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Post by dlw66 on Nov 16, 2006 21:45:23 GMT -5
I'll go with Kang, because of the endless possibilities of the timestream and the dynamics of the Kang/Rama-tut/Doom/Immortus personalities.
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Post by Bored Yesterday on Nov 16, 2006 22:07:36 GMT -5
Kang. He was created as a villain for the Avengers, and he is by far their greatest threat. Ultron's adamantium shell is a little too gimmicky for me. The villain teams -- much as I love them -- have had such variable memberships, that it's hard to see them as one team over time.
A thought about the Collector -- he was kind of a wuss in his first couple of appearances. As far as appearances in the Avengers title, he was never a truly serious physical opponent until Bob Harras's run. while his tactics were always effective, the Avengers, prior to Harras, pretty much out powered him in straight ahead combat. I always liked him though. Anybody else think he was inspired by comic book collectors themselves, those people who are so intent on collecting all the heroes and encapsulating them? I kind of think he was invented by Stan in response to the growing comics fandom of the 1960s -- sort of a caricature.
But Kang all the way. He's a major threat. Always has been.
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Post by redstatecap on Nov 16, 2006 22:20:01 GMT -5
Michael Korvac!
RSC
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Post by spiderwasp on Nov 16, 2006 23:08:08 GMT -5
Maybe not most people's top choice but I've always liked the Grim Reaper. His motivations are so deeply rooted in Avengers history.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Nov 17, 2006 1:51:02 GMT -5
Since the question was frased as "you most like to see", I'll go with the Squadron Sinister. Those times when the 2 teams clashed always resulted in a fun read for me.
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Post by Bored Yesterday on Nov 17, 2006 8:50:48 GMT -5
I could almost change my vote to the Squadron. Those were great books, and were always one of my favorite super teams over all.
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Post by BigDuke on Nov 17, 2006 8:53:54 GMT -5
I always have loved Ultron as a villain. Whenever he shows up I get excited because I know the Avengers are going to have to pull out every bit of power and cunning they can muster to beat him. He gets tougher every time. And there is that weird familial relationship he has with Hank and Vision.
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Post by dlw66 on Nov 17, 2006 10:37:21 GMT -5
I should have put the Grim Reaper as a choice -- there have been some very memorable stories involving him (and at times various cohorts). If you feel strongly about him, just check "other" and then tell us who you had in mind!
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Post by balok on Nov 17, 2006 20:12:39 GMT -5
Ultron. Kang is certainly up there, but the best villains are the ones we unleash upon ourselves.
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Post by uberwolf on Nov 17, 2006 20:57:59 GMT -5
No question, Ultron. While Kang has shown he's crafty and a diabolical planner, Ultron is the total package. Brain and brawn. When Ultron shows up, Avengers know there's going to be a hard fight.
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Post by jkemble on Nov 17, 2006 21:39:36 GMT -5
I went with Kang because I love time travel / paradox tales, but really Ultron is my favorite because of his family ties to Magneto (before the Scalet Witch / Vision anulment / divorce / seperation.)
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Post by dlw66 on Nov 18, 2006 10:35:44 GMT -5
I'm not sure I've ever looked at it that way -- can you illuminate?
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Post by thew40 on Nov 18, 2006 12:28:04 GMT -5
I'm not sure I've ever looked at it that way -- can you illuminate? I shall assist! Magneto's daughter is the Scarlet Witch. Scarlet Witch married/divorced Vision Vision was created by Ultron In-Laws are are fun, huh? You can really go nuts with this family tree, too. It connects the Inhumans, the X-Men, the Avengers, and even (if you count it) to the original Human Torch. ~W~
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Post by redstatecap on Nov 18, 2006 13:13:38 GMT -5
I shall assist! Magneto's daughter is the Scarlet Witch. Scarlet Witch married/divorced Vision Vision was created by Ultron In-Laws are are fun, huh? You can really go nuts with this family tree, too. It connects the Inhumans, the X-Men, the Avengers, and even (if you count it) to the original Human Torch. ~W~ Ultron wants to shag Jan. Jan had a fling with Magneto.
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Post by dlw66 on Nov 18, 2006 15:44:32 GMT -5
I shall assist! Magneto's daughter is the Scarlet Witch. Scarlet Witch married/divorced Vision Vision was created by Ultron In-Laws are are fun, huh? You can really go nuts with this family tree, too. It connects the Inhumans, the X-Men, the Avengers, and even (if you count it) to the original Human Torch. ~W~ I still wouldn't look at it like that. Ultron is (at least in my mind) associated with the Pyms, not Magneto. And RSC, you're joking about Jan and Magneto, right? Because if you aren't, a) I missed it and b) I'm glad I did!!!
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Post by The Night Phantom on Nov 18, 2006 21:36:46 GMT -5
And RSC, you're joking about Jan and Magneto, right? Because if you aren't, a) I missed it and b) I'm glad I did!!! While Magneto’s prisoner, Jan allowed herself to be romanced by him for strategic reasons in Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars. Although Ultron did not fare so well in that conflict, I chose the adamantium-shelled android in the poll. Secret Wars was one of my early encounters with the Marvel Universe, and I was fascinated by the introduction of Ultron as a robot opposed to all (non-robotic) life. As an actual Avengers foe, he’s had some good stories (as well as the occasional clunker), and I’m sure he can again. His ties to various specific Avengers make his enmity all the more delicious.
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Post by Tana Nile on Nov 18, 2006 21:57:56 GMT -5
For me it comes down to Ultron and Kang, and I gave it to Ultron because of his familial connections to the team. His schemes always caused Pym and Vision a great deal of pain.
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Post by Yellowjacket on Nov 19, 2006 2:37:29 GMT -5
I vote for Kang, because there´s allways the chance (in a story) he´s not characterized "all evil" but can show his eerie sense of honor - that´s what (imho) differs the "big" villains from the "great" ones.
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Post by uberwolf on Nov 19, 2006 8:42:37 GMT -5
But we're talking villains here, in pure ruthlessness Ultron gets an A++. Next thing you know Kang will BE an Avenger. With Ares joining the team, it shows they'll throw just about anybody on nowdays.... except Ultron. Unless they do some future version Legion of Superheroes Braniac 5 thing where Ultron 452 decides humans aren't all that bad.....
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Post by spiderwasp on Nov 19, 2006 9:10:14 GMT -5
But we're talking villains here, in pure ruthlessness Ultron gets an A++. Next thing you know Kang will BE an Avenger. With Ares joining the team, it shows they'll throw just about anybody on nowdays.... except Ultron. Unless they do some future version Legion of Superheroes Braniac 5 thing where Ultron 452 decides humans aren't all that bad..... It's been done. West Coast Avengers had a nice version of Ultron for a little while. He even called Hank Dad. He didn't become a member but if another evil version hadn't come along and destroyed him, he probably would have. Somehow, though, that was more acceptable to me than the idea of Ares. I think because it was an alternate version of the character so he wasn't really responsible for the awful things other Ultrons had done in the past.
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Post by The Night Phantom on Nov 19, 2006 9:44:10 GMT -5
West Coast Avengers had a nice version of Ultron for a little while. He even called Hank Dad. He didn't become a member but if another evil version hadn't come along and destroyed him, he probably would have. Somehow, though, that was more acceptable to me than the idea of Ares. I think because it was an alternate version of the character so he wasn't really responsible for the awful things other Ultrons had done in the past. In a sense, that “what if” scenario is what happened with the Vision: an Ultron spinoff android who transcended the villainy in his Ultron programming and became an Avenger. Englehart’s story about Mark (Ultron Mark Twelve, WCA’s “good” Ultron) is, in a way, the Vision’s introduction revisited as a classic-mold tragedy.
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Post by ozbot on Nov 19, 2006 18:44:55 GMT -5
No love for the Masters of Evil? I always liked the team vs. team aspect of this. Something about that makes for a different battle than just against a lone villain.
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Post by uberwolf on Nov 19, 2006 20:33:59 GMT -5
I really have to dig out my old WCA and read them again
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Post by Shiryu on Nov 20, 2006 3:33:00 GMT -5
I voted for Ultron. Kang is a great strategist and always a major threat, but it's when they go to fight Ultron that the Avengers think, or even expect, they could really die. An interesting thing though is that, in the Ultron Imperative, Hawkeye quite easily destroyed Alkmena 2 with a Vibranium arrow, wonder if this will be used again in the future, it would make getting rid of Ultron much easier for the team.
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Post by Bored Yesterday on Nov 20, 2006 9:00:05 GMT -5
There is one Ultron story that was so bad, that it bummed me out on the character for all time. It was in West Coast Avengers, and he had come up with some way to turn human beings into robots. Iron Man discovered that the cure was to bombard the victims with infra-red light. This reversed the transformation. This story was so hokey and the art so lousy, that I proclaimed it the worst comic ever made and instead of bagging it with the rest of my collection, left it on the dashboard of my car for months before throwing it away.
I know it's unfair to hold that one story against Ultron, but I can't help it.
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Post by ozbot on Nov 20, 2006 10:27:46 GMT -5
Yeah, that story was weird. As a LA native, it was also a bit irksome to have the city itself featured so prominently (with the Rose Parade IIRC) but at the same time so obvious and wrong.
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Post by spiderwasp on Nov 22, 2006 19:42:17 GMT -5
I cast my vote a few days ago for "other" intending it for the Grim Reaper, however, seeing the new preview with returning ninjas, Ihave decided to change my intention. My vote for the greatest enemy of the Avengers is Brian Bendis.
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Post by Doctor Bong on Nov 22, 2006 20:25:28 GMT -5
Yes, the only one who's actually succeeded at destroying them...
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Post by Bored Yesterday on Nov 22, 2006 22:25:17 GMT -5
Did I read someplace on this Board about Bendis bots?
Ok, now how do you take somebody like the Enchantress? She started out as a foe for Thor, but after Thor left the team, she continues to hound the Avengers, bringing in people like Powerman and Hercules to do her bidding. She's a real nag alright.
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Post by dlw66 on Dec 7, 2006 14:30:28 GMT -5
Is there a "one hit wonder" bad guy out there who you really liked and wouldn't mind seeing turn up again in a well-written, historically accurate Avengers tale?
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