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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 12, 2007 16:00:40 GMT -5
I know therre are many more varieties, but I want to know about which of these is your favorite.
There is a reason why I put Cap and Skull as my first option. That is one of the longest strongest rivalries going. These guys keep fighting from beyond death.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 12, 2007 16:20:31 GMT -5
Reed/Doom, without QUESTION.
Founder of the "Age of Marvels" versus the single greatest villain in the marvel universe. Their deep hatred and relationship goes FAR, FAR deeper than any of the others, even down to Skull/Cap and Thor/Loki.
Hell, Reed trapped himself in a dimension with Doom supposedly for ETERNITY to stop Doom hurting his friends, and Doom brutally SLAUGHTERED one of the only two woman he ever loved and made a deal with the creatures who stole the soul of the other just to get Reed.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Apr 12, 2007 18:18:37 GMT -5
I think Magneto & Xavier's long struggle is perhaps the most interesting one, even tragic..
Which is a shock to myself, as I've never followed closely the X Men corner of the MU...
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Post by BigDuke on Apr 13, 2007 8:15:17 GMT -5
Cap vs Skull, hands down.
The ultimate good guy vs the ultimate bad guy with its premise hatched in reality.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Apr 14, 2007 15:03:21 GMT -5
I know therre are many more varieties Granted, but Spider-Man vs. Venom?!? Regardless of which Venom(s) this option is meant to cover, it shouldn’t be too hard to find a Spidey–villain feud that’s actually classic and interesting. Anyway, I went with Reed vs. Doom. Doom is Marvel’s supervillain par excellence; Reed is his premier foe and can be a heck of a compelling character in his own right. |
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 14, 2007 15:31:33 GMT -5
Agreed, Spidey/Green Goblin is an all time classic which is ten times the strength of the manufactured Spidey/Venom dynamic.
ASM 122 is all the proof anyone needs of that
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 14, 2007 23:08:21 GMT -5
I know therre are many more varieties Granted, but Spider-Man vs. Venom?!? Regardless of which Venom(s) this option is meant to cover, it shouldn’t be too hard to find a Spidey–villain feud that’s actually classic and interesting. Anyway, I went with Reed vs. Doom. Doom is Marvel’s supervillain par excellence; Reed is his premier foe and can be a heck of a compelling character in his own right. My most heart-felt apologies. I got caught up having just read "Reign" <ugh> and it was on my mind. I definitely should have gone with Goblin |
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 16, 2007 8:52:34 GMT -5
DD vs. Bullseye. The intrigue of a blind man against a maniac in whose hands anything is a weapon...
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Post by Shiryu on Apr 18, 2007 3:19:55 GMT -5
Uhm, Thor vs Loky. Strenght vs cunning, and for once the cunning one is the villain  |
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 19, 2007 11:19:45 GMT -5
Gotta admit, DD/Bullseye always fuilt manufactured to me.
Well, until Frank Miller anyway.
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 19, 2007 12:01:32 GMT -5
Prior to Miller, there were maybe 2-3 altercations between the two. Having read right off the newstand Bullseye's first DD appearance in issue #131, it certainly didn't feel "forced" to me -- the match-up of skills of each man seemed an able fit for conflict.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 19, 2007 14:06:16 GMT -5
Yes but it was never an ARCH rival thing anymore than Hobgoblin is Spidey's nemesis.
Mind you, I tend to be like that- I don't really consider the Goblin Spidey's arch-rival until post-ASM 122. Ones like Doom and Magneto though, they are rivalries from day one. Magneto/Xavier would be my second simply because it's the most tragic and has some of the best storytelling behind it.
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 19, 2007 14:36:41 GMT -5
Yes but it was never an ARCH rival thing anymore than Hobgoblin is Spidey's nemesis. I guess I don't know that, prior to the Kingpin and Bullseye, both under Miller's watch, that DD had an "archrival". The Owl, maybe? Other recurring villains like the Gladiator and the Matador just aren't "big" enough to fill the shoes of a Bullseye or Kingpin. So I would agree with your assessment here. I don't really consider the Goblin Spidey's arch-rival until post-ASM 122. I would, however, disagree here. If you follow the Goblin from ASM #14 on, there are a whole bunch of stories in a short amount of time that culminate in the revealing of each players' identity. But, when you add in the tabloid-size Spectacular Spider-Man (which is excellent, if you've never seen it) and then the drug issues (#96-98), you certainly by that time have built toward "archrival" status. The only other characters in the #122-down period who could claim "archrival" status with Spidey are Kingpin and Doc Ock. |
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 19, 2007 14:38:50 GMT -5
Absolutely, but from ASM 122 it's almost indsputable that the Goblin is Spidey's arch-rival. Before that, it can be argued, from then on it's basically fact and the only ones who beg to differ are diehard DOc Ock and Venom fans.
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 19, 2007 15:21:48 GMT -5
I guess I would say "a" Goblin was the arch nemesis -- Harry, Dr. Bart Hamilton, Ned Leeds, Jack O'Lantern, etc. I think Norman Osborn's return (yep, we've discussed it elsewhere, and I'll stick to my guns that I continue to think it was a horrible move. Doesn't diminish the impact of the issues I mentioned above, but I just still think it was unnecessary) has dominated the Spidey books for the past 15 years or whatever, but (and I say this is unfortunate as well) perhaps you are closer when you mention Venom and his various spawns to be the real Spidey archrivals.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 19, 2007 15:29:07 GMT -5
I agree the return was a hideous mistake but nevertheless, several writers, such as...you know it!... MILLAR and now Ellis have shown that every cloud has a silver lining and he can still be used startlingly well.
Venom became an overused gimmick after five years.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 19, 2007 19:04:34 GMT -5
They also seem to have run all of the Symbiote offshoots out of steam as well.
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