Post by ultron69 on Sept 11, 2013 7:07:54 GMT -5
Wow, HB, and I thought I had problems! I'm glad my son can't read yet!
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Post by ultron69 on Sept 11, 2013 7:11:06 GMT -5
OK, having now read the article, I'm a bit worried about Whedon's plans for Ultron. Lord help us when filmmakers try to make our beloved comic book characters more "interesting".
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Post by wundagoreborn on Sept 11, 2013 10:56:43 GMT -5
. . . and I don't know everything. . . and why don't I get a clue. . . and could I please stop embarrassing her to death this way? My 13 yo son gets at this more succinctly. "Dad, you ruin everything."
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Post by humanbelly on Sept 11, 2013 18:13:47 GMT -5
OK, having now read the article, I'm a bit worried about Whedon's plans for Ultron. Lord help us when filmmakers try to make our beloved comic book characters more "interesting". Oh, I definitely think you'd be safe given Whedon the benefit of any doubt here, Ult. Firstly, his respect for and appreciation of the source material is second to none. While changes in detail and origin are inevitable, he's unlikely to lose sight of the character's inner life and demons. . . which are what make the character interesting to explore. Secondly, while Whedon is a film-maker, he honestly doesn't strike me at all as a "Hollywood-Image" guy (ironically, since he's, what?, third generation in his family in the industry?). What he is, is a story-teller-- that's his muse. And he's able to do that both as a straight-forward writer and as a visual story-teller. Nah-- his work is some of the stuff I have enjoyed more than almost anything-- anything-- else out there. It becomes almost a personal connection, and I feel safe giving him my trust. (Hmm- loopy, scary fan-boy alert, folks. Better send Security to the HB wing of the board. . . ) HB
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Post by humanbelly on Sept 11, 2013 18:16:09 GMT -5
Wow, HB, and I thought I had problems! I'm glad my son can't read yet! It's the whole young teenage daughter thing, I tell ya. Remember "Katie Kaboom"-- that so-so short series from the original Animaniacs show? That's HBGirl. Gets it from my sisters, I daresay. HB
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Post by Marvel Boy on Feb 7, 2014 21:08:34 GMT -5
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Post by humanbelly on Feb 8, 2014 9:44:01 GMT -5
Man, the guy LOOKS like the vision, doesn't he? Or at least looks like he could look, uh, like the Vision. On the HB & HBSon end (as we were among the contingent predicting this in some form immediately after seeing the first film last year), this is about 90 percent great news. The 10% reserve is because it seems like the movie is clearly, clearly, CLEARLY going right down the tragic "double-the-characters-double-the-fun" path, which seems to be an easy Hollywood substitute for character development. Rather than grow the existing characters, simply keep adding new ones. This was one of my main gripes w/ BUFFY as it meandered on into its later seasons, and Superhero films seem to be ridiculously prone to it. Whedon's a great storyteller, yes, both as a writer and director-- and I get that we're following a team-history framework, here-- but adding two mutants, a major villain, and another beloved, complex figure into a film that already has at LEAST eight major roles? Well, it either needs to be at least 3-1/2 hours long, or it needs to let go of some of the earlier characters (which marketing will NEVERNEVER, EVER let happen. . . ) HB
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Post by spiderman1984 on Feb 23, 2014 4:49:13 GMT -5
this sounds like great news, i can't wait to see the Vision, in the Movie, it is going to be a great Movie.
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Post by spiderman1984 on Feb 23, 2014 4:49:43 GMT -5
this sounds like great news, i can't wait to see the Vision, in the Movie, it is going to be a great Movie.
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Post by bobc on Jul 19, 2014 17:48:57 GMT -5
Why am I just now finding out that the Vision is going to be in the next movie? I'm happy happy happy! Not even the ghost of Bendis can dampen my friskiness now!
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jul 20, 2014 9:41:45 GMT -5
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Post by spiderwasp on Jul 20, 2014 16:19:32 GMT -5
Haven't posted in a while but I'm back. Actually, I did a NY trip followed by Greece and Italy with students so I've been a bit busy. Anyway, I'm totally excited about this movie and the EW article just heightened that excitement. I didn't realize Vision would be there either. It just gets better and better. The only thing that would make me even happier is Ant-man and the Wasp. Oh wait, they're getting their own movie right after this. Okay, I'm good.
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Post by ultron69 on Jul 21, 2014 8:53:54 GMT -5
Ant-Man movie, I'll believe it when I see it. I hope it happens, though.
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Post by bobc on Jul 23, 2014 7:46:09 GMT -5
It's official! We're all extremely excited!
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Post by Marvel Boy on Jul 24, 2014 12:38:01 GMT -5
Haven't posted in a while but I'm back. Actually, I did a NY trip followed by Greece and Italy with students so I've been a bit busy. Anyway, I'm totally excited about this movie and the EW article just heightened that excitement. I didn't realize Vision would be there either. It just gets better and better. The only thing that would make me even happier is Ant-man and the Wasp. Oh wait, they're getting their own movie right after this. Okay, I'm good. Wow, a trip to Greece and Italy? That sounds cool, hope it was a good one for both you and your students.
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Post by pym on Oct 25, 2014 4:40:01 GMT -5
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Post by bobc on Oct 27, 2014 8:07:09 GMT -5
I'm psyched! Can't wait to see the Vision and Wanda and Pietro!
But Spiderwasp--are you sure the Wasp is going to be in the Ant-man movie? I haven't seen anything about her being in it, in fact I've read that a lot of Marvel fans are upset that there was no sign of her in any of the blurbs about the Ant-man movie. I certainly don't know one way or the other, but it seems like Ant-man without the Wasp is a bad idea. I hope she's in it--she's one of my favorite Avengers. In fact, I'd have preferred her to the Black Widow in the first Avengers movie (although BW ended up being fantastic--especially that first scene where she appears to be captured for interrogation and winds up completely turning the tables).
Rumors are flying that Whedon is setting up an "Easter egg" for the Black Panther coming in Avengers 3! If I see that in A2, I will bellow "YES!!!!!!!" to my startled fellow movie-goers! As people quietly get up and move away...
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Post by spiderwasp on Oct 27, 2014 22:58:15 GMT -5
Actually Bob, at the time I posted that, the rumors were that Evangaline Lily would be playing Janet Van Dyne. I think it was even briefly listed that way on IMDB but my memory may be playing tricks on me. Later versions have said that she will play Hope Pym. The more I hear about that movie, the more my excitement fades. It sounds like they are making all the wrong decisions. I sure hope they prove me wrong and I really hope they end up putting her in it.
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Post by bobc on Oct 28, 2014 15:17:50 GMT -5
Well, Hank Pym without Janet is an abomination, IMO. I doubt you'd find many Marvel fans who'd disagree with that--and who is Hope Pym?
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Post by spiderwasp on Oct 28, 2014 19:13:57 GMT -5
Okay, I just checked out the IMDB site again and was wrong (Or it's changed again.) Lilly is not Hope Pym, she is listed as Hope Van Dyne. I would love to offer an explanation but I am at a total loss. All I can say for sure is that whereas my excitement at seeing Janet Van Dyne as the Wasp would be off the charts, my excitement for seeing someone else as the Wasp doesn't make the chart. I'm sure a non-comic book fan would think that's just silly but, for me, it makes all the difference. From what I'm been able to determine, the movie features Michael Douglas as Hank and Paul Rudd as Scott Lang. Lang will be the main character. Originally, I read that Hope would be Pym's daughter. I know that Yellowjacket will also be featured but that it won't be either of them. I'm confused. They have been very sparse with releasing information and have done it very poorly. For all the other Marvel movies, when they have released something as a teaser, it has increased audience excitement. It seems that, for this movie, every tidbit they release diminishes it.
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Post by bobc on Oct 29, 2014 9:03:27 GMT -5
Thanks for the info but good lord what a mess. I noticed on the meme that's going around regarding the upcoming Marvel movies that Ant-man isn't even on it. I have no idea what that means, if anything, but all this confusion doesn't seem very promising. I always remind myself that for every great X-Men or Avengers movie, there's been a craptastic Daredevil or FF movie so as to not get my hopes too high. But anyway, I'm with you 100% about the Wasp. I don't want anybody but Janet in that role--in fact, I'd rather see Hank Pym than Scott Lang in the lead role. I'm old school.
On another front, I am really happy that the Dr Strange movie is finally on its way (I think he is a character that has been criminally underutilized), and I'm equally stoked about the Inhumans movie. I also just read that the Black Panther is going to debut in the next Captain America movie! YES!!!
Winning...
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