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Post by thew40 on Jul 19, 2006 14:52:51 GMT -5
Hey gang!
Civil War # 3 came out today.
Non-spoiler comments:
Not a bad issue, though not nearly as good as issues 1 and 2. I think the art was a little sub-par this issue, in comparison, and that's what really halted this issue from being a good as the others.
For the most part, a decent issue.
SPOILER SPACE!
Tony's meeting with the X-Men was neat and a nice tie to "Civil War: X-Men." Nice use of history there, with Emma questioning Tony as to why the Avengers weren't on Genosha when it was destroyed. Great stuff.
The downtime with Cap and the gang was neat, but not long enough.
The battle between heroes was a mix. It came off a wee bit cliched, save for the Iron Man/Captain America battle. Woohaa. Awesome.
The last page was a mild surprise. Less so than Spider-Man's unmasking, but it was cool. I geeked out a little, even though I was expecting it and I knew it was coming at some point during the series.
~W~
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Post by Yellowjacket on Jul 24, 2006 7:00:14 GMT -5
You´re right about that, plot-wise it is not as good as the first two books, but not bad either. The confrontation was due and I did like Cap´s handling of IM. ;D
A quite unpleasent surprise was McNiven´s art - some of the action scenes are sub par. Reminds me of Alex Maalev´s action scenes.
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Post by Shiryu on Jul 24, 2006 10:33:00 GMT -5
A bit of a funny question but, does Dr. Strange make an apperance in the issue ? (From that depends wether I will manage to find it somewhere or have to wait until it comes out in Italy  Can't wait for the new Forbidden Planet store to open close to where I work !) |
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Post by jacksquat on Sept 6, 2006 16:07:00 GMT -5
Spider-Man got really annoying.
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Post by Ultron on Sept 7, 2006 14:06:38 GMT -5
The way they treat Spider-Man these days, as a little hanger on that spits out the ocasional joke, kinda reminds me of a sitcom character like Leah Reminih's character father on Queen of Queens. Ya know, it's there for the comedic relief.
To quote another sitcom which he was on: "S E R E N I T Y, NOW!! S E R E N I T Y, NOW!!"
And a nice, advanced, happy Festivus to you too.
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Post by Doctor Doom on Sept 8, 2006 16:46:58 GMT -5
... I really don't understand, genuinely. Can you please explain to me why you think that about Spidey, Ultron? he's my second favourite Marvel character and thus far he's acted EXACTLY as I believe he should have during CW so please elaborate. Seriously, I'm interested on your POV.
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Post by thew40 on Sept 8, 2006 20:30:02 GMT -5
Seriously, I'm interested on your POV. My karma will probably take a hit by me saying this, but it has been my experience that Ultron doesn't really have a POV. He just likes to fire out snid and annoying comments that have little to do with the discussion at hand and instead just looks for ways to seem cool. ~W~ |
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Post by Ultron on Sept 8, 2006 23:30:00 GMT -5
No, i simply had the pleasure, and priviledge, to grow up reading Ditko, Stan Lee, and Roger Sterns Spider-Man. Anyone who has done so knows exactly how misscharacterized the archetype is. All those issues, are now available as Essentials and Masterworks, and there's a pretty good reason they're called that - They're as much as essential to anyone who wants to know the character, as they are comic book writting historical masterworks.
Any good delving into those classic, history making, now legendary, stories will quickly reveal that the character did not wear a multilegged armour, was not married to a supermodel, nor was Iron Man's personal anecdote maid.
Now, let's see what even a silly source like Wikipædia has to say about Comic Relief
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Post by Doctor Doom on Sept 9, 2006 6:36:19 GMT -5
... I'm still not seeing your point AT ALL, Ultron.
In addition to being a major, central character in the story, Spidey, to a degree, plays a role for some comic relief.
Um... well, yeah.
Duh.
That's kinda what Spidey has always done.... like, always. Except in many of the oldest issues he didn't.... so are we to say that every time Spider-Man insults an enemy or says a funny line, he's acting WILDLY OUT OF CHARACTER. Because that's what I seem to infer from the way many people talk.
I read Spidey, I've read Spidey for well over a decade (though MUCH less than many.) and I just... I'm genuinely at a loss to explain how Spidey being 'comic relief' AS WELL as a major, serious and critical player is 'out of character' here.
And honestly, I need to agree with thew40 to a degree here- every time you post Ultron, it seems to be negative. Every time. Without fail, you seem to regard what you say as absoloute fact to which there can be no argument. And much as, like thew40, I know MY karma will take a hit for it, I am 100% convinced that you would complain even if Marvel were to bring out their best crossover eve- OH WAIT! THEY HAVE! And yes, you DO complain.
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Post by dlw66 on Sept 9, 2006 9:32:06 GMT -5
And honestly, I need to agree with thew40 to a degree here- every time you post Ultron, it seems to be negative. Every time. Without fail, you seem to regard what you say as absoloute fact to which there can be no argument. And much as, like thew40, I know MY karma will take a hit for it, I am 100% convinced that you would complain even if Marvel were to bring out their best crossover eve- OH WAIT! THEY HAVE! And yes, you DO complain. I disagree with you, Doomsie, on a couple of points. First, Ultron is one of our more cynical posters, but I like that -- thinking in the extremes (and our buddy thew40 is often polar to guys like Ultron and bobc) requires the reader to evaluate all that is being said. I think whether it be comics, politics, religion, or whatever, most people find their truth in the middle. Are there some good elements, some thought-provoking elements in Civil War? Sure. Some (love ya, bobc) craptastic moments? Oh, yeah! Is it overall the worst story ever? Nah. But it sure as heck isn't the best. For my money, I don't like company-wide crossovers. It's too expensive on the consumer, the stories get too convoluted as editors try to get all of the characters involved (some forcibly), and the ramifications often cease after only a year or so. I will tip my hat to DC for Crisis on Infinite Earths -- that was done well, it was right and served a purpose, and the changes for the most part lasted a generation. Civil War to me is just an extension of New Avengers -- it is for marketing purposes only and continues to change the behavior of "people" I've known for around 35 years. |
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Post by Ultron on Sept 9, 2006 23:28:36 GMT -5
And honestly, I need to agree with thew40 to a degree here- every time you post Ultron, it seems to be negative.  |
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Post by Ultron on Sept 9, 2006 23:32:14 GMT -5
Are there some good elements, some thought-provoking elements in Civil War? Sure. Some (love ya, bobc) craptastic moments? Oh, yeah! Is it overall the worst story ever? Nah. But it sure as heck isn't the best. Heck. Annihilation and Planet Hulk are better than Civil War  |
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Post by Doctor Doom on Sept 10, 2006 4:23:28 GMT -5
Well again of course, that's your opinion. I can cite a half dozen sources which disagree, I'm sure you could cite many which AGREE. For example, offhand, IGN put Civil War as the best comic published by Marvel and have Incrddible Hulk as (I believe) third, with Annihilation nowhere in the top ten. Myself I have never 'gotten' the Hulk, so I can't really judge, and while Annihilation is good, it isn't fantastic.
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Post by dlw66 on Sept 10, 2006 14:06:56 GMT -5
Ultron, don't think we didn't notice that you made two (2!) posts in a row that were not negative. Now that's poor characterization!  |
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Post by Doctor Doom on Sept 10, 2006 14:37:56 GMT -5
Don't be too flattering, dlw66: The second was negative towards Civil War  |
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Post by dlw66 on Sept 10, 2006 19:16:50 GMT -5
Ah, but positive toward two other stories! My glass is half-full.
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Post by balok on Sept 10, 2006 21:28:27 GMT -5
I expect to dislike the end of Civil War a lot. I can't see this story going anywhere but to some pretty miserable places. I hope Millar surprises me.
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Post by steed on Sept 11, 2006 11:54:25 GMT -5
I don't think Spidey's acting wildly out of charactor but I do think he's acting like some one who is beginning to wonder if he made a huge mistake and joined the wrong side.
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Post by steed on Sept 11, 2006 11:58:43 GMT -5
And I also expect to dislike the end of Civil War. There hasn't been alot that I've liked so far. Too many characters are acting too strangely for my taste. I find the previews for Civil War #4
to be disturbing at best.
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Post by steed on Sept 11, 2006 11:59:38 GMT -5
Hey, someone gave me a Karma point. How did that happen?
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Post by Shiryu on Sept 13, 2006 14:32:42 GMT -5
I don't think Spidey's acting wildly out of charactor but I do think he's acting like some one who is beginning to wonder if he made a huge mistake and joined the wrong side. Completely agree with you there, and this is further explored on ASM. Of the heroes on the Pro Registration side he seems to be the one with most doubts, and for once he is a major player in the crossover. Looking forward to see how this evolves. |
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Post by jacksquat on Sept 13, 2006 22:13:59 GMT -5
Spider-Man got really annoying. The reason I found him to be annoying was because, I like it when he wise cracks to villians but when he does it to other heroes(like in this issue) I find it annoying(especially since I'm on Cap's side). |
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