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Post by Dr. Hank Pym on Jun 24, 2008 9:30:14 GMT -5
I'm slightly interested in reading one of the two current Avengers series out there. Does anyone know which one they would recommend? New Avengers, or Mighty Avengers? I'm leaning towards the Mighty team, since a few of my favorite characters are on that team, and I hear Spider-Man and Wolverine are on the New Avengers!  Thank you! |
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Post by woodside on Jun 24, 2008 9:46:10 GMT -5
Both. They both tell the same basic story, just from two different perspectives. It makes for some interesting duality. Plus, with "Secret Invasion" going on, the two books are focusing on how the Skrulls have infilitrated the world while "Secret Invasion" itself features the main cast of both books.
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Post by scottharris on Jun 24, 2008 13:30:20 GMT -5
Plus, with "Secret Invasion" going on, the two books are focusing on how the Skrulls have infilitrated the world while "Secret Invasion" itself features the main cast of both books. In other words, the Avengers don't really appear in either of their own titles, as the books are excuses for Bendis to stroke his own ego and just ramble on about whatever crap happens to come into his mind. Just like every other issue of Avengers he's ever written. Sorry to be so negative, but I was thinking last night about the Bendis stories in New Avengers and it worked me into a righteous rage. To answer your question, Mighty Avengers is much closer to the concept of the original Avengers series, so if you're an older fan, it would probably suit you more. |
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Post by starfoxxx on Jun 24, 2008 15:34:15 GMT -5
I'm slightly interested in reading one of the two current Avengers series out there. Does anyone know which one they would recommend? New Avengers, or Mighty Avengers? I'm leaning towards the Mighty team, since a few of my favorite characters are on that team, and I hear Spider-Man and Wolverine are on the New Avengers! Thank you! You might want to wait until this Secret Invasion mess is over, since the Avengers team(s) haven't played a significant part in either book for months.  |
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Post by woodside on Jun 24, 2008 18:55:17 GMT -5
Oh, just ignore ol' Scott Harris here.  The current issues are tying in the backstory of the invasion. Like most of Bendis' books, the books are stronger as a whole than on a month-by-month issue. Bendis strokes his ego as much as other writers, really. Plus, with "Secret Invasion" going on, the two books are focusing on how the Skrulls have infilitrated the world while "Secret Invasion" itself features the main cast of both books. In other words, the Avengers don't really appear in either of their own titles, as the books are excuses for Bendis to stroke his own ego and just ramble on about whatever crap happens to come into his mind. Just like every other issue of Avengers he's ever written. Sorry to be so negative, but I was thinking last night about the Bendis stories in New Avengers and it worked me into a righteous rage. To answer your question, Mighty Avengers is much closer to the concept of the original Avengers series, so if you're an older fan, it would probably suit you more. |
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Post by spiderwasp on Jun 24, 2008 20:32:59 GMT -5
Scottharris and Starfoxx are 100% on. I dropped New Avengers a while back but was still enjoying Mighty, though not as much as the older stuff. The Secret Invasion issues have had nothing in the world to do with the Avengers, however, and if I don't see some Avengers soon, I'll be dropping that title as well. Bendis has a tendency to just tell whatever story he wants to and throw the Avengers title on it so people will buy it. This is true with Illuminati as well. The book is actually pretty good but it is no more an Avengers title than it is a Fantastic Four, Inhumans, or Defenders book. There just seems to be a contention at Marvel these days that as long as it says Bendis and and Avengers on the label label label you will like it like it like it on the table table table. (My apologies to anyone who isn't old enough to remember the old Libby's commercials)
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Post by Dr. Hank Pym on Jun 25, 2008 12:35:41 GMT -5
Thank you everyone! I will follow starfoxxx's advice and wait until both books go back to actually involving their teams (Though I'm leaning towards picking the Mighty team!)
Awwwww, crud. That's not fair for people like me, who haven't followed the whole story. How many back-issues would I need to buy?
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Post by spiderwasp on Jun 25, 2008 13:02:32 GMT -5
Awwwww, crud. That's not fair for people like me, who haven't followed the whole story. How many back-issues would I need to buy? All of them. That's one of the many problems with Bendis. You can't just pick up a few issues. It's the same logic that led to me stopping watching "Lost." Individually the episodes weren't very good and didn't keep my interest. The creators then went public with statements that people would see the pay offs later but implied that only the smarter, more sophisticated vierwers would have the foresight to stick with it and really find out. They weren't interested in the viewers who just wanted instant gratification. I think that's a ridiculous cop out. If viewers and readers buy into this kind of logic, it simply gives permission to writers of every kind of media to write crap and then make us feel bad if we stop reading or watching it. Good writers are able to be entertaining and compelling in the short and long term. If you are willing to stick it out, and in the end, the writer was wrong and the payoff was not that good you've invested all that time/money into it for nothing. Many people will then swear that it was good anyway because they will have criticized everyone who didn't stick with it along the way and have taken such pride in being one of the ones who was more enlightened. Think of Bendis as one of the tailors who sold the Emperor his clothes. Many people may rant and rave about the great quality of his writing and sales may be high but THERE'S NOTHING THERE! |
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Post by woodside on Jun 25, 2008 13:42:22 GMT -5
Pick up "New Avengers - Volume One: Break-Out" trade paper back and give it a read. If you like it, then it's easy to just go from there and I believe it'll give you a good idea as to how Bendis handles the Avengers.
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Post by Dr. Hank Pym on Jun 25, 2008 14:38:44 GMT -5
spiderwasp: I TOTALLY agree! It's one of the things that bugged me way back in the 80's too... it always bugged me how I'd get a new Avengers in the mail, and it'd be the 2nd or 3rd part of a story to a comic that I didn't subscribe to in the first place... You are so accurate in how it hurts television. I think it's mostly a ploy to get people to buy older seasons of television shows on DVD so they can know what's even going on! woodside: I'll check it out, thank you!  |
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Post by Van Plexico on Jun 25, 2008 20:51:13 GMT -5
The point I made at the AvengersAssemble panel at HeroesCon about the two books was this:
NEW AVENGERS is a book that is very "dark" in tone and appearance, but the characters in it are striving for freedom and fighting for what they believe in.
MIGHTY AVENGERS is a book that has a very "light" appearance and tone (bright, happy colors, and even thought balloons!), with mostly classic Avengers characters doing heroic-seeming things-- and yet there is a pervasive sense of darkness running through almost every issue, because many of the team members honestly wonder if they're on the right side and doing the right thing.
I find that very interesting.
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Post by Shiryu on Jun 26, 2008 16:22:51 GMT -5
It's a tricky question, and I agree it's better to wait until SI is over, since the current issues are rather impossible to follow unless you are also buying the main crossover book.
More generally, I have a slight preference for New Avengers, but in truth the only Avenger there is Hawkeye, who now goes by Ronin, whereas there are more classic avengers in M.A.
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Post by starfoxxx on Jun 26, 2008 18:41:44 GMT -5
The premise for two teams would work for me especially in a post-Civil War MU, but the way Bendis is handling it is too convoluted for me. I'd really like to see a "street level" New Avengers team with Dr Strange, Power Man, Iron Fist, Hawkeye (not as Ronin), and some other heroes who oppose registration (maybe Black Panther and Storm). NOT Spidey and Wolvie, though. Oh and Cap as the leader would be my wish, but i realize none of this will happen, and the repercussions from Civil War seem to be dangling, forgotten, or maybe will have something to do with Secret Invasion. Man, I was really excited about the 50-state Initiative ( a super-team for every state!--I couldn't wait to see who would protect my home state of DELAWARE! But what the heck happened???) Again, way too convoluted for my tastes. BMB's IDEAS seem so cool when I read what's happening in a solicit or preview-but when I read the actual comic---meh. not so great. Iron man's Mighty Avengers would benefit from dropping Sentry, and I wish BMB will spend some time developing the chemistry of this team, rather than Secret Invasion plots. Ares could work, but so far has not developed into an interesting character. I'd rather see this team hanging out together like the pool scene with Ms. Marvel, Jan, and Natasha. Carol and natasha's thought bubbles are not only annoying, they seem really out of character for them. And more Wonder Man. please! For that matter, more AVENGERS, PLEASE!!!!!! |
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Post by Doctor Bong on Jun 27, 2008 0:31:09 GMT -5
The premise for two teams would work for me especially in a post-Civil War MU, but the way Bendis is handling it is too convoluted for me. I'd really like to see a "street level" New Avengers team with Dr Strange, Power Man, Iron Fist, Hawkeye (not as Ronin), and some other heroes who oppose registration (maybe Black Panther and Storm). NOT Spidey and Wolvie, though. Oh and Cap as the leader would be my wish, but i realize none of this will happen, and the repercussions from Civil War seem to be dangling, forgotten, or maybe will have something to do with Secret Invasion. Man, I was really excited about the 50-state Initiative ( a super-team for every state!--I couldn't wait to see who would protect my home state of DELAWARE! But what the heck happened???) Again, way too convoluted for my tastes. BMB's IDEAS seem so cool when I read what's happening in a solicit or preview-but when I read the actual comic---meh. not so great. Iron man's Mighty Avengers would benefit from dropping Sentry, and I wish BMB will spend some time developing the chemistry of this team, rather than Secret Invasion plots. Ares could work, but so far has not developed into an interesting character. I'd rather see this team hanging out together like the pool scene with Ms. Marvel, Jan, and Natasha. Carol and natasha's thought bubbles are not only annoying, they seem really out of character for them. And more Wonder Man. please! For that matter, more AVENGERS, PLEASE!!!!!! Well, if the idea of 2 Avengers teams works for you, how about a revival of the West Coast Avengers, then...? In fact this could even be fleshed out as a way to bring back Cint into his role as Hawkeye, as this could provide a plausible rationale for him wanting to reclaim his old identity in order to vindicate the WCA once and for all... But yes, I know... it almost certainly won't happen on BMB's watch... |
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Post by Doctor Bong on Jun 27, 2008 0:45:08 GMT -5
If I would have my way, I would replace the 50-state Initiative with 4 Avengers teams, based in NYC, the LA area, Seattle and Miami.
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Post by starfoxxx on Jun 28, 2008 18:51:24 GMT -5
I absolutely LOVED the WCA. One of my favorite limited series all-time. And probably the title that delivered the most consistently for my tastes, up until around #75. I like your ideas, Bong. Man, I'm jonesin' for the old school Avengers.........(sigh).........
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Post by Dr. Hank Pym on Jun 29, 2008 22:02:41 GMT -5
starfoxxx: I also love the WCA! I often wish that it had a longer run... that's one book that could've gotten a few more years!
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