Is Gilgamesh alive?

[freedomfighter]

I'm an action figure guy. I like to customize and decided since I'm half done with my new Loki figure I would start on Gilgamesh (like to have a good ratio of hero to villain in my Avengers diorama--might as well go all out nerd ;D ) . But couldn't find much good picture reference for my favorite Gilgamesh look-- his silver "Forgotten One" costume from various Thor and Eternals issues so I started looking online. And I know from the retcons of The Crossing that Rita DeMara and Gil are always presumed possibly alive but it appears that wikipedia is presenting a current cover image that is Gilgamesh?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgotten_One_(comics)

Anybody read Eternals 5? Is Gilgamesh back in continuity?


EDIT: Evidently Gil has been back since Eternals #3. Guess most of us Avengers fans haven't been following this one too closely...

[woodside]

Who?

[Dr. Hank Pym]

Sept 21, 2008 22:43:18 GMT -5 woodside said:

Who?

No other word sums up Gilgamesh more properly than this one. Exalt for woodside!

[freedomfighter]

wow, haters in the house...better not complain when I give the same treatment to Ares, Echo and Deathcry among others.

[Doctor Bong]

Well, Gil may be alive and well as per the latest Eternals continuity but I guess within the "Avengersverse" he seems to be so generally loathed and despised that for all intents and purposes he remains dead...
The consensus seems to be that his dead was the one good thing which came out of the Crossing.

[freedomfighter]

Sept 22, 2008 10:40:07 GMT -5 Doctor Bong said:

Well, Gil may be alive and well as per the latest Eternals continuity but I guess within the "Avengersverse" he seems to be so generally loathed and despised that for all intents and purposes he remains dead...
The consensus seems to be that his dead was the one good thing which came out of the Crossing.

I truly don't get this. The character had a ton of potential. He's a world weary, seen too much violence character straight out of legend. In fact, according to him, many legends formed from his deeds. He served the Celestials as sort of their herald and may have some unique insight into their workings.
This guy sounds very interesting on paper.
Did his Avenger appearances tank? Sure, but why blame Gilgamesh for the diaper and horned helmet looks he had to sport?
Why blame him for the badly written shoehorned Avengers team he got thrown on? Why blame him for John Byrne's supremely forgettable run as writer on the Avengers?
Unlike Ares whose character has suddenly done a 180 and was putting children in danger less than probably two years ago Marvel time, or Deathcry an obvious X-Men character thrown into the Avenger mix just to pull in that readership because of her Sh'iar and X-ties, or Sentry, a very one note idea whose personality quirk makes him impossible as a viable character (if you ever cure him, he's too impossibly powerful to be interesting, but since you can't cure him, the stories lack a viable pull for the reader)...unlike all of these characters, he's got an interesting backstory to be expanded on, a current tie to several possible good storylines (why did the Celestials pick him anyway...? Did he let himself die during the Crossing seeing as minus complete molecular decohesion, most Eternals can't die unless they allow it, essentially) and personality conflicts a good writer could play with.
Personally I'd much rather have this guy in my sandbox than 90% of what's out there. Then again, I'd actually attempt to write a good storyline for him...

[Doctor Bong]

Sept 22, 2008 22:28:32 GMT -5 freedomfighter said:

Sept 22, 2008 10:40:07 GMT -5 Doctor Bong said:

Well, Gil may be alive and well as per the latest Eternals continuity but I guess within the "Avengersverse" he seems to be so generally loathed and despised that for all intents and purposes he remains dead...
The consensus seems to be that his dead was the one good thing which came out of the Crossing.

I truly don't get this. The character had a ton of potential. He's a world weary, seen too much violence character straight out of legend. In fact, according to him, many legends formed from his deeds. He served the Celestials as sort of their herald and may have some unique insight into their workings.
This guy sounds very interesting on paper.
Did his Avenger appearances tank? Sure, but why blame Gilgamesh for the diaper and horned helmet looks he had to sport?
Why blame him for the badly written shoehorned Avengers team he got thrown on? Why blame him for John Byrne's supremely forgettable run as writer on the Avengers?
Unlike Ares whose character has suddenly done a 180 and was putting children in danger less than probably two years ago Marvel time, or Deathcry an obvious X-Men character thrown into the Avenger mix just to pull in that readership because of her Sh'iar and X-ties, or Sentry, a very one note idea whose personality quirk makes him impossible as a viable character (if you ever cure him, he's too impossibly powerful to be interesting, but since you can't cure him, the stories lack a viable pull for the reader)...unlike all of these characters, he's got an interesting backstory to be expanded on, a current tie to several possible good storylines (why did the Celestials pick him anyway...? Did he let himself die during the Crossing seeing as minus complete molecular decohesion, most Eternals can't die unless they allow it, essentially) and personality conflicts a good writer could play with.
Personally I'd much rather have this guy in my sandbox than 90% of what's out there. Then again, I'd actually attempt to write a good storyline for him...

Personally I agree, freedomfighter. I consider Gilgamesh worth 3 points within the context of our ongoing Avengers poll... 3 points for development (or lack of...) of the character as it stands... but if we were talking POTENTIAL IMO of the character I would give him a 5.