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Post by assembler on Jan 20, 2006 19:12:12 GMT -5
ok, I'm a relative n00b to the Avengers mythos, having never read the title until the third volume (which for a number of factors I had to give up again until recently). Anyway, my question is this: I've been trying to research team history a little bit, and it occured to me: Why was Captain Marvel resurrected by the Grim Reaper during Issue 10? Marvel died of natural causes, so how can it be said that the Avengers betrayed him? Furthermore, the resurrection of Dr. Druid makes little sense when I discovered that he was killed after going evil (so I've heard). Wouldn't it have made more sense to use Yellowjacket II, Marrina (both killed BY the Avengers) or Gilgamesh (died while on the team)? From a story stand point, it doesn't make alot of sense (though I suspect in Marvel's case it was a matter of bringing in a big time player for sales purposes). Am I making sense, or does this read as a dumb n00bie post?
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Post by Spider-Man on Jan 20, 2006 22:30:30 GMT -5
you're making since but you have it a bit wrong. Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) died of natural causes BUT he wasn't the character resurrected. Not permanently. That was Wonder Man...
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Post by Shiryu on Jan 21, 2006 10:37:11 GMT -5
I think he is talking about those 5 avengers who came back as zombies for a couple of issues. From the point of view of logic, Gilgamesh would have probably made more sense, but he is not very known, and the same goes for Yellowjacket II and Marrina (who is more often associated with Alpha Flights in the minds of the readers). Marvel instead is a very well know character, and Dr.Druis has a certain reputation for himself too, (so, in the end, yes, it was for sales purposes ;D ). However, probably there is also a power issue in there, since the zombies managed to defeat the heroes, and both Yellowjacket II and Marrina had little power, while Mar Vell and Druir were tougher opponents.
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Post by Spider-Man on Jan 21, 2006 13:22:02 GMT -5
oops, sorry...lol
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Post by asgardian on Jan 21, 2006 22:21:30 GMT -5
Spidey, got your message. That's fine - a bit time poor - but will try and come up with something for you in the near future.
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Post by Van Plexico on Jan 24, 2006 14:46:12 GMT -5
I would also note-- as much as Mar-Vell is today loved and revered by many, now that he's dead, he was never what you'd call a "big-time player" in the Marvel Universe or in the comics racks. He barely kept his own comic afloat for a few years, back when Marvel published a zillion books a month (and a zillion more bi-monthly). Even with Starlin revamping him slightly, his book finally died, just a year or so before he himself did.
Now, I love Marv second only to Iron Man, but I will admit this is all true. He is much better loved by the fans as a "beloved memory and fallen hero" than he ever was as a leading protagonist in his own series. Sadly enough. (And I have a feeling the Vision will end up the same way... Two characters I wish I could have written!)
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Post by assembler on Jan 24, 2006 20:24:54 GMT -5
(And I have a feeling the Vision will end up the same way... Two characters I wish I could have written!) Say it ain't so! What exactly leads you to believe the Vision will stay dead? He's one of the quintessential Avengers (imo).
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Post by Van Plexico on Jan 25, 2006 21:01:19 GMT -5
Well, he's not dead, anymore... sort of. He's back as sort of the "Young Vision," in the pages of (where else?) YOUNG AVENGERS. So I figure he'll probably stay there for a good while. I have no idea if he can exist simultaneously as the consciousness motivating the former Iron Lad armor into being Young Vision, and be a new incarnation of the old Vision we knew and loved. We shall see. And with him in that state, and Wanda in who knows what condition... it's not exactly a great time for that former couple, huh?
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Post by asgardian on Feb 18, 2006 2:58:18 GMT -5
I would also note-- as much as Mar-Vell is today loved and revered by many, now that he's dead, he was never what you'd call a "big-time player" in the Marvel Universe or in the comics racks. He barely kept his own comic afloat for a few years, back when Marvel published a zillion books a month (and a zillion more bi-monthly). Even with Starlin revamping him slightly, his book finally died, just a year or so before he himself did. Now, I love Marv second only to Iron Man, but I will admit this is all true. He is much better loved by the fans as a "beloved memory and fallen hero" than he ever was as a leading protagonist in his own series. Sadly enough. (And I have a feeling the Vision will end up the same way... Two characters I wish I could have written!) You know, there are times when I think you are my long-lost twin. I too loved Mar-vell and actally thought it was exciting when he made one of his rare appearances in another Marvel title. There certainly weren't many - a few panel cameos in Iron Man and Avengers, a Sub-Mariner story, a two part Marvel Team-Up story and a Daredevil appearance. There was some genius in this though as it did make those guest appearances both exotic and exciting. As for the Vision, he definately deserves better. He's a powerhouse and should be written as such. How does a foe cope with someone who phases a hand through the chest while also striking with a diamond-hard fist AND blasting with a solar beam? Sigh.
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Post by Van Plexico on Feb 20, 2006 13:34:06 GMT -5
I have long argued that the last writer to really portray the Vision as the real powerhouse he is (was) was Jim Shooter.
Shooter had the Vision trading blows with Wonder Man, slugging it out with Ultron and Korvac, dropping from a mile in the air to squish Nefaria...
Every writer afterward, it seems to me, focused on "he's the ANDROID Avenger! I must show him doing computer-ish stuff!"
Heck, just show him kicking the crap out of a powerful villain (or teammate, if necessary-- ask Simon!). That's all I wanted.
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Post by Avenging Angel on Mar 21, 2006 0:47:45 GMT -5
Marrina isn`t dead. She was shown in The Master`s HQ during the Kang War during Busiek`s run. Where she is now is anyone`s guess.
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Post by Shiryu on Mar 21, 2006 11:04:32 GMT -5
Considering the quality of Bendis run, she is probably better left dead for the moment, waiting for an happier time
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