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Post by goldenfist on Oct 12, 2007 13:47:41 GMT -5
The Sentry is not liked by alot of comic fans so I came up with the this poll should he be taken off the Mighty Avengers.
There are three Poll Questions so vote and post your opinion about the Sentry.
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Post by balok on Oct 12, 2007 18:27:08 GMT -5
He should come out of the Mighty Avengers and keep right on going out of the Marvel Universe. He's so clearly a poor man's Superman that he's suitable only for mockery.
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Post by bendisbites on Oct 14, 2007 10:56:25 GMT -5
Here's the problem with Sentry as I see it. If you ever cure his various psychoses, he's a boring omnipotent hero. If you let him keep them, he's an ineffectual hero. He's good as a character if you explore a beginning middle and end with him, but he's awful as an open ended character, and that's what they're doing with him. Give him a good story and send him off. It's the best thing to do. Otherwise he's either going to be depowered or some other ridiculous pointless shift in the character. Sending him packing would be for his own good.
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Post by goldenfist on Oct 15, 2007 15:14:52 GMT -5
I doubt that Marvel will get rid of him cause they are keeping him no matter what.
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Post by Shiryu on Oct 15, 2007 16:32:47 GMT -5
Yep, and off the land of livings, possibly for good.
However, I'd especially like it if he gets a big beating at the hands of Thor before disappearing, just to re-state to everyone who's the strongest ;D
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Post by goldenfist on Oct 24, 2007 20:52:09 GMT -5
Read the last issue of WWH and see how the Sentry fight's the Hulk.
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Post by fatbob on Oct 25, 2007 10:41:22 GMT -5
I voted to get rid of him, though not for the reason listed ("he's boring") but because I'm worried the longer he stays around, the greater the chance he'll be used in more and more retcons. All this nonsense about the most powerful superhero, but everyone forgot him?? Nah, get rid of him and the sooner the better.
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Post by balok on Oct 25, 2007 13:34:08 GMT -5
My big problem with him centers on the fact that the writers don't seem to know how to use him, which is kind of what one might expect of a character with little backstory. So he tends to sit around and not do much. I'm baffled as to why Marvel introduced a character without a bunch of clear ideas of how to fit him into the various books where he appears. It seems like they did half the design: they came up with the character, but not the plan for integrating him into their world.
It's kind of a shame because there's potential for storytelling, but as things stand right now, the Sentry is a failure, at times comically so.
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Post by Engage on Oct 27, 2007 19:43:51 GMT -5
I'm in love with the Sentry concept. The reluctant, terrified, pacifist hero is the sort of thing that could really be amazing.
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Post by goldenfist on Oct 27, 2007 23:58:27 GMT -5
I like the Sentry but everyone hates him.
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Post by spiderwasp on Oct 28, 2007 5:08:35 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with the basic concept of having an extremely powerful hero who suffers from identity lose and reluctance to use his powers. The problem I have with the character is the whole retcon thing about him having always been there but everyone forgot. That idea, however, is so inane that it overpowers every positive thing I might otherwise be able to say about the character. That and the fact the fact that he's been thrown at us so hard and played as a major Marvel player instead of working him in as the newcomer he is. I don't hate the character himself but there are far better choices to fill his spot on the team.
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Post by Alchemist-X on Oct 28, 2007 13:50:19 GMT -5
My big problem with him centers on the fact that the writers don't seem to know how to use him, which is kind of what one might expect of a character with little backstory. So he tends to sit around and not do much. I'm baffled as to why Marvel introduced a character without a bunch of clear ideas of how to fit him into the various books where he appears. It seems like they did half the design: they came up with the character, but not the plan for integrating him into their world. It's kind of a shame because there's potential for storytelling, but as things stand right now, the Sentry is a failure, at times comically so. I totally have to agree with all that. His original story (Which needed to be mostly undone to bring him to the MU) wasn't so bad, but since then, he's just been shoe horned into everything, and he completely lacks any character or character development.
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Post by woodside on Nov 2, 2007 21:35:08 GMT -5
My big problem with him centers on the fact that the writers don't seem to know how to use him, which is kind of what one might expect of a character with little backstory. So he tends to sit around and not do much. I'm baffled as to why Marvel introduced a character without a bunch of clear ideas of how to fit him into the various books where he appears. It seems like they did half the design: they came up with the character, but not the plan for integrating him into their world. It's kind of a shame because there's potential for storytelling, but as things stand right now, the Sentry is a failure, at times comically so. Here's the problem with Sentry as I see it. If you ever cure his various psychoses, he's a boring omnipotent hero. If you let him keep them, he's an ineffectual hero. He's good as a character if you explore a beginning middle and end with him, but he's awful as an open ended character, and that's what they're doing with him. Give him a good story and send him off. It's the best thing to do. Otherwise he's either going to be depowered or some other ridiculous pointless shift in the character. Sending him packing would be for his own good. Agreed on both points. Bendis doesn't seem to know what to do with him. I say, hand him off to Paul Jenkins to play with. Give him his own on-going to develop instead of being part of an ensemble.
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Post by uberwolf on Nov 3, 2007 1:08:20 GMT -5
Bendis doesn't seem to like high powered characters to begin with. Makes one wonder why he even chose Sentry for the team.
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Post by woodside on Nov 3, 2007 9:16:30 GMT -5
Bendis doesn't seem to like high powered characters to begin with. Makes one wonder why he even chose Sentry for the team. I dunno if it's so much doesn't like them as it is that he's just not very good at writing them. He's professed his love for the Sentry a few times, but when it comes to really giving him a clear purpose and direction, Bendis falls flat. Ditto with Ares.
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Post by goldenfist on Nov 3, 2007 23:24:35 GMT -5
Why not have the Sentry go meet the other Superman like charac ters that Marvel has created.
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Post by uberwolf on Nov 4, 2007 9:25:57 GMT -5
Which superman-like characters are you refering to goldenfist? Hyperion? Nefaria? I'm sure there's others. Memory ain't what it used to be.
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Post by uberwolf on Nov 4, 2007 9:44:40 GMT -5
I dunno if it's so much doesn't like them as it is that he's just not very good at writing them. He's professed his love for the Sentry a few times, but when it comes to really giving him a clear purpose and direction, Bendis falls flat. Ditto with Ares. So why does BENDIS! have a problem with high powered characters? His Sentry has done basically nothing, his Dr. Strange is only powerful when BENDIS! wants him to be. I haven't read Mighty but from comments here it seems his Ares is laughable too. Having Hank Pym, founding father and in fact the person who came up with the name Avengers, amazed to be in the presence of a god after all the YEARS of being around Thor and Hercules is.... is... I don't even know what that is. It's just wrong. So maybe someone can explain how a 'great, money making, writer' can be so off on major character characterization? P.S. I'm NOT ... not... even being sarcastic here. I really want to know if someone can explain this to me.
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Post by woodside on Nov 4, 2007 11:11:29 GMT -5
I really think that Pym's reaction has been exaggerated. It was just kind of a "whoa" moment, as opposed to "HOLY CRAP! THERE'S A GOD IN FRONT OF ME! THIS CHANGES MY LIFE EVEN THOUGH I KNEW THOR AND HERCULES!" Or who knows? Maybe Pym is a Skrull.
As far as Bendis having trouble with more powerful characters, I dunno. Doctor Strange comes across well. Ares and the Sentry, though, are both rather shallow and boring. Ares is just like a "Thor with an attitude!"-kinda character. Sentry, well, you know how I feel about him.
But part of it may just be that not all writers can write every character. In fact, I feel that very few people are good at "universal" character writing (as in being able to write every single character consistently and well). Mark Waid, Jim Starlin, Jim Shooter, Kurt Busiek and Ed Brubaker come to mind. Bendis, Millar, Miller, JMS, Morrison, and a few others just miss sometimes.
Bendis' best characters are those that are more down to Earth. It's easier to relate to Peter Parker or Luke Cage or even Tony Stark (and sometimes he's off there) than to relate to Sentry and Ares. They're too powerful. Sentry's problems just aren't being handled right, so I can't understand what he's going through. Ares is kinda evil, but trying to be good - but thats not being played up more (which it should be). He plays the uber-powered charactes like he does the super-heroes in "Powers." Untouchable, but flawed - yet flawed in ways we can't see. It just doesn't work.
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Post by uberwolf on Nov 5, 2007 10:30:04 GMT -5
Ok, that makes sense. It just seems to me if you're going to put a writer on any Avengers title they should be somewhat adept at writing high powered characters, cause you know there is going to be a few.
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Post by woodside on Nov 5, 2007 11:53:03 GMT -5
Ok, that makes sense. It just seems to me if you're going to put a writer on any Avengers title they should be somewhat adept at writing high powered characters, cause you know there is going to be a few. Agreed! Which is why Bendis is such an akward fit for Avengers and why New Avengers is the stronger of the two titles as it features (again) the more down to Earth characters.
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Post by goldenfist on Nov 5, 2007 15:28:37 GMT -5
Hey American Avenger I'm refering to Superman like characters like Gladatior,The Hyperio n of the Squadron Supreme,Ethan Edwards(who is a pastiche of Clark Kent),Marvel made two Hyperion's that have the name Zhib-Ran then you have the Hyperion of Supreme Power, Even a weap on X version of Hyperion appeared in Exiles but he was more like Ultraman is of the Crime Syndicate.
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Post by uberwolf on Nov 6, 2007 10:52:03 GMT -5
Hey American Avenger I'm refering to Superman like characters like Gladatior,The Hyperio n of the Squadron Supreme,Ethan Edwards(who is a pastiche of Clark Kent),Marvel made two Hyperion's that have the name Zhib-Ran then you have the Hyperion of Supreme Power, Even a weap on X version of Hyperion appeared in Exiles but he was more like Ultraman is of the Crime Syndicate. Is Hyperion really a good match up with Sentry? Thor used to knock him around on a regular basis and he doesn't have the power of 500 x 2 exploding suns. Or he might.... Thor looks a little more powerful now. As for Gladiator.... according to Byrne, back in FF #somethingorother, much of his power comes from confidence in his own ability. If you get him doubting himself he loses a good portion of his powers. That's if I remember it right.
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Post by goldenfist on Nov 7, 2007 23:25:33 GMT -5
Yes American Avenger you got that right about Gladiator, I just saw Hyperion and the Classic Squadron Supreme fighting against their Supreme Power counterparts in Ultimate Power Hyperion attacked Ultimate Wolverine with his atomic vision and half of Ultimate Wolverine's face was Adamantium skull.
Hyperion was also wearing the mask that Bucky used to wear.
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Post by starfoxxx on Dec 1, 2007 15:23:33 GMT -5
having a super powerful character (like Superman) usually stinks in a team book. Sentry IS a boring character. wonderman or anybody could have killed venom or carnage or whoever.(Like they'll stay dead anyway). but I always enjoyed Thor or Herc as members, not sold on ARES yet. Thor and Giant-man or Goliath on the same team was always cool, with a big strong guy on the team, but also a god-strong guy, too. Sentry sucks and should end up with Gilgamesh, who also was a rip-off, boring character.
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Post by starfoxxx on Dec 6, 2007 15:54:57 GMT -5
I just picked up a copy of Jenkin's Sentry #1 in a $1 bin. Wow I never knew how stupid a character he is. The aspect of a CLOC that warns him of all types of dangers/disasters, then Sentry decides who to save is lame. This reminds me of something DC would do with a character, not a modern Marvel character, and certainly not an Avenger or team player. Disappear,Sentry.
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Post by goldenfist on Dec 7, 2007 16:15:46 GMT -5
Well Starfoxx DC was intrested in him in the late when Paul Jenki ns created him but it turns out the deal never went through.
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Post by starfoxxx on Dec 7, 2007 17:54:26 GMT -5
Interesting, it probably would have worked better.
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Post by dave74 on Dec 15, 2007 16:51:41 GMT -5
I hate to sound like a broken record, but I've not embraced the Sentry or the storyline. It's like the Dallas Who Shot J.R. storyline. It was all a dream. Only in this case. . .the entire Marvel Universe forgot. Man, I wish Thanos would just kick his. . . .
Sentry . .. Thor. . .Sentry . . ..Thor. . .hmmmm. . ..
It's a no brainer. . .
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