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Post by Nutcase65 on Mar 30, 2007 20:53:22 GMT -5
Well, this proves that things don't just happen in todays books that make our jaws drop in disbelief. This issue shows Magneto MIND CONTROLLING both the X-men WITH XAVIER and most of the Avengers. Explanation, controlling the iron in their blood to limit flow to the brain giving him limited control of their minds. Wha?!?!?!? Controlling XAVIERS mind? Not to be outdone the Vision then mind controls by overlapping someones brain and materializing just his brain Wha?!?!?!? I'm very glad they didn't do this too often. Giving these two great characters this power was just a little silly. This issue gets a paltry 1/2 Loony out of 10  |
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Post by Shiryu on Mar 31, 2007 13:20:32 GMT -5
In those times, many, shall we say, "unlikely things" happened. I remember Iron Man that, in one of the early Avengers issues, makes an ologram that allows him to see and speak everywhere in the planet  |
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Post by dlw66 on Mar 31, 2007 16:14:53 GMT -5
He was doing that loooooonnnnnggggg before Darth Sidious was ;D!
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Post by Bored Yesterday on Apr 2, 2007 8:32:20 GMT -5
Iron Man's hologram was in issue 3, I believe. It's astounding, because it can see and hear, as well as speak. It's basically an astral projection. He uses it to go looking for the Hulk and asks all the other Marvel heroes: X-Men, Spider-man, and FF (that was pretty much all of them then). Finally, after annoying the hell out of most these people, Thor has the idea, "well, the Earth's heroes have no more information than we. Before giving up, let us consult with young Rick Jones!" Sure enough, Rick Jones finds Hulk in like 20 minutes. That's one of my favorite events in the early part of the series.
I was bummed about the Magneto mind control too, when I read issues 110 and 111. Especially, since I was really looking forward to the rematch of Magneto and the X-Men. Issues 47-49 and 53 were some of the best of Volume I, and the cover to 110 is one of my favorites as well. When I finally read it adn got to the mind control plot, I was really bummed out. I just told myself that there was something else going on, some kind of sedative being used as well taht would reduce the resistance of the Avengers. Something!
I didn't interpret that the Vision had controlled anyone by being inside him. I thought he was just concealing himself inside that other person. I kind of liked that. Not sure where he hid his cape, but whatever. Its still more plausible that Magneto's mind control trick.
Despite the far out plot devices, these issues are fun to read, because of the thrill of seeing Magneto fight the Avengers. That's good stuff.
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 2, 2007 16:24:50 GMT -5
Bored, read it again towards the end. It comes right out and says that the Vision was able to control the guy by only materializing his brain over the other guys. Hand to God, I almost plotzed. and you know what the guy said when he came out of it?
he said "Oy"
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Post by Doctor Doom on Apr 2, 2007 16:25:58 GMT -5
So we instantly forgive this as opposed to That Time Wonder Man Got Hurt Slightly More Than We Think He Should Have in today's comics?  j/k |
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Post by Bored Yesterday on Apr 3, 2007 8:45:33 GMT -5
NO -- We NEVER forgive.
I INSIST that Magneto's and Vision's mind control powers be restored. The new editors have no respect for continuity. They're ruining the Marvel Universe! Are we supposed to pretend issue 110 and 111 never happened -- but the cover to 110 is so cool!
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 3, 2007 9:21:57 GMT -5
The cover to 110 is one of the best of that era.
I think the whole story suffers most from the pencils of Don Heck, although the splash for #111 is a pretty picture.
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Post by sharkar on Apr 3, 2007 19:30:15 GMT -5
I'm not too crazy about the cover to #110, probably because Cyke and Marvel Girl are sporting their old costumes. That kind of editorial sloppiness ruined the cover for me. Also, in #111, Jean's hair is colored brown- -another distracting miscue. Not to be outdone the Vision then mind controls by overlapping someones brain and materializing just his brain In #111 Wanda says this is the first time he's ever attempted to do that ("be" in someone else's body), but then how to explain what the Vision did years earlier, in #79? In #79, the Vision is shown emerging from Power Man's body--and, unbelievably, Power Man is in the Visions' body (at least, PM's voice emerges from the Vision's body), prompting the Swordsman to exclaim "The Vision traded places with Power Man!" WTF? If the Vision dematerializes into someone's body, then that person moves into the Vision's body? Or did the heroes just dress up Power Man in a spare Vision outfit, complete with red skin, forehead jewel and all? |
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 3, 2007 22:22:27 GMT -5
Space Phantoms at work.
I don't have a copy of #110 in front of me, but if Cyke and Jean are in the old school blue/yellow suits, that is appropriate -- they wore those during the Secret Empire arc in Captain America, which would be approximately the same timeframe.
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Post by sharkar on Apr 3, 2007 22:36:07 GMT -5
Thanks, dlw, that makes sense. So now the discrepancy becomes this: they're depicted in the original blue and yellow old uniforms on the cover (which fits in with the timing of the Secret Empire story, as you state...the Avengers story precedes the Cap arc by about 6 months but we all know Marvel does not use a literal timeline)...but in the Avengers interiors #110-#111, they're wearing their "new" (1968) uniforms! So the cover image contradicts the interior images. And yes, I know sometimes covers aren't meant to be taken literally...but at the time I felt it was just careless.
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 4, 2007 9:41:16 GMT -5
I've really dropped te ball on this whole thread. Here is the cover to #110:  Here is the cover that I THOUGHT was #110:  I'm OK now... it pays to do a little research before getting involved in a conversation... And by the way, the cover for #114 is cool -- the one for #110 is so-so  |
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Post by Nutcase65 on Apr 4, 2007 10:19:14 GMT -5
you should be ashamed,... how can you say anything to do with Mantis is 'cool'
This one says you have lost your mind.
Oh crap, I'm talking like her.
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Post by dlw66 on Apr 4, 2007 10:51:12 GMT -5
Nutball (or whatever you're calling yourself this hour...) --
I am a big fan of Englehart's run, sans the tree wedding. I really like the whole Mantis story, particularly the Celestial Madonna arc. I just thought it was epic (again, up to the tree point, which was somewhat (??) silly).
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Post by ultron69 on May 8, 2009 7:13:01 GMT -5
Yeah, this was a horrible powering up. It was pretty weak science, even by comic book standards, and came from out of nowhere. It must have been created just to come up with a story and, mercifully, was more or less forgotten. I do love Englehart's run, though, and I liked Mantis, though not as much as Englehart did.
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