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Post by redstatecap on Aug 17, 2007 22:34:06 GMT -5
"The Ultimate Spider-Man super-team of Bendis and Bagley reunity and just in time for the Avengers' biggest problem ever!!! A Venom Virus his the city of New York!! A Venom virus!! The entire city of New York turns symbiote. Plus, Wonder-Man gets a much-needed makeover. All this and Tony Stark gets himself a green-skinned present in a body-bag." [Bold and italics are mine.]
Ah, Marvel -- House of Ideas.
I do have to question where the "Venom Virus" idea originally came from, since it's obviously too sophisticated for Brian Bendis to be the source.
Whatever else happens, at least Wonder-Man is getting a makeover. That goes a long way to reassure me that the Avengers are in good hands after all.
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Post by balok on Aug 19, 2007 16:19:33 GMT -5
A venom. Virus.
There are no words.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Aug 19, 2007 16:44:25 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm not following the overreaction here. A venom virus is a threat of the kind that has been seen before and could cause interesting stories.
You can't be going to argue that it's stupider or more ridiculous than any number of plots the Avengers have faced before- the Templar and all tjat Triune Understanding business springs to mind from Volume 3.
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Post by Alchemist-X on Aug 19, 2007 18:51:12 GMT -5
Wonder-man gets a makeover? Does that mean good by evening-coat?
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Post by redstatecap on Aug 19, 2007 21:59:39 GMT -5
I want to see "Smoking Jacket Wonder Man."
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Post by spiderwasp on Aug 19, 2007 22:35:11 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm not following the overreaction here. A venom virus is a threat of the kind that has been seen before and could cause interesting stories. Personally, I don't have a problem with a Venom virus. Of course, I didn't have a real problem with a female version of Ultron either so I guess I'm in the minority on a few things. The story has progressed too slowly and I still don't like Bendis' style of dialogue, but that's another issue. I don't generally have a problem with individual storylines unless they disregard established character or create changes that have what I consider negative effects that far outlast the single storyline and are almost impossible for future writers to rectify (Which is why I hated Disassembled and the way the New Avengers were formed so badly). A typical storyline, however, will come and go but if you don't like it there's always a good chance you'll like the next one better or you can stop reading for a little while and then check when a new writer comes on board to see if you like the new direction better. Again my problem with New Avengers and much of the current direction of the books stems from the fact that I think it will be unlikely that a new writer, even one that we older fans see eye to eye with will be able to completely undo the damage. However, I think we have sometimes (And probably with good reason) jumped the gun on reactions. At this point, there are very few storylines that could be previewed that won't recieve the quick criticisms. This, I'm sure, is because we, the older fans, have been burned so often in recent years, but I do think we should make more of an effort to be reactive rather than proactive with our criticisms or it really does make it look like we are just cynical and out to attack Marvel no matter what they do. I would hate for it to appear that we want Marvel's storylines to fail. I personally would love to see a return to the days when I was excited about most of the storylines in the books I read. I also sometimes forget that, even in its heyday there were still times I dropped books and there were still storylines that made me feel almost embarrassed for having read them. |
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Post by balok on Aug 20, 2007 14:54:42 GMT -5
Some writers might pull a story like this off. But Bendis is assuredly not among them. He is not deft enough with plot or dialog to manage a tricky story.
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Post by thew40 on Aug 20, 2007 23:51:42 GMT -5
I want to see "Smoking Jacket Wonder Man." RSC I'll pay good money to see him in a "Members Only" jacket. SpiderWasp - exalt for you. |
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Post by bendisbites on Aug 21, 2007 10:52:08 GMT -5
I'm annoyed with the storyline mainly because marvel managed to make me sick of Venom, carnage, symbiotes, et al. with the proliferation of them for several years.
There was a point where Venom would pop up in every marvel book except Barbie Fashion in the 90s.
So swirling tentacles of goo, big teeth and talons are now my cue to leave a book on the stands.
Because most of the stories were really bad and I got sick of seeing them.
Just one man's opinion.
However I won't be surprised when I'm told I'm wrong to have it...
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Post by Doctor Doom on Aug 21, 2007 11:16:13 GMT -5
Venom stories WERE spammed, but they were bad stories because they were badly written, not because they included Venom.
And I'd never tell you your opinion was wrong, BB- why would I steal your role like that?
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Post by thew40 on Aug 21, 2007 11:53:51 GMT -5
Venom stories have been fewer in the past couple of years, thank goodness. But you're right. Venom and Wolverine practically owned Marvel back in the 90s. Yuck.
But at least Venom is kind of a neat character. Unlike Carnage . . .
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Post by bendisbites on Aug 21, 2007 12:58:21 GMT -5
Venom stories WERE spammed, but they were bad stories because they were badly written, not because they included Venom. And I'd never tell you your opinion was wrong, BB- why would I steal your role like that? Heh ain't it funny that you thought that was about you, automatically? Ever hear Carly Simon's "You're So Vain"? And a character can become played out, especially one like Venom who isn't much more than a cipher minus a human host. So for me, even the inclusion of him in a story reads like everyone else that has been done before. |
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Post by goldenfist on Aug 21, 2007 15:37:48 GMT -5
Who the heck came up with the Venom Virus.
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Post by Bored Yesterday on Aug 22, 2007 11:25:26 GMT -5
It's a great Bendis plot. The Avengers can stand around in a lab waiting for their antidotes to ripen and talk about TV shows or other mundane facets of life for 6 issues. Then the grand finale will take place when they hand the vat of antidote over to the Dept. of Public Health workers to distribute off panel.
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Post by redstatecap on Aug 22, 2007 11:46:01 GMT -5
Heh heh heh heh heh.
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Post by balok on Aug 22, 2007 12:00:08 GMT -5
It's a great Bendis plot. The Avengers can stand around in a lab waiting for their antidotes to ripen and talk about TV shows or other mundane facets of life for 6 issues. Then the grand finale will take place when they hand the vat of antidote over to the Dept. of Public Health workers to distribute off panel. Consider yourself exalted. If I wasn't so terribly, terribly sick of Venom, and Carnage, I might be interested. But Marvel overexposed the character and killed my interest. It was "kewl" for its day and they didn't know when to stop. |
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Post by Alchemist-X on Aug 22, 2007 13:29:12 GMT -5
Well at least it'll be Bagely by the time this story rolls around right? I have confidence in his symbiote drawing ability, and badly drawn symbiotes are one of the big killers of some of those Venom and Carnage stories, cuz when Venom and Carnage are drawn bad, its real bad.
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