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Post by Shiryu on Nov 16, 2007 4:49:01 GMT -5
I have just finished reading this crossover and, despite knowing already some of the key facts, I was surprised by the 7's decision to kill the Supreme Intelligence for what it had done (especially since it meant going against Cap's leadership). I was wondering, how was this taken back in the day when the books came out? Does anyone remember what did the public think about the Avengers killing in cold blood? What did you think of it?
As a sidenote, Iron Man mentions twice that he is the only founder present, so at the time Cap had not yet been give retroactive status qualification as in V3.
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Post by dlw66 on Nov 16, 2007 8:39:34 GMT -5
It was the beginning of the end for the Avengers for me, leading to the downward spiral that has only briefly been interupted by some of the Busiek/Perez run. Once the team turned that corner, it was easy to put Wolverine on the team and such things.
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Post by scottharris on Nov 16, 2007 13:51:47 GMT -5
As a sidenote, Iron Man mentions twice that he is the only founder present, so at the time Cap had not yet been give retroactive status qualification as in V3. Actually, I'm pretty sure Cap was given that status a long time ago, although it's pretty weird; the first time this is mentioned, it's not even Cap pulling rank, it' s a skrull impersonator. In Avengers #92 the Big Three show up and fire the rest of the Avengers based on their status as founders. Later on we find out they were skrulls. If my memory is correct, some readers questioned why the current Avengers accepted Cap's statement that he was a founder and their explanation was that somewhere along the way he had been granted founder status in the charter. At least, I'm pretty sure that's what happened. I think Iron Man's references in Galactic Storm to him being the only founder around was simply another case of Iron Man acting like a dick. |
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Post by Shiryu on Nov 16, 2007 14:59:42 GMT -5
You are right, now that you mention it I also remember that issue, and shortly after the Vision says something like "it was your right as founders", referring to Cap too.
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Post by Tana Nile on Nov 18, 2007 0:41:52 GMT -5
I have just finished reading this crossover and, despite knowing already some of the key facts, I was surprised by the 7's decision to kill the Supreme Intelligence for what it had done (especially since it meant going against Cap's leadership). I was wondering, how was this taken back in the day when the books came out? Does anyone remember what did the public think about the Avengers killing in cold blood? What did you think of it? Shiryu, I remember when I read that story, and it really shocked me that Iron Man just decided the SI had to die. I can recall Clint saying, "Don't do this Shellhead!" It was very significant at that time to see such a rift between team members, particularly Cap and IM. |
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Post by sharkar on Jan 22, 2008 22:32:05 GMT -5
I was wondering, how was this taken back in the day when the books came out? Does anyone remember what did the public think about the Avengers killing in cold blood? What did you think of it? I just read this within the last couple of years (in the tpbs), so I can't answer your question, Shiryu; but I enjoyed the Galactic Storm storyline very much, a true epic. The saga was very effectively presented in a two volume tpb collection (I can't say what my reaction would have been if I'd have read it as originally presented, spread out over many months over various titles). I was not crazy about most of the art, but it didn't matter; the story and characterizations were compelling throughout. I didn't know too much about this story beforehand so I was shocked when the Avengers split into two factions, with one group hellbent on putting an end to the Supreme Intelligence Supreme. The stories in the aftermath, dealing with the repercussions, were just as absorbing. The tpb (Volume 2) also contains a What If? story (What If the Avengers Lost Operation Galactic Storm) and this story is every bit as pessimistic as the real deal. An aside: a few pages are obviously misordered in the What If? story, though; I wonder how the book made it to print without anyone correcting this beforehand. |
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Post by Shiryu on Jan 26, 2008 14:49:07 GMT -5
So there are 2 tpbs collecting the whole saga? They must be quite big, that saga was divided in over 15 issues from what I remember, not including the aftermath and the what if.
I'm not too fond of some of the characterizations, but the overall plot was quite intriguing, I agree.
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Post by sharkar on Jan 27, 2008 11:03:53 GMT -5
So there are 2 tpbs collecting the whole saga? Shiryu, yes, the saga was collected in two tpbs (I have them in front of me as I type): Volume 1:Captain America #398 Avengers West Coast #80 Quasar #32 Wonder Man #7 Avengers #345 (this is the cover used for Volume 1) Iron Man #278 Thor #445 Captain America #399 Avengers west Coast #81 Quasar #33 Wonder Man #8 Avengers #346 Volume 2: Iron Man #279 Thor #446 (this is the cover used for Volume 2) Captain America #400 Avengers West Coast #82 Quasar #34 Wonder Man #9 (my favorite issue apart from the Avengers issues and Cap #401) Avengers #347 Captain America #401 Quasar #35 Quasar #36 What If? #55-#56 (this made me cry...a very effective What If?, IMO) |
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