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Post by bobc on Sept 5, 2011 17:04:12 GMT -5
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Post by humanbelly on Sept 5, 2011 18:07:59 GMT -5
Wellllllllll, wait bobc-- I'm just betting that taking these pictures at face value probably isn't a reliable indication of what the final, filmed product will be. Thoughts: 1) Cap's entire outfit looks so horrendously awful (cheap, even) that I can't imagine that this is what we'll be seeing. It would be absurd to let such a huge, ambitious film mega-project fail at such an obvious and basic level. I'll just bet that this is the "base" outfit upon which his final look will be digitally laid post-filming. At least, lord, I hope that's the case. Still not liking the helmet/mask combo, though. Makes Evans' head look comically large-- and you're right of course, the "A" simply doesn't translate effectively from animation to a live figure. 2) Hawkeye's uniform is a very unflattering design. It's much too busy & overdone, which makes the bare arms and completely uncovered head and face look unfinished or out of place. It also makes Renner's shoulders look awfully narrow, when it needs to do just the opposite. 3) Like the pics of Jeremy with the baby. He holds her with strength and confidence. 4) Wow, is Mark Ruffalo shorter than Robert Downey?? That's. . .well. . . definitely on the short side, if so. Which is a relief, since Bruce is SUPPOSED to be quite a little guy. 5) *sigh*-- she's beautiful & the outfit's fine. . . but Scarlett Jo simply reads as too softly feminine to me. Very "girly", and not particularly athletic or formidable. I actually would have bought someone like Summer Glau or Jennifer Garner in this role, because- even though not as devestatingly beautiful, perhaps-- they both carry themselves with the body-sense of an athlete or dancer. 6) Thor's outfit seems to be a little like Cap's-- like it may need digital enhancment down the road. His trousers seem much better to me, though. (Man, that is one good-lookin' fella. I heard young women in the audience go "oooh!" in that scene of his film where he was hanging around without a shirt on. I think. . . I think I hate his washboard-covered guts. . .  ) Great picture link, bobc-- thanks muchos! HB |
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Post by bobc on Sept 6, 2011 11:57:44 GMT -5
If CA is wearing that costume, I will boycott this movie. Freakin' Adam West's costume in 60's era Batman TV shows looked better than this. Ugh.
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Post by pulpcitizen on Sept 6, 2011 14:17:24 GMT -5
The Cap uniform does look awful; but that is without set lighting or any possible other embellishment - so not enough for me to boycott the movie, but enough to raise a concern.
I quite liked the combat uniform he wore in First Avenger, so I am not too worried at this stage since that did not appear right in stills released beforehand if I recall my initial response correctly.
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Post by bobc on Sept 6, 2011 16:36:29 GMT -5
I thought the costume in CA's movie was good. But this one is beyond bad.
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Post by humanbelly on Sept 6, 2011 18:17:43 GMT -5
I thought the costume in CA's movie was good. Yes-- yes it was, and. . . . . . yes-- yes it is. But stay calm, old pal-- stay composed-- it really, really might be alright. . . 1) The pulpcitizen's (cool handle, pc-- any deeper meaning there, or is it simply a nostalgic reference to the original comic book paper stock?) observation about the magical effect of lighting is extremely true. I had intended to mention it as well, and then lost track during my characteristically long post earlier. NOTHING will flatten out & "cheapen" a fancy costume more than bright, direct sunlight. All texture and depth goes away, and every surface starts to take on the nature of brightly-colored copy paper. 2) I daresay that "letting" some early photos sneak out into the public eye may be a good way to guage potential audience reaction. . . just as we're seeing here. So, if any of Joss Whedon's gang is lurking around this board: WE'RE REALLY WORRIED ABOUT CAP'S COSTUME, HERE. THIS UN-RETOUCHED VERSION IS NOT FILLIN' US WITH A LOT OF CONFIDENCE. . . ! 3) And with that kind of kidding aside-- I do trust Joss to have the right vision. I'm a huge Buffy fan (working through Season 5 first time right now); and a HUGER Firefly fan; and loved Dr. Horrible, as well. I can't see him letting his cast look stupid unless it directly serves the plot or the character. And I imagine that if he doesn't love a costume, he'll waste no time & have it changed. Keepin' my fingers crossed, though-- HB |
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Post by bobc on Sept 7, 2011 11:17:08 GMT -5
At least Thor looks good.
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Post by pulpcitizen on Sept 7, 2011 12:28:07 GMT -5
1) The pulpcitizen's (cool handle, pc-- any deeper meaning there, or is it simply a nostalgic reference to the original comic book paper stock?)... HB Slightly more arcane and possibly more dull reason - both at the same time! I am a comics fan of course, but also a tabletop minis gamer, and one of the games I play mixes up a take on superheroes and super-villains and is called Pulp City; I have a blog I maintain called the Pulp Citizen which charts my hobby forays with said game as well as tangential topics, and with message boards I have joined since launching that blog have tended to stick with the pulpcitizen nickname. |
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Post by humanbelly on Sept 7, 2011 19:49:11 GMT -5
1) The pulpcitizen's (cool handle, pc-- any deeper meaning there, or is it simply a nostalgic reference to the original comic book paper stock?)... HB Slightly more arcane and possibly more dull reason - both at the same time! I am a comics fan of course, but also a tabletop minis gamer, and one of the games I play mixes up a take on superheroes and super-villains and is called Pulp City; I have a blog I maintain called the Pulp Citizen which charts my hobby forays with said game as well as tangential topics, and with message boards I have joined since launching that blog have tended to stick with the pulpcitizen nickname. That is quite cool, pulp. (Pulpy? Pulpster? The Notorious Pulpy-Cee? ) Thanks for taking the time to share that bit of background, in fact. The etymological roots of some of our pseudonyms can be just as engaging as the names themselves are impenetrable, eh? (I'm starting to sound like vintage Chris Claremont. . .) I have to confess that I, too, have continued to be Humanbelly on a couple of remote boards since initiating the name here. . . . . . sadly, though, I haven't kept up with them. HB |
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Post by goldenfist on Jan 28, 2012 11:34:14 GMT -5
You love to judge the Avengers movie real harshly, You know what I don't care I'm going to see it.
Just because they based it off of the Ultimates doesn't mean it's going to suck.
Just because Edward Norton is not Bruce Banner doesn't mean that it will suck.
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Post by humanbelly on Jan 28, 2012 15:17:58 GMT -5
Ohhhhh GF, old pal, I'm pretty sure we haven't been as negative as all that. This old-ish thread was really just a discussion of what the costumes were looking like from early photo leaks-- and mostly just worried about Cap's, at that (with a few other small critical thoughts).
I don't recall anyone having a problem with the movie being Ultimates-based vs. Marvel U-based. I mean, it really doesn't look like it's too close to either. It's clearly another universe all its own-- a Marvel Movie Universe (. . . ummm, excluding Spidey, Wolvie, and the X-Men at this point. . .).
And I don't think Ed Norton's dropping out & being replaced by Mark Ruffalo is an issue on this board, either. Loved Ed Norton as Bruce Banner-- but he is known to be an incredibly difficult, demanding, and meticulous film actor. I actually don't remember offhand if he left on his own of if he was let go-- but those things do happen in Hollywood, and I'd MUCH rather have a different (fine) actor step into Bruce's shoes than to lose the Hulk from the story, believe me!
I can't imagine that anyone on this board seriously has an agenda of trying to start a boycott of the film. Truly. I would be stunned if we didn't have near-100% attendance from our little community here. Surely the question will be "how many times did you see it?", as opposed to "Did you see it?"
Am I in the right ballpark here, Teammates?
HB
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Post by goldenfist on Jan 29, 2012 1:07:31 GMT -5
Really Humanbelly
This whole board has been negative towards everything Marvel
has put out.
Everybody thinks they know the Avengers better than the people
that created them, wrote them, and drew them.
If that is true then how come I don't ever hear your names in the
comic book companies.
When I wasn't posting I read what was posted and stood away
cause the whole board has become place of so much hate towards one writer.
Guys the writers you loved left Marvel long ago and they ain't
coming back so if you don't like today's stories then go back to the silver age, bronze age, cooper age and the 90's cause today's world is not for you.
I guess I'm gonna have to defend the Avengers movie from the
whole board when I hear someone say it sucks.
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Post by Shiryu on Jan 29, 2012 6:37:31 GMT -5
Well, not really. There has been a lot of appreciation for Avengers Academy, the EMH cartoon and some other stuff Marvel has put out. Even in terms of movies, I would say the majority of comments on Captain America, Thor and X-Men First Class has been positive. The Avengers movie is going to be criticised by those who don't like it and praised by those who do, just like anything else. No reason to get defensive.
Personally, I can't wait for this movie to come out.
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Post by humanbelly on Jan 29, 2012 7:01:16 GMT -5
Well, not really. There has been a lot of appreciation for Avengers Academy, the EMH cartoon and some other stuff Marvel has put out. Even in terms of movies, I would say the majority of comments on Captain America, Thor and X-Men First Class has been positive. The Avengers movie is going to be criticised by those who don't like it and praised by those who do, just like anything else. No reason to get defensive. Personally, I can't wait for this movie to come out. Same here- (Mornin', Shiryu-!) And heck, I'll even toss in that I really liked both Iron Man films, all three Spiderman films, and the first two X-men films. And enjoyed Wolverine and the more recent Hulk movie. I even didn't hate Ghost Rider-- which puts me wildly in the minority-- although it hasn't stuck with me. The first FF film was more or less watchable for me, even. There are probably few movie-goers as forgiving and open to being pulled into the story as ol' HB. Good Lord, I think I'm the only person on the continent that rather liked Green Lantern----! HB |
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Post by Shiryu on Jan 29, 2012 10:56:40 GMT -5
Same here- (Mornin', Shiryu-!) And heck, I'll even toss in that I really liked both Iron Man films, all three Spiderman films, and the first two X-men films. And enjoyed Wolverine and the more recent Hulk movie. I even didn't hate Ghost Rider-- which puts me wildly in the minority-- although it hasn't stuck with me. The first FF film was more or less watchable for me, even. There are probably few movie-goers as forgiving and open to being pulled into the story as ol' HB. Good Lord, I think I'm the only person on the continent that rather liked Green Lantern----! HB Ditto (well, except GL that is). I really liked Spidey 1 (I still remember the buzz in college when it came out!) and 2, Iron Man 1, X-Men 1 and 2. X-Men 3, IM 2, Daredevil, Wolverine and probably even the 2nd FF could have been better but were watchable. It's only the 2 Hulks, the 3rd Spidey and the first FF that I didn't like (never watched Elektra and Ghost Rider I fear). Hey, I even liked the first two Blades that started it all. |
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Post by spiderwasp on Jan 29, 2012 20:22:36 GMT -5
Really Humanbelly This whole board has been negative towards everything Marvel has put out. Everybody thinks they know the Avengers better than the people that created them, wrote them, and drew them. If that is true then how come I don't ever hear your names in the comic book companies. When I wasn't posting I read what was posted and stood away cause the whole board has become place of so much hate towards one writer. Guys the writers you loved left Marvel long ago and they ain't coming back so if you don't like today's stories then go back to the silver age, bronze age, cooper age and the 90's cause today's world is not for you. I guess I'm gonna have to defend the Avengers movie from the whole board when I hear someone say it sucks. Dude, you couldn't be more wrong. As has already been stated, many of us love Avengers Academy. I also think Young Avengers is one of the best things of the past 20 years. Children's Crusade has been excellent. I personally loved all of the movies that have led to the Avengers movie and can't wait for it to come out. The animated series has been excellent. So, how dare you accuse any of us of hating everything Marvel puts out or say that today's world is not for us. We have indeed been very vocal about our dislike of, as you said, one particular writer. The problem is that the one particular writer has written over 200 issues of multiple Avengers titles. I would say I'm sorry that I don't like the guy but I'm not. I, and everyone else have every right to express our opinions about him or about anyone else while, hopefully, respecting other people's rights to like him and like the current direction of other books as well. You, on the other hand are behaving in exactly the opposite manner. You are making your attacks personal toward the people who post here and I, for one, don't appreciate it. Furthermore, your argument that we thnk we know the Avengers better than the people who created them, wrote them, and drew them is ridiculous. They were created, written, and drawn by a multitude of people, for one thing. Some of them have always been better than others. However, you don't have to be one of those people in order to offer opinions on how you think things should be. As far as I'm concerned, feel free to criticize Bendis or defend him to your hearts content but if you can't respect the opinions of everyone else, maybe this board isn't for you. Finally, if you are already prepared to defend the movie against anyone who says it sucks, then yours isn't an opinion I'm likely to put much stock in. I am ready, willing, and able to defend the Hulk, Ironman, Thor, and Captain America movies against anyone who says they suck but that is because I have seen them. I hope and expect that I'll feel the same way after I see the Avengers movie but since you've already decided it's good months before its release, it's easy to see why you are so quick to defend Bendis. You decide you're going to like something before reading/seeing it so quality or lack of quality isn't likely to change your mind. |
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Post by bobc on Jan 30, 2012 13:13:10 GMT -5
Golden Fisty--reading your post makes me wonder if you actually read these threads. Pretty much everyone here LOVES EMH. I was a huge fan of Millar's original Ultimates--so I have no idea what you're talking about. I happen to love Avengers Academy and Thunderbolts--they are some of the best books Marvel has ever put out. What creators do we want "to come back" exactly? I never read anything like that on this forum.
Yeah there are things we don't like, but last I checked we are allowed to have an opinion. I don't see people attacking each other on this forum--it is usually very civil. We might be mostly old-schoolers, but so what?
Is this a Bendis thing? I think he SUCKS, and if you don't like it, too bad.
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Post by goldenfist on Jan 30, 2012 14:03:52 GMT -5
I know you have your opinions and I have read most of the topics and I always have to defend New Avengers from everyone
that hates because it's not the Avengers they remember.
I know Bendis is not the only guy the board hates with a passion
but there are other things to talk about then just bashing Bendis
every d**n day of the week.
I even have to defend the Sentry because everyone on the board
hates him.
Which is the reason why I don't always post on this board.
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Post by Shiryu on Jan 30, 2012 14:27:20 GMT -5
With all due respect GF, if you already know the kind of posts you are likely to find in the New Avengers section, why reading there in first place? Stick to those topics where the comments on recent books is positive and just ignore the others.
You take it at heart way too much. People are entitled to their opinions, be them praise or criticism. You can't expect those who hate Bendis not to say so for fear of upsetting those who do. It's not a conspiracy, it's just expressing one's opinion. You don't *have* to defend Bendis, NA, the Sentry or Marvel, they don't need it really. If you like them, say so and explain why, but don't get upset if people think otherwise.
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Post by starfoxxx on Jan 30, 2012 16:02:09 GMT -5
Really Humanbelly This whole board has been negative towards everything Marvel has put out. Everybody thinks they know the Avengers better than the people that created them, wrote them, and drew them. If that is true then how come I don't ever hear your names in the comic book companies. When I wasn't posting I read what was posted and stood away cause the whole board has become place of so much hate towards one writer. Guys the writers you loved left Marvel long ago and they ain't coming back so if you don't like today's stories then go back to the silver age, bronze age, cooper age and the 90's cause today's world is not for you. I guess I'm gonna have to defend the Avengers movie from the whole board when I hear someone say it sucks. goldenfist, this post is a load of crap. Nobody has commented on the Sentry for YEARS. What the heck is the "Cooper" age? I've been talking up Gage, Abnett and Lanning's writing for YEARS. Bendis still sucks and your posts make you seem like a whiney, cry-baby d-bag. Grow up or get lost. |
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Post by bobc on Jan 30, 2012 16:24:08 GMT -5
Yowch! Dang, Starfoxy!
You know, I was going to say I haven't posted a thing about Bendis in forever, mostly because I haven't read anything by him in years. And I don't recall anybody else doing so, either. It's really cheap to say we don't like him because we hate change, when most of our current favorite books are new or semi new (Ultimates, Avengers Academy, etc).
I don't read Bendis because I don't like his work. Why can't you apply the same principle to this forum?
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Post by freedomfighter on Jan 30, 2012 22:48:26 GMT -5
Really Humanbelly This whole board has been negative towards everything Marvel has put out. Everybody thinks they know the Avengers better than the people that created them, wrote them, and drew them. If that is true then how come I don't ever hear your names in the comic book companies. When I wasn't posting I read what was posted and stood away cause the whole board has become place of so much hate towards one writer. Guys the writers you loved left Marvel long ago and they ain't coming back so if you don't like today's stories then go back to the silver age, bronze age, cooper age and the 90's cause today's world is not for you. I guess I'm gonna have to defend the Avengers movie from the whole board when I hear someone say it sucks. I love Daredevil and have been talking it up like crazy. I liked Slott's Mighty Avengers and I really like Avengers Academy. So your statements just aren't true. Also to use the argument "you're not writing for Marvel" is a straw man argument. Just because I don't work there doesn't mean I can't criticize. I do after all, help pay their bills and have done so for nearly 40 years. Without guys like me, there wouldn't be a Marvel for guys like you. So keep that in mind. And you know what else I find interesting? Look at this way- Bendis was say, selling 100k copies of Avengers on average, but that's a very small sampling of the potential audience out there, and there are a lot of people who don't like his work (not just on this board, mind you), so maybe, just perhaps we have valid points and by dismissing them with your callous "you old fans suck" attitude does everyone a disservice. As for many of the writers having left Marvel that's true, I suppose, but there are some left like Mark Waid and Peter David and newer guys like Dan Slott and Christos Gage whose work I enjoy. But if your attitude is going to be "like the new Marvel or else,", sorry kid -ain't gonna happen. I will feel free to like what I want. if you don't like that, I don't care and I will not miss you if stop posting. |
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